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Brighton v Liverpool Match Thread

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I don't quite know how Chris Hughton, journeyman player, journeyman manager, suddenly got redescribed as a paragon of decency, kindness and socialism, but it's laughable. Apparently he refused to shake Klopp's hand at FT, AND gave him a lecture, because he felt Klopp celebrated 'offensively' when we scored. Someone should take that impersonation of a vertical cigarette and give him a slap, the daft twat.


It's daft. The common trend for our opponents is to simply set their team up with no attacking intent and to waste time and turn the beautiful game into a fucking eyesore slugfest. Sure, we are to blame by gifting too many points when teams have used this approach. I am delighted that we dismantled these shits as they were at home and were set up negatively from the first minute.

This idea that we embarrassed them and showed no humility is pathetic. We need to make an example of teams that do this as its the only way to stop it from occurring every week. The media should take pot shots at teams that play anti football... not those that try and make it exciting to watch.
 
I've always tried to like Wijnaldum but sometimes it's hard. He clearly has talent.. but it's rare that we get to see it on a consistent basis. He was shockingly shite against Brighton. I'll forgive the poor positioning and inconsistent defensive marking and tracking back because he isn't a defender. The areas where he should have impressed : composure, passing, and vision was where he struggled most. I've never noticed him being so one footed before and he looked so uncomfortable. His passing was rubbish, putting his team mates under pressure, missing them completely or unnecessarily slowing the play down.

Can actually looked comfortable in a back 3 but I hate seeing him start.. knowing he has been chatting to Juve for the last 6+ months really pisses me off.
 
Really? He showed a couple of times on the overlap that he's pacier than some seem to think, his crossing accuracy is much superior to Moreno's, and defensively he held his position better than Moreno did or does. And seeing as he came in with very little game time, he interacted with his teammates very well. Moreno damn well SHOULD be worried.

In any case it's unfair to compare a player in a run of good form and rhythm (Moreno) to someone who has started his first game in a month. Robertson might have looked a little tentative (or conservative, depending on your interpretation), but I still saw some things that will make him overall a better player than Moreno:
  1. A better cross – more curved than Moreno's hence harder to intercept
  2. More comfortable cutting inside, he's equally rapid, but doesn't always run in a straight line
  3. Potentially a better defender – not enough info on that front yet, but then again the bar is not exactly set impossibly high by our current starting LB
  4. So far no history of collapsing against Sevilla
 
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Ahh, well under those circumstances, and if you select the correct game and circumstance, he's obviously fucking hopeless isn't he? Flabbiest meltiest forward in the league.

You can have all the fun you want at Brendan's expense now – but you know it only sets you up for a crushing heap of sarcasm whenever Firmino goes without scoring (in the league, of course) for a couple of games. When that happens, you'll all be shamed as you deserve!
 
You can have all the fun you want at Brendan's expense now – but you know it only sets you up for a crushing heap of sarcasm whenever Firmino goes without scoring (in the league, of course) for a couple of games. When that happens, you'll all be shamed as you deserve!

I'm very confused by this Firmino kerfuffle.

Is there some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? He's scored, following Saturday's purple patch of finishing prowess, 5 (that's FIVE) league goals all season.

99% of the hilarious debates about Firmino - all of which I win comfortably - are about how Champions have at least one - often two - players who scores 15-20 league goals.

Is five supposed to be good? Laudable? He scored 10 Premier league goals in his first season. After that, he was hilariously predicted to score "15-20" by a whole host of jabbering fuckwits. And scored 11 last season. He will score about the same this season.

He doesn't score enough goals, I thought everyone knew and accepted this now? It's not exactly a fucking mystery.
 
In any case it's unfair to compare a player in a run of good form and rhythm (Moreno) to someone who has started his first game in a month. Robertson might have looked a little tentative (or conservative, depending on your interpretation), but I still saw some things that will make him overall a better player than Moreno:
  1. A better cross – more curved than Moreno's hence harder to intercept
  2. More comfortable cutting inside, he's equally rapid, but doesn't always run in a straight line
  3. Potentially a better defender – not enough info on that front yet, but then again the bar is not exactly set impossibly high by our current starting LB
  4. So far no history of collapsing against Sevilla
On a slight and potentially hyperbolic tangent, in Robertson and TAA we have two of the best full backs at crossing the ball in the league, it's a really potent weapon we should look to exploit. Firmino gets rightfully knocked for his inability to finish, but I actually think his a pretty good finisher with his head, I could see him scoring quite a few if TAA and Robertson started consistently.
 
You can have all the fun you want at Brendan's expense now – but you know it only sets you up for a crushing heap of sarcasm whenever Firmino goes without scoring (in the league, of course) for a couple of games. When that happens, you'll all be shamed as you deserve!

Its still very funny though. Its like the one man still standing on a street corner, screaming to everyone that the Earth is flat. Refusing to accept everything else.
 
I'm very confused by this Firmino kerfuffle.

Is there some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? He's scored, following Saturday's purple patch of finishing prowess, 5 (that's FIVE) league goals all season.

99% of the hilarious debates about Firmino - all of which I win comfortably - are about how Champions have at least one - often two - players who scores 15-20 league goals.

Is five supposed to be good? Laudable? He scored 10 Premier league goals in his first season. After that, he was hilariously predicted to score "15-20" by a whole host of jabbering fuckwits. And scored 11 last season. He will score about the same this season.

He doesn't score enough goals, I thought everyone knew and accepted this now? It's not exactly a fucking mystery.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that Firmino's role in our team is NOT primarily that of a "finisher"? He's a 2nd striker/#10 by trade and scores plenty for that role, but most of his good work is in creating opportunities for teammates – he's obviously a very different beast from someone like Kane or Michael Owen or whatever. This is a man who can't even decide on a goal celebration – it looks like every time he improvises it in the moment (and they are all equally shit). No "true" #9 would mess with celebrations like that because most "serial" scorers are highly boring and consistent individuals, not free spirits like Firmino. Appreciate him for what he is and stop judging him for what he's not.
 
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I'm very confused by this Firmino kerfuffle.

Is there some kind of cognitive dissonance going on? He's scored, following Saturday's purple patch of finishing prowess, 5 (that's FIVE) league goals all season.

99% of the hilarious debates about Firmino - all of which I win comfortably - are about how Champions have at least one - often two - players who scores 15-20 league goals.

Is five supposed to be good? Laudable? He scored 10 Premier league goals in his first season. After that, he was hilariously predicted to score "15-20" by a whole host of jabbering fuckwits. And scored 11 last season. He will score about the same this season.

He doesn't score enough goals, I thought everyone knew and accepted this now? It's not exactly a fucking mystery.

I think you should dedicate more time to writing about Firmino.
 
How remiss. I failed to supply my ever-popular ratings, although I did have other things to do on Saturday afternoon. Overall, I think we can all agree it was a great result and a very good display. There was a bit of consternation about the line-up, with various illness and injury causing the defence to be decimated and a very unfamiliar looking back three - or was it five?

But after an insipid opening, and some wobbly moments, Liverpool came to life, and simply destroyed the opposition with a display of such pace, verve and invention that Brighton, despite a decent effort after half time to try and fight back, eventually succumbed totally.

Anyway, here are those ratings!

Mignolet (7) Made a point-blank stop from Whelan that even De Gea would have been proud of. His kicking was reliably awful, with one or two efforts that fucking Tiny Tim would have been embarrassed about.

TAA (7) Mugged off once or twice as Brighton pushed forward, but produced a few lovely crosses, and more importantly kept his head defensively, and that late block was brilliant.

Lovren (8) Excellent in his last game, and very good again on Saturday. It's so frustrating that he isn't good enough to keep this level of consistency. Solid, calm and made some great tackles and clearances.

Can (8) Was aware of danger, passed simply and accurately, and scored a thumping header. Can't ask for more really.

Wijnaldum (7) He's not really used to playing at CB, as he admitted himself, but he was actually rather decent. One or two moments of indecision, but he also produced a great block tackle and can be quite pleased.

Robertson (7) Busy and intelligent display, without any unwelcome histrionics or fireworks. Less eye-catching than Moreno or TAA perhaps, but still put in a few nice crosses, and was largely untroubled.

Milner (7) HMS Indefatigable. Never stopped working, moving and always ensured there was an out pass for his team-mates when we had possession, and then strangled the space and time Brighton had when they were in possession. Invaluable effort and workrate.

Henderson (6) Did a job with Milner that was perhaps more appreciated by his team-mates than the watching fans. Still looks as if he's not physically quite right, and some of his passing was sloppy, but cannot fault his effort.

Salah (7) Boooo! How dare he not score or be totally amazing! He did scare the pants off Brighton anyway, and his electrifying break and calm pass helped create Firmino's goal. What a player, even when not at his very best.

Firmino (9) Wasted an easy headed chance early on, but then took Brighton apart with the help of Coutinho. Slotted an easy first goal from Coutinho, then scored a fine second after a great counter-attack, so he almost doubled his league tally for the season in one game! Super, inventive, skilful and hard-working display and it was great to see him finally adding goals after only managing three in his previous 13 league games. Hopefully he can quickly build on his 5 so far and beat last season's total of 11.

Coutinho (9) Brighton seemed hypnotised by Coutinho, and he was able to play football at his own pace, on his own terms, with nobody able to read or react in time to the samba spells he was casting all over the pitch. Involved in everything, scored a clever, impudent freekick and a creative force that destroyed Brighton utterly.
 
Why is it so hard for you to understand that Firmino's role in our team is NOT primarily that of a "finisher"? He's a 2nd striker/#10 by trade and scores plenty for that role, but most of his good work is in creating opportunities for teammates – he's obviously a very different beast from someone like Kane or Michael Owen or whatever. This is a man who can't even decide on a goal celebration – it looks like every time he improvises it in the moment (and they are all equally shit). No "true" #9 would mess with celebrations like that because most "serial" scorers are highly boring and consistent individuals, not free spirits like Firmino. Appreciate him for what he is and stop judging him for what he's not.

Eh? I've never judged him for what he isn't. I've been very obviously aware of his qualities and shortcomings as a striker from the start.

It's been every other spastic who has been pretending that he's a good finisher and making hilarious predictions about how many he will score, that make me laugh
 
I think he prefers having a striker that creates fuck all but scores goals.
Should that happen, he won’t have a clue why we won’t have as many opportunities to score and why our other players score less.
Every single one of us would love a goal scorer that also did what Firmino does. But right now we don’t have one nor the pulling power to bring in a world class striker. So we’re happy with what Firmino provides, and how the team plays with his presence. He just doesn’t seem to get that.
Just a boring Modo-esque loop of ‘he’s shit’.
 
I think he prefers having a striker that creates fuck all but scores goals.
Should that happen, he won’t have a clue why we won’t have as many opportunities to score and why our other players score less.
Every single one of us would love a goal scorer that also did what Firmino does. But right now we don’t have one nor the pulling power to bring in a world class striker. So we’re happy with what Firmino provides, and how the team plays with his presence. He just doesn’t seem to get that.
Just a boring Modo-esque loop of ‘he’s shit’.

I gave him 9/10 in my ratings, you delirious fuckwit
 
Wow, you read that and think it’s delirious.
Hmm. Can ‘delirious’ be used to describe the state of mind of a Liverpool born, Liverpool FC ‘supporter’ to be happily employed by The Lying Rag for well over a decade? Or is that just a fuckwit?
 
In any case it's unfair to compare a player in a run of good form and rhythm (Moreno) to someone who has started his first game in a month. Robertson might have looked a little tentative (or conservative, depending on your interpretation), but I still saw some things that will make him overall a better player than Moreno:
  1. A better cross – more curved than Moreno's hence harder to intercept
  2. More comfortable cutting inside, he's equally rapid, but doesn't always run in a straight line
  3. Potentially a better defender – not enough info on that front yet, but then again the bar is not exactly set impossibly high by our current starting LB
  4. So far no history of collapsing against Sevilla

One other thing about Robertson: he's revived the great Scottish LFC tradition of sporting legs so white they surely haven't seen sunshine, or good nutrition, ever. You can spot that it's him from right at the back of the stands. It's like seeing two Tippex brushes flying down the line.
 
On a slight and potentially hyperbolic tangent, in Robertson and TAA we have two of the best full backs at crossing the ball in the league, it's a really potent weapon we should look to exploit. Firmino gets rightfully knocked for his inability to finish, but I actually think his a pretty good finisher with his head, I could see him scoring quite a few if TAA and Robertson started consistently.

Wtf actual fuck?

No we Fucking don't.

Behave.
 
[article]Lovren (8) Excellent in his last game, and very good again on Saturday. It's so frustrating that he isn't good enough to keep this level of consistency. Solid, calm and made some great tackles and clearances.[/article]

So frustrating ... this is the reason why Lovren will never be a great CB for us ...
 
Wow, you read that and think it’s delirious.
Hmm. Can ‘delirious’ be used to describe the state of mind of a Liverpool born, Liverpool FC ‘supporter’ to be happily employed by The Lying Rag for well over a decade? Or is that just a fuckwit?

Oh wow. State of this.
 
Well, I'm not sure if there's some kind of OPTA stat league table, or "Ace Crosses Index", but they do both seem to be quite good at it. TAA has slung over some really lovely deliveries this season

I dunno I might try and rely on a stat like converted chances or crosses that led to a shot on goal.

Neither player has played enough to even be considered in that bracket yet.

Hopefully they get there but to say it now is laughable.
 
I dunno I might try and rely on a stat like converted chances or crosses that led to a shot on goal.

Neither player has played enough to even be considered in that bracket yet.

Hopefully they get there but to say it now is laughable.

Yeah, a bit early for such statements, but they certainly seem to be pretty good at it so far.
 
Make another prediction Hansern!

15 league goals? 20? OOOOOH, maybe even 25?

My prediction wont change the fact about how good he is, or how important he is to our team and that you've painted yourself into a corner with this topic.

Firmino has 11 goals in 22 games when we write the first week in December. Thats very good.
 
Firmino (9) Wasted an easy headed chance early on, but then took Brighton apart with the help of Coutinho. Slotted an easy first goal from Coutinho, then scored a fine second after a great counter-attack, so he almost doubled his league tally for the season in one game! Super, inventive, skilful and hard-working display and it was great to see him finally adding goals after only managing three in his previous 13 league games. Hopefully he can quickly build on his 5 so far and beat last season's total of 11.

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As usual you'r wrong. He lacked 50% on yesterdays brace to increase the season total With 100%. That's quite a demand, even towards Sir Bobby!!😉
 
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Discarded CGI-experiment Garth Crooks has waddled into the handshake-gate row with his usual toad-like pomposity, averring:

'Losing 5-1 is no fun, especially when Reds manager Jurgen Klopp is fist-pumping every goal and celebrating with his staff like it's the final of the Champions League. I understand the importance of winning, but this was Brighton.

'What I do take exception to is any manager being kept waiting to shake hands once a game has finished, while his opposite number finishes hugging and kissing his players and staff in celebration of their victory. "



How this bug-eyed ball of confusion still gets work is beyond me.
 
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