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BYE BYE ROY!!!!!

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[quote author=peekay link=topic=42120.msg1204351#msg1204351 date=1287880397]
We shud have recognized the symptoms long time ago. This is the interview he gave in March

"Of course, my track record, if people bothered to study it, would put me in the same category as [Sir Alex] Ferguson enjoys today, but people don't talk about what I've done outside England," he says. "Here, they just talk about Blackburn Rovers, but that's just a very small part of a 26-year career. To most English journalists it's the only part. I've got an excellent track record in Sweden, Switzerland, Italy and in Denmark, where FC Copenhagen was my last job before I went to Udinese. We won the league there by seven points. Admittedly, the fact that I walked out and went to Italy to some extent tarnished that reputation..."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/art-of-being-a-good-manager-doesnt-just-disappear-655164.html
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Sam category as Ginsoak?

HOw many English League titles has h won then?
 
I'm not so worried though.

NESV won't want to see him at the helm for 3 years, which is what will happen i they don't sack him off before the escape clause lapses (assuming the papers are correct about it).
 
I hope you're right, Avvy. The only reason I hesitate is that, unlike the previous owners, they have money at their disposal with which to pay him off later if they decide to give him time now, as they may have been advised to do by those who appointed him.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42120.msg1204795#msg1204795 date=1287934452]
I hope you're right, Avvy. The only reason I hesitate is that, unlike the previous owners, they have money at their disposal with which to pay him off later if they decide to give him time now, as they may have been advised to do by those who appointed him.
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plus, if we win at bolton and draw - or win! - against chelsea then they'll get a massive amount of stick for sacking him. if he shows improved results then i guess they've really got no choice but to stick with the old git.
 
I think to be fair to him Peter, and I am not one of his fans, if we were to win our next two games then he will have deservedly bought himself more time.
Not going to happen though as we will probably lose to Bolton next week.
 
If beating a poor Blackburn side 2-1 is whats keeping him in the job then the standards in this club has fallen way beyond my wildest imaginations.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=42120.msg1204839#msg1204839 date=1287936606]
I think to be fair to him Peter, and I am not one of his fans, if we were to win our next two games then he will have deservedly bought himself more time.
Not going to happen though as we will probably lose to Bolton next week.
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oh yeah, that's what i meant. from now on until we're in the top 8 (at *least*) he's on a rolling 2 game probationary period, because imo as desperately as i want him gone we've got to 'give him a chance' (although he was very lucky to survive the last week, based on his first 8 chances).
 
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42120.msg1204850#msg1204850 date=1287937067]
If beating a poor Blackburn side 2-1 is whats keeping him in the job then the standards in this club has fallen way beyond my wildest imaginations.
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Exactly.

It's not going to have that much impact, is it. We had to win. We did. Job done. Fuck all the long-term implication bollocks. Let's get out of relegation zone and discuss that later down the line.
 
I think it's incredibly short-sighted and thick of our new owners to judge Roy's tenure on the whether he wins or loses the next few games. Win or lose, Hodgson has already given us a very good idea of who he is, what kind of football he plays, and what his goals are. Beating Bolton and Chelsea is not going to change the fact that he's in over his head and will never ever be able to take us to where he need to go: the title. Surely NESV should be able to see this. He's a loser, and he has a loser's mentality, and he's done plenty enough to show that. The game today should change exactly nothing. Give him the sack already!
 
I just read from somewhere that Roy Shitson has hired and put a 68-yearold, Mike Kelly, in charge of first-team coaching. Kelly, who's a former keeper with Wimbledon, Birmingham and QPR from 1958 and 1976, even takes Reina through his routines, to the Spaniard's disquiet.

Please end this embarrassment of epic proportions.

Sack him already.
 
If we keep winning, it'll be great, because you know, we're winning and not contemplating relegation.

He's going to be sacked regardless.
 
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=42120.msg1204878#msg1204878 date=1287938046]
I just read from somewhere that Roy Shitson has hired and put a 68-yearold, Mike Kelly, in charge of first-team coaching. Kelly, who's a former keeper with Wimbledon, Birmingham and QPR from 1958 and 1976, even takes Reina through his routines, to the Spaniard's disquiet.
Please end this embarrassment of epic proportions.Sack him already.
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the bit on the keeper coach just sounds sad.
 
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=42120.msg1204867#msg1204867 date=1287937682]
I think it's incredibly short-sighted and thick of our new owners to judge Roy's tenure on the whether he wins or loses the next few games. Win or lose, Hodgson has already given us a very good idea of who he is, what kind of football he plays, and what his goals are. Beating Bolton and Chelsea is not going to change the fact that he's in over his head and will never ever be able to take us to where he need to go: the title. Surely NESV should be able to see this. He's a loser, and he has a loser's mentality, and he's done plenty enough to show that. The game today should change exactly nothing. Give him the sack already!
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Agreed. I also hope they've noted the fact that he's gradually turned into a gibbering mogwai with the media as the pressure's mounted. Do they really want a manager who has that much difficulty dealing with pressure if, by some miracle, we do manage to get back among the big boys before he goes?
 
I'm of the opinion roy will get a season, why?

1. we are in the relagation zone and roy is still here.
the owners have the excuse of being new to the club and wanting their own man and the manager being spectacularly shit, yet the manager is still in a job.

2. the owners only have to give roy a years wages if removed by november.
if it's a case of money the owners would have got rid, and longer and it will cost them three times as much to get rid.

3. the janaury transfer window.
a new manager would need at least a month (maybe longer) to look over the squad and identify which areas need to be strengthened. yet still the old manager is in place.

I think the owners are going to give roy a decent transfer kitty in jan and see how he does for the rest of the year.
the bottom line is the owners have all the excuses in the world to get rid but roy is still here so what other conclusion can you draw other than they don't want to get rid?
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42120.msg1204896#msg1204896 date=1287939099]
If we keep winning, it'll be great, because you know, we're winning and not contemplating relegation.

He's going to be sacked regardless.
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That doesn't make too much sense. If we keep winning, he won't be sacked. And technically, there shouldn't be a reason to sack him if we 'keep' winning. But it won't happen which is why we need to sack him now.
 
The owners have 3 more weeks before the 1 year salary pay off is off the table, so there is plenty of time to sack him.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42120.msg1204928#msg1204928 date=1287941168]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42120.msg1204896#msg1204896 date=1287939099]
If we keep winning, it'll be great, because you know, we're winning and not contemplating relegation.

He's going to be sacked regardless.
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That doesn't make too much sense. If we keep winning, he won't be sacked. And technically, there shouldn't be a reason to sack him if we 'keep' winning. But it won't happen which is why we need to sack him now.
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Yea, for goodness sake Farky.
Don't you know that if we keep winning we will end up winning the Premiership and that would mean that we are stuck with Roy for at least another season.
And if he repeated the trick next season god knows how long he would remain our manager and some mentalist internet forum would probably think he is the next best thing to Shankley.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42120.msg1204928#msg1204928 date=1287941168]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42120.msg1204896#msg1204896 date=1287939099]
If we keep winning, it'll be great, because you know, we're winning and not contemplating relegation.

He's going to be sacked regardless.
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That doesn't make too much sense. If we keep winning, he won't be sacked. And technically, there shouldn't be a reason to sack him if we 'keep' winning. But it won't happen which is why we need to sack him now.
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That's just bizarre.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42120.msg1204943#msg1204943 date=1287942131]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42120.msg1204928#msg1204928 date=1287941168]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42120.msg1204896#msg1204896 date=1287939099]
If we keep winning, it'll be great, because you know, we're winning and not contemplating relegation.

He's going to be sacked regardless.
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That doesn't make too much sense. If we keep winning, he won't be sacked. And technically, there shouldn't be a reason to sack him if we 'keep' winning. But it won't happen which is why we need to sack him now.
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That's just bizarre.
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Why is it bizarre?
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42120.msg1204943#msg1204943 date=1287942131]
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42120.msg1204928#msg1204928 date=1287941168]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42120.msg1204896#msg1204896 date=1287939099]
If we keep winning, it'll be great, because you know, we're winning and not contemplating relegation.

He's going to be sacked regardless.
[/quote]

That doesn't make too much sense. If we keep winning, he won't be sacked. And technically, there shouldn't be a reason to sack him if we 'keep' winning. But it won't happen which is why we need to sack him now.
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That's just bizarre.
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It's not,really.

The danger is that if he keeps winning for a while, he'll be kept on.

But he's probably managed one good performance in 10, and it's very likely that if he's kept on it'll all turn to shit very soon.

My guess is that the new owners think the same way; Hodgson has shown nothing to indicate he deserves t be retained; and he's managed to repeat all the mistakes of his predecessor with none of his successes.

The only possible reason why he'll be kept on is that the owener are afraid that sacking him would alienate the supporters or the management and that it would just add to a chaotic situation.

But if the owners have been paying attention, I think the risk of that is low.
 
If we keep on winning he'll be judged in January or at the end of the season.

I think it's bizarre that people are fearful of winning football matches when we're in the bottom three. It's not difficult to get your head around.
 
Hodgson needs to win a fair amount of games to prove to everyone he's not entirely useless.

Then he'd need to win even more to prove to everyone that he's more than just a convenient, malleable choice made out of neccesity.

I hope he does the first, and pulls us to safety, because otherwise the next manager will come in to a ridiculous pressure cooker.

I hope he does the second too, because it'd be great to win a lot. I think it's pretty unrealistic to expect he will. This is why I think he'll be sacked regardless.
 
I don't think the owners will act before everything is in place re the board. When we sack Hodgson, the next appointment has to be the right one. We can't fuck up again. But it will happen before the deadline in November. That I'm certain of.

Our next 6 league games, there are 4 away. And we all know good Roy are at getting 3 points on the road.
 
He's got to go regardless of form or if he suddenly goes on a massive winning streak, which he won't.

He can't handle the pressure, he's upsetting a lot of our best players while seemingly welcoming bids for said players from our main rivals. He's such a negative, defeatist loser too. He'll drag us down to his level if he's here much longer.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42120.msg1204970#msg1204970 date=1287943811]
If we keep on winning he'll be judged in January or at the end of the season.

I think it's bizarre that people are fearful of winning football matches when we're in the bottom three. It's not difficult to get your head around.
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While I can't bring myself actually to hope we lose at any time, I don't agree that it's bizarre either. Those who feel that way take the view, rightly IMO, that keeping Roy on for any length of time will ultimately do more damage than losing a couple more games.
 
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