Bye bye Jude

[Hyena]

I do wonder if Moore, Ward et al had quit because Klopp insisted on buying Jude at the expense of others in seasons past, and Klopp is now realising his mistake.

 

[tomasjj]

Pep is now the de facto director of football.

Just deal with it.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

There are two possible explanations for keeping those players and praising them so extravagantly. One is that Klopp's football insight has suddenly fallen off a cliff and he'd have made the same choices whatever the circs. The other is that he's been backed into a corner by an over-restrictive financial strategy and had to make the best of it, on the field in terms of squad selection and off it when making public statements. Given his record, I know which I think is the more credible.

See, this is why experience trumps knowledge always. Young uns are too eager to jump onto every clickbait bandwagon and believe every narrative that's being spun. Where as, the wiser, older ones, they observe and engage their brains first.

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

We'll get what we saw after Rafa left that's what we'll get.

Grim times ahead my friend, strap yourself in because this is the end of the road.

Can you please go and get serious help ?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

I do wonder if Moore, Ward et al had quit because Klopp insisted on buying Jude at the expense of others in seasons past, and Klopp is now realising his mistake.

oh ffs.

 

[Farkmaster]

Klopp has clearly wanted to get rid of players, but valuations weren't met. You think he wanted ox and keita to still be here? Based on what?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

The depreciation of rubbish.

 

[tomasjj]

Reporter arseface: But will you be signing the new we need midfielders this window?

Klopp: "I have 8 midfielders!"
Lists names....
x
x
x

"Now you tell me which midfielder we need!"

That was a fuck up, and he has owned up to it.
I just cannot read this into some kind of maintaining squad harmony or player value context, even if it makes sense.
Sometimes things don't make sense.

 

[binomial]

Can you please go and get serious help ?

No I'm comfortable ta.

If you're not, then get fucked?

 

[My_Blood_Bleeds_Red]

No I'm comfortable ta.

If you're not, then get fucked?

Listen to yourself mate.

 

[binomial]

Listen to yourself mate.

Says the 1 replying to me, jog on and find someone else to pester if you don't like what someone says.

 

[Markeh]

Any truth to the journalist saying we bid £84m for him before pulling out?

If so that’s a laughable offer and situation. We forgo a couple of transfer windows worth of midfielders to make an offer that my Nan could tell you isn’t competitive.

 

[binomial]

The club's a state.

Seeing everything through their eyes only and not putting themselves in the other clubs position.

 

[Modo]

Klopp has clearly wanted to get rid of players, but valuations weren't met. You think he wanted ox and keita to still be here? Based on what?

Well let's lower our fucking valuation, just get rid.
If we're a club that's strapped for cash and have to wheel and deal in the market, why the fuck are we letting players go for free?
Gini, Origi, Moreno, Can am I forgetting someone? Maybe Lallana too, who he kept around like a mascot.

And if you're able to sell Dele Alli, you're able to sell Ox. We even gave Ox a new contract, what the hell was that all about?
Klopp has no problem selling players he himself wasn't involved in buying.
But players he bought? I can't think of one who didn't actually want to leave himself.
Who is forcing Klopp to keep non-performing players?

 

[Hyena]

Any truth to the journalist saying we bid £84m for him before pulling out?

If so that’s a laughable offer and situation. We forgo a couple of transfer windows worth of midfielders to make an offer that my Nan could tell you isn’t competitive.

That's like pulling out before getting it in.

Extremely responsible behaviour

 

[peekay]

Reporter arseface: But will you be signing the new we need midfielders this window?

Klopp: "I have 8 midfielders!"
Lists names....
x
x
x

"Now you tell me which midfielder we need!"

That was a fuck up, and he has owned up to it.
I just cannot read this into some kind of maintaining squad harmony or player value context, even if it makes sense.
Sometimes things don't make sense.

That is Klopp protecting his players in the press as i) if he sold Ox and Keita, there is no guarantee there will be money to replace them, (ii) and the midfielder he wanted was not available also. He knows that Ox is finished at the highest level. He is not Conte or Mourinho to run the roadroller on his players in the press. A big part of his ethos is community and working together and he is doing that.

 

[MomoWASright]

We’ve always spent money we’ve earned in some shape or form. That is either transfers or wages. The money isn’t siphoned off somewhere else.

 

[binomial]

Well the money we spend is clearly not enough for a club that aims to compete at the top season in season out is it.

 

[MomoWASright]

What’s the alternative to spending our money other than cheating?

 

[binomial]

Spend more of our money.

This sustainable BS model will be highly regrettable once we fall further behind.

 

[MomoWASright]

We spend our money!

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Spend other people's money!

 

[binomial]

Spend other people's money!

Can we spend Arab money without them being affiliated to the club in any way?

 

[tomasjj]

That is Klopp protecting his players in the press as i) if he sold Ox and Keita, there is no guarantee there will be money to replace them, (ii) and the midfielder he wanted was not available also. He knows that Ox is finished at the highest level. He is not Conte or Mourinho to run the roadroller on his players in the press. A big part of his ethos is community and working together and he is doing that.

I get that to a degree, but then he came back and said the press was right....

 

[rurikbird]

I get that to a degree, but then he came back and said the press was right....

When did he say that? I might have missed it.

 

[tomasjj]

When did he say that? I might have missed it.

I don't recall. But he said straight out that they were right and he was wrong in a presser.

 

[King Binny]

There are two possible explanations for keeping those players and praising them so extravagantly. One is that Klopp's football insight has suddenly fallen off a cliff and he'd have made the same choices whatever the circs. The other is that he's been backed into a corner by an over-restrictive financial strategy and had to make the best of it, on the field in terms of squad selection and off it when making public statements. Given his record, I know which I think is the more credible.

It all kind of makes sense now. The people leaving like Ward and co.

I can't help thinking that the lack of resources relative to the competition means that everyone has to work so hard - from backroom staff to players, to make up this gap with smarts, and perfect moves, and amazingness on the field, that eventually it falls apart.

Ditto. Would Klopp have signed his contract extension last April if he saw these coming? He obviously knew he will need to rejuvenate the squad and was up for the challenge. Won't be surprised if promises made weren't fulfilled - so, while he's "lucky" to be in the job after the season we have had, the same can probably be said of FSG/the club that he hasn't thrown his toys out of the pram ala Benitez/Conte.

The transfer deadline rush for centre back and midfielder suggested that restrictions were finally eased.

Dated Oct 2022 (after finishing 3 of the past 4 seasons with more than 90 pts):
"“That (Champions League qualification) is always our goal at the beginning of the season,” Hogan told SportBILD." -- reflective and fair from the way they manage our/their finance.

 

[tombrown]

Does anyone on here actually enjoy being a Liverpool fan? You all seem to be such a miserable bunch of fuckwits - maybe happy when we are winning, but even then pointing out doom lies around the corner, as miserable as fuck when things aren't good. How the hell have you survived the last 30 odd years?

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

 

[LarryHagman]

I get that people are calling Klopp out for his pre-season comments on our midfield. But when he's given no money and has to work with these players, what's he going to say "they're shit and we have to make do". That's something Maureen would say, Klopp is better than that.