Yeah it's a bullshit system, especially with some guys on it who know next to nothing about football.
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Yeah it's a bullshit system, especially with some guys on it who know next to nothing about football.
That isnt the problem with it.
The one who should know most about football is always the weakness in the system.
The guy who though Balotelli could be a 50 million talent can't know anything about football.
The guy who had the final say was Rodgers.
Like managers have negligible impact, as it's just down to buying the right players. But managers, the ones with the most knowledge about football are "always" the weakness when it comes to buying players.
Ergo, they are ineligible for credit anywhere in your barmy, fruitcake theory.
Good clubs don't let managers buy players. Because ?
And no they can get credit, but they also get blame too. And the majority of them deserve as much of one as they do of the other - so it balances out - ergo their impact is most often minimal.
Thats based on a statistical study of all Premier League managers for 20 years. 2 had a positive impact when you controlled for all other factors.
It's quite obvious that Balotelli was a "him or nothing" Hobson's Choice signing, and I don't blame Rodgers for it at all.
How exactly did this statistical analysis manage to do that? I'd be very interested to see how they built that kind of model.
Loads of our signings are like that. And we'd have been better getting nothing each time.
In a way i don't blame someone with their job on the line for getting something instead of nothing - but thats exactly why they shouldn't be making the decision
I'm astounded that people are slating him like they are. While I do think it was the correct decision to sack him, he doesn't deserve any abuse. He did his best for us. He gave us the best season we had in years. It was no secret that he didn't have the final say on transfers. Fuck all the haters. I still have a lot of respect for the guy.
Job on the line? At the point of his LFC career when that choice was offered, he'd signed a new contract and just come within a few points of winning the title. He was at his strongest position ever as manager, why didn't he just say no? I wonder if part of it was ego. It just seems so incredibly stupid, and EVERYONE involved in bringing that cunt to Anfield should have been sacked.
Do managers consider the long term future of their clubs any more? Wenger is the only one that springs to mind. He had/has the advantage of knowing his position at his club was/is safe. He could bypass windows if the right player wasn't available and would always look to build for the future. Rafa thought long term with us with the over haul of the youth team but managers don't seem to care these days. Many aren't afforded the opportunity in fairness. Results are demanded instantly and players are often bought for a quick fix.
I agree that transfers should be made with the clubs best interests and not at the whim of a manager who needs player x now but he himself could be gone in 6 months. I suppose an ideal scenario is having club and manager working in perfect harmony targeting the right profile of player. We endured a horrible period there when the committee and manager seemed to be targeting different players and we were left with an unbalanced side.
In hindsight the Balotelli deal was a disaster but there was plenty on here willing to roll the dice. Rodgers didn't initially want him it seems and he gave up on Mario almost straight away. As did Gerrard it seems with his comments in the media. Balotelli's time here was up so we were left with nothing as he was our committee gamble. What a shambles.
I agree that transfers should be made with the clubs best interests and not at the whim of a manager who needs player x now but he himself could be gone in 6 months. I suppose an ideal scenario is having club and manager working in perfect harmony targeting the right profile of player. We endured a horrible period there when the committee and manager seemed to be targeting different players and we were left with an unbalanced side.
In hindsight the Balotelli deal was a disaster but there was plenty on here willing to roll the dice. Rodgers didn't initially want him it seems and he gave up on Mario almost straight away. As did Gerrard it seems with his comments in the media. Balotelli's time here was up so we were left with nothing as he was our committee gamble. What a shambles.
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It does seem really weird that he was allowed to bring in "his" desired signings only if they appeared on the shortlist that the TC provided. It's supposed to make the decision-making process more collaborative and less likely to be dictated by one person's opinion, but allied with FSG's ill-defined strategy and policy, it left us with one of the weirdest and most lop-sided squads we've ever had.
And when you hear that we lost out on Delle Ali because FSG thought he only merited a youth salary of £4,ooo, you have to question the entire structure and ownership input of the club.
[article]Former Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has recalled how 'frustrating and disappointing' it was that the club failed to sign Dele Alli despite prolonged negotiations with the player, with Tottenham clinching his bargain £5million signing from MK Dons.
However, it is understood Liverpool's American owners regarded Alli, quickly emerging as one of the stand-out stars in the Premier League, to be just a promising Under-21 prospect and were going to pay him accordingly — about £4,000 a week.
Alli, still only 19, instead joined Spurs in January 2015 before heading back to MK Dons for the remainder of last season and helping them to win promotion to the Championship. [/article]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...g-American-owners-pay-21-wage-4-000-week.html
However, it is understood Liverpool's American owners regarded Alli, quickly emerging as one of the stand-out stars in the Premier League, to be just a promising Under-21 prospect and were going to pay him accordingly — about £4,000 a week.
Alli, still only 19, instead joined Spurs in January 2015 before heading back to MK Dons for the remainder of last season and helping them to win promotion to the Championship. [/article]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...g-American-owners-pay-21-wage-4-000-week.html
I didn't care what he had to say when he was our manager. I certainly don't now he isn't. Slippery fuck.
Pretty shocking stuff mind.
yup, and the policy of only buying a young player means we've seen the back of sterling, suarez, and gerrard with no like replacements. I mean Gerrard's departure could have been forseen back in 2011. Shocking there was no plan in place to replace like with something remotely similar. Jordan fecking Henderson is no Stevie G.
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It's a policy that's even more muddled when you reflect on the fact that FSG gave Brendan pretty much a free hand to revamp the Academy set up - personnel, coaching and management policies, scouting and hierarchy. So he had more power over the long term than he did over the short term.
To be fair it's pretty difficult to find a like-for-like replacement for players like Stevie or Luis. In fact it's pretty impossible.
You need a different approach for example when Dalglish and Rush were entering their twilight years we bought in Barnes and Beardsley. Those 4 players are very different.
Knowing a lot about football does not per definition make you good at identifying quality players.
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