Big D vs Twitter

[Athens]

I still love how these dicks use machines to count the votes. What's the problem with getting a load of students in to count the paper ones like they do here? It's all done quickly enough.

When I was studying in the States one of my American friends was laughing at our Russian friend when he said they vote using a pencil and paper. I said we do the same thing and haven't had any issues with hanging chads. This was just after the whole Bush election and the arguments over whether the machine had punched a hole in the paper properly.

 

[dantes]

Who’s Julia, and is she likely to be biased in any way towards what she’s “reporting”?

She is someone who read something, and then typed out what she read, so that others could save time by reading the snippet. As long as she graduated from kindergarten then it is safe to assume she is capable of reading and writing.

 

[Rosco]

Who’s Julia, and is she likely to be biased in any way towards what she’s “reporting”?

Stevie do I need to explain to you that she took a quote from the Cyber Ninjas report and tweeted it at Maricopa county, whose answer is where the information is. If only we could buy you a second brain cell you could see the issue in their explanation.

 

[StevieM]

I don't think the report is perfect, so I don't have to stand over every little thing it.

That's how critical thinking works.

When there are explanations for the odd goings on with servers being wiped and the duplicate ballots and other potentially fraudulent ballots then we'll be in a position to determine whether the election was stolen.

But until then there is still evidence that suggests there was fraud that needs further investigation - and that's despite all the claims of there being no evidence from the media outlets that continuously pull the wool over your eyes.

There are explanations for the server, the “duplicate” ballots and other “potentially” fraudulent ballots - you just ignore them.

 

[StevieM]

Stevie do I need to explain to you that she took a quote from the Cyber Ninjas report and tweeted it at Maricopa county, whose answer is where the information is. If only we could buy you a second brain cell you could see the issue in their explanation.

Do I need to explain why the Cyber Ninja claim is a bit misleading?

 

[StevieM]

This is the debunking explanation for the missing data. The auditor subpoena'd the server. They had to hand it over on the 3rd of Feb. So the night before, on the 2nd, the election officials backed stuff up to another server, then erased data off the server they handed over. Their explanation is this is just normal practice, it's their fault they didn't subpoena the drive we backed everything up onto the night before, they're dumb, not our problem.

I cannot imagine how stupid you have to be, to not instantly conclude from that without a fucking shadow of a doubt that they were concealing election fraud. Much less believe anything the people who did this tell you afterwards.

You know the “audit” that started on the 3rd Feb wasn’t the Cyber Ninjas audit don’t you?

 

[dantes]

You know the “audit” that started on the 3rd Feb wasn’t the Cyber Ninjas audit don’t you?

No. That doesn't help the election officials look any less guilty, and it doesn't make cyber ninjas any dumber because the previous audits never mentioned it.

 

[StevieM]

No. That doesn't help the election officials look any less guilty, and it doesn't make cyber ninjas any dumber because the previous audits never mentioned it.

It kind of does though - because it would suggest that Cyber Ninjas has every opportunity to request access to all the copies so they could cross reference for disparities - which they either didn’t do, making them pretty incompetent or they did and found nothing out of place.

Meanwhile all they have to do is mention the fact someone backed up data and hey presto, Dantes is quoting Julia the “MAGA hat wearing old school conservative citizen journalist” as if she’s an expert and Ross has convinced himself they were frantically deleting evidence?

The hand count carried out by Cyber Ninjas confirms that the system count was accurate - so I’m not sure what records were supposed to be deleted, if the hand count reflects the system count.

Unless the Ninjas are lying?

Which leaves the issue of whether the actual ballots that were counted were fraudulent or duplicated - and the best I could see the report cone up with was a series of recommendations to do further check because they couldn’t really tell - and that’s if their methodology was fine.

But... Julia has taken time away from the mushroom she’s growing in the garden to inform Dantes via Twitter... so that must be that.

 

[Rosco]

You're missing the point again Stevie, so I'll break it down into terms you might understand.

Let's say me and you were in Court over a bottle of expensive red wine we were in dispute over.

The Court makes an order saying I have to deliver you that bottle within 48 hours. I go home open the bottle and pour the contents into my decanter. Then I send you the bottle I was ordered to deliver to you.

I've technically complied with the order, without giving you what you were actually looking for.

That's what happened here.

 

[Rosco]

Anyway Big Joe has created bigger problems ..

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/economy/debt-ceiling-deadline-yellen/index.html

 

[dantes]

Creepy Joe is hoping to push another peak out of the short-term cycle. Deleveraging doesn't have to be doom if you manage it properly. If you deny it exists, and teeter on the edge stamping your feet, demanding the evil republicans extend your credit facility, you better fucking pray you don't fall off the edge without realising. Then your forced surprise deleveraging will be the end for you. I'm sure creepy joe has got this though, there's nothing to be worried about.

 

[Woland]

Trump said he didn't care about the future economy because he wouldn't be in power any more. That's when the Chinese must have started laughing their heads off. This entire system is fucked, but the one who fucked it the most is your crush.

 

[dantes]

In reality, people are fucking buying bitcoin because they think it's a safer bet than the fate of the dollar under creepy joe. You can't even tell these fucking idiots that they're wrong, because they're right. Comedy economics. Great job Joe!

 

[Hansern]

Yeah, its not like Trump increased the debt ceiling 3 times during his tenure.

 

[dantes]

Trump said he didn't care about the future economy because he wouldn't be in power any more. That's when the Chinese must have started laughing their heads off. This entire system is fucked, but the one who fucked it the most is your crush.

Yeah, its not like Trump increased the debt ceiling 3 times during his tenure.

Trump used the debt to pay for productive things that generate a return, which will service the increased debt, you could be wrong and fail but there's no shame in that, sometimes you gotta default. The reason creepy joe is having a hard time getting his ceiling raised is because the things in his plan amount to generating more virtue, more thoughts and prayers, and more woke social justice, so people are worried about how the debt will get repaid. I personally think they're racists, they need to open their minds and listen to AOC and Pelosi more, stop thinking about the money, think about the feels and virtues and values!

 

[Hansern]

By people, you mean Republicans.

 

[Woland]

Trump gave tax breaks to the 1% that will cripple America for decades but will sort him out personally. Yet you bootlickers still love him.

 

[Rosco]

Trump gave tax breaks to the 1% that will cripple America for decades but will sort him out personally. Yet you bootlickers still love him.

It's less dangerous than giving billions worth of weapons to the Taliban.

 

[Holle]

It's less dangerous than giving billions worth of weapons to the Taliban.

Which was Trump's idea, basically.

 

[Rosco]

Which was Trump's idea, basically.

Nope.

That was all on creepy Joe. He hastened the withdrawal once he realised it was beneficial to his own finances.

 

[dantes]

You can't fully blame Biden, he's old, his memory isn't what it used to be, sometimes he forgets things he is told, just one of those things.

 

[StevieM]

You're missing the point again Stevie, so I'll break it down into terms you might understand.

Let's say me and you were in Court over a bottle of expensive red wine we were in dispute over.

The Court makes an order saying I have to deliver you that bottle within 48 hours. I go home open the bottle and pour the contents into my decanter. Then I send you the bottle I was ordered to deliver to you.

I've technically complied with the order, without giving you what you were actually looking for.

That's what happened here.

It’s a lovely story Ross, but it isn’t what happened here.

The audit carried out on 3rd Feb was by Pro V & V. You can find it’s findings here :
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report

There is no suggestion that V & V didn’t have access to the backup and their report has a clear Conclusion.

When Cyber Ninjas started their audit, In May, I believe - they noticed the system was backed up and “purged” on 2nd Feb.

It’s Cyber Ninjas who didn’t request access to the backups, that’s what Maricopa County let Julia know in her tweet.

Now... I don’t know why Cyber Ninjas didn’t subpoena the backup servers - maybe it’s because their hand count tallied closely with the official result, so the backups would only reinforce the fact that the count was correct.

You seem to be conflating the two audits - the V&V Audit that has access to everything it needed in 3rd Feb and the later Cyber Ninjas audit, that had months to subpoena whatever info it wanted and was not subject to a “purge” the day before it commenced.

You’ll find these details in the Cyber Ninjas report if you look.
(Section 6.4.1, page 63 in case you need help).

So... to update your analogy so that it’s accurate - there is no court case - I shared a bottle of expensive wine with someone (they were happy with it) and you’ve found out that I opened the bottle of wine and decanted it the night before - which you found weird (possibly because you have no experience in drinking fine wine). You only asked me for the empty bottle which has been provided. You didn’t ask for the wine in the decanter - which you could of if you wanted to.

(This is the bit that’s hard to refer to reality - because I would have clearly smashed that wine... but let’s pretend it still exists in the decanter and hasn’t turned to vinegar).

You have since opened your own bottle of the wine and found that it was fine, though not to your taste possibly and because as you were hired to specifically review the wine as being shit, upon finding that your tasting notes match mine... all you’re left with is arguing that you think it’s weird I opened the wine and decanted it the night before sharing it with someone else... while you necked yours out of the bottle.

Are you clear yet on where you’ve misunderstood what happened - you’ve sucked in fake news and didn’t apply a little bit of thought and logic to what happened.

Are you going to double down and make yourself look even sillier?

 

[dantes]

I don't think you've followed what actually happened. There were two previous audits. One by V&V and the other by some company beginning with S, STI or something, doesn't matter.

The first audit was 3rd Feb. The auditor V&V was appointed by Maricopa, there was no court case or hostility. V&V audited the data on the election management server, which is what was used during the election. So it makes sense to hand over the machine on which the data was entered. The night before that audit, Maricopa archived some amount of the data onto a different machine, and deleted it off the election server. That is as clear a sign of guilt as you can hope to have. The auditors audited what they were given, they made no mention of the missing data. Nor did the second STI auditor. Why would they? They were paid to audit something, you don't turn around and accuse the person paying you that they're wrong and start investigating them.

Then in May, or whatever date cyber ninjas got involved, they also audited the election management server. Except Maricopa refused to give it to them, and a court order was required. Much hostility, and thereafter there was no cooperation. Another clear sign of guilt. So cyber ninjas had no idea what had been removed from the drive, even if they read the previous audits there was no mention. It was only during the audit they discovered the data that was purged prior to the feb audit. So what the hell are you expecting they should have done?

If Maricopa were innocent, they'd have not opposed the court applications, and they'd have volunteered the fact that data had been archived to a different machine. They didn't.

 

[StevieM]

Nope.

That was all on creepy Joe. He hastened the withdrawal once he realised it was beneficial to his own finances.

What does “within 14 months of the announcement of this agreement” mean?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Deal signed in Feb 2020 - so out by May ‘21.

I’m amazed at Biden’s ability to manipulate the time itself as according to Ross he “hastened withdrawal” for his own benefit by pushing the agreed deadline out several months!!!

Is this another document you didn’t read or understand before making a silly comment?

Also - just in case Dantes gets all snowflakey... I think Biden made a pigs arse of it - but it’s either “get out” or “get back to war”.

 

[dantes]

What does “within 14 months of the announcement of this agreement” mean?

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Deal signed in Feb 2020 - so out by May ‘21.

I’m amazed at Biden’s ability to manipulate the time itself as according to Ross he “hastened withdrawal” for his own benefit by pushing the agreed deadline out several months!!!

Is this another document you didn’t read or understand before making a silly comment?

Also - just in case Dantes gets all snowflakey... I think Biden made a pigs arse of it - but it’s either “get out” or “get back to war”.

Did you not read the deal?

[article]
A. The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will take the following measures in the first one hundred thirty-five (135) days: 1) They will reduce the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan to eight thousand six hundred (8,600) and proportionally bring reduction in the number of its allies and Coalition forces. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from five (5) military bases.

B. With the commitment and action on the obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in Part Two of this agreement, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following: 1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.
[/article]

They have 6 bases. They withdraw 5 of them. The remaining one is Bagram. They leave that conditional upon the Taliban not killing any americans and conditional on them forming a coalition government. If memory serves, the Taliban had made zero progress on the negotiations, yet creepy joe just declared that he'd leave anyway because he had TDS. Then the Taliban overthrew the government and killed 13 americans, nope still have to leave because the deal said so. Clown foreign policy and clown legal knowledge of contracts.

 

[StevieM]

I don't think you've followed what actually happened. There were two previous audits. One by V&V and the other by some company beginning with S, STI or something, doesn't matter.

The first audit was 3rd Feb. The auditor V&V was appointed by Maricopa, there was no court case or hostility. V&V audited the data on the election management server, which is what was used during the election. So it makes sense to hand over the machine on which the data was entered. The night before that audit, Maricopa archived some amount of the data onto a different machine, and deleted it off the election server. That is as clear a sign of guilt as you can hope to have. The auditors audited what they were given, they made no mention of the missing data. Nor did the second STI auditor. Why would they? They were paid to audit something, you don't turn around and accuse the person paying you that they're wrong and start investigating them.

Then in May, or whatever date cyber ninjas got involved, they also audited the election management server. Except Maricopa refused to give it to them, and a court order was required. Much hostility, and thereafter there was no cooperation. Another clear sign of guilt. So cyber ninjas had no idea what had been removed from the drive, even if they read the previous audits there was no mention. It was only during the audit they discovered the data that was purged prior to the feb audit. So what the hell are you expecting they should have done?

If Maricopa were innocent, they'd have not opposed the court applications, and they'd have volunteered the fact that data had been archived to a different machine. They didn't.

So much speculation and nonsense in there.

Let’s start with this nonsense: “If Maricopa were innocent, they'd have not opposed the court applications,”

Let’s dispel ourselves of the idea that Cyber Ninjas is some sort of independent body searching for “the truth” - they were bought and paid for to deliver something, anything to cast doubt on the election.

It would be like me hiring & paying @Hansern to compile a report on whether you’re a mad man and claiming that failure from you to provide all your records signify’s guilt.

I can see why you never made it as a lawyer.l - so, if that’s your logic - Trump lies about his educational records, is a tax cheat and runs a criminal entity and the proof is he hasn’t made all records available and volunteered all the facts?

What would I have expected Cyber ninjas to do when they uncovered “the purge” - possibly request the backups at least- which they didn’t a during the 4-5 month period they were “auditing”.

Why is that - surely they’d want to know?

Non-cooperation & hostility is a clear sign of guilt... oh I’m saving that one... that’s one for the ages Dantes.

Again - I’ll go back to it - Cyber Ninjas own hand count was confirmed as being very similar to the official count - so what data is supposed to be missing or changed on the server that invalidates the count.

That’s one issue - it doesn’t deal with whether the ballots counted were legitimate, because that’s a separate issue - but it effectively proves that’s

I absolutely guarantee you that if Cyber Ninjas has found major discrepancies in their hand count to the official count - then this would have been the smoking gun they needed - but even they couldn’t deny that reality.

If both counts say the same thing - then what is you think was changed?

The answer - on balance of probabilities and evidence is... nothing - but it sounds really sinister to people who either want it to sound sinister or don’t understand why it isn’t sinister.

 

[StevieM]

Did you not read the deal?

[article]
A. The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will take the following measures in the first one hundred thirty-five (135) days: 1) They will reduce the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan to eight thousand six hundred (8,600) and proportionally bring reduction in the number of its allies and Coalition forces. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from five (5) military bases.

B. With the commitment and action on the obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in Part Two of this agreement, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following: 1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months. 2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.
[/article]

They have 6 bases. They withdraw 5 of them. The remaining one is Bagram. They leave that conditional upon the Taliban not killing any americans and conditional on them forming a coalition government. If memory serves, the Taliban had made zero progress on the negotiations, yet creepy joe just declared that he'd leave anyway because he had TDS. Then the Taliban overthrew the government and killed 13 americans, nope still have to leave because the deal said so. Clown foreign policy and clown legal knowledge of contracts.

Yes... I did read the deal.

You’re left with one base in Afghanistan and you decide the Taliban hasn’t kept up its end of the bargain - what do you do?

There is only 2 options - pull out or deploy back in because the remaining troops aren’t holding anything.

What do you do Dantes?

And remember - Trump was pulling out troops as part of the deal before Biden was elected.

What would he gave done? Pulled out, left the remaining base to be over-run, re-deployed and re-started the war?

There’s no good options here and no-one would have got it right.

 

[StevieM]

Let me try and make this easier on you both @dantes and @Rosco , for fear your contortions while lead to permanent physical damage.

Upon finding Themis “purge” what conclusions did Cyber Ninjas reach in their report and what recommendations did they make?

Let me help again -

6.4.1 : EMS Database Purged
Recommendations (6.4.1.2) -
“Legislation should be considered that could more greatly facilitate audits to be performed and require the counties to cooperate with the audits when they occur. Specifically, the county should be required to provide all the details needed to have a fully functional Election Management System where results can be reviewed.”

6.4.2 : Election Files Deleted
No conclusion.... no recommendations.

So the very report your holding up as proof something dodgy went on doesn’t even support the things you’re saying.

Anybody that ever read a fucking report with recommendations in their life will recognise that sort of vague wording for what it is - stretching to reach some sort... any sort... of conclusion that justifies writing the bloody report in the first place.

 

[Rosco]

I'm delighted I got Stevie to waste his time reading a report and then making posts about that I'm never going to read.

 

[Rosco]