Poll Best manager since Kenny?

[SummerOnions]

Since some are going on about Rafa being shit, shit and a bit more shit, and whatever, do you think he's been our best since Kenny?

What ranks higher for you? The treble or instanbul? I'm not entirely sure why i'm putting souness in this, but there ya go.

I think i'm going for rafa on achievements, but it's a close call with Ged. I can't remember enough of Evans to make an entirely accurate judgement, so i'm going with Benitez.

 

[themn]

Erm....the Ged v Rafa Legacies thread went into this.

Big style.

 

[mark1975]

I'd say he is.

Souness, not a chance obv. Evans played good football at times, and sideways uninspiring shit at other times, ultimately won the League Cup and that was it. Ged got us back on our way, won some trophies and came close to winning the league. Ditto Rafa, only he won us our first European Cup in 21 years, took us to another final two years later and gave us our respect back in Europe, also winning the FA Cup, taking us to a League Cup final and finishing with our highest ever Premiership points total. So I don't think you can look beyond Rafa really.

Though I'm sure the usual biased bellends will.

 

[themn]

It was I that voted for Uncle Roy.

Why ?

Fuckuuuuuu, that why !

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114363#msg1114363 date=1275832359]
I'd say he is.

Souness, not a chance obv. Evans played good football at times, and sideways uninspiring shit at other times, ultimately won the League Cup and that was it. Ged got us back on our way, won some trophies and came close to winning the league. Ditto Rafa, only he won us our first European Cup in 21 years, took us to another final two years later and gave us our respect back in Europe, also winning the FA Cup, taking us to a League Cup final and finishing with our highest ever Premiership points total. So I don't think you can look beyond Rafa really.

Though I'm sure the usual biased bellends will.
[/quote]

Zackly.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40492.msg1114367#msg1114367 date=1275832472]
It was I that voted for Uncle Roy.

Why ?

Fuckuuuuuu, that why !
[/quote]

lol.. Well we did have some wonderful games under Uncle Roy, and we had Fowler and Macca in their pomp and the emergence of Owen. And also one of the worst defences in our history.

 

[themn]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114369#msg1114369 date=1275832549]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40492.msg1114367#msg1114367 date=1275832472]
It was I that voted for Uncle Roy.

Why ?

Fuckuuuuuu, that why !
[/quote]

lol.. Well we did have some wonderful games under Uncle Roy, and we had Fowler and Macca in their pomp and the emergence of Owen. And also one of the worst defences in our history.
[/quote]

I was hoping for a little rebellion, but he's nicked off, the prawn !

 

[vantage]

Which deluded halfwit voted for Ged?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40492.msg1114371#msg1114371 date=1275832642]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114369#msg1114369 date=1275832549]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40492.msg1114367#msg1114367 date=1275832472]
It was I that voted for Uncle Roy.

Why ?

Fuckuuuuuu, that why !
[/quote]

lol.. Well we did have some wonderful games under Uncle Roy, and we had Fowler and Macca in their pomp and the emergence of Owen. And also one of the worst defences in our history.
[/quote]

I was hoping for a little rebellion, but he's nicked off, the prawn !
[/quote]Sneaky fockhen prawn eh!

 

[themn]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40492.msg1114375#msg1114375 date=1275832743]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40492.msg1114371#msg1114371 date=1275832642]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114369#msg1114369 date=1275832549]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40492.msg1114367#msg1114367 date=1275832472]
It was I that voted for Uncle Roy.

Why ?

Fuckuuuuuu, that why !
[/quote]

lol.. Well we did have some wonderful games under Uncle Roy, and we had Fowler and Macca in their pomp and the emergence of Owen. And also one of the worst defences in our history.
[/quote]

I was hoping for a little rebellion, but he's nicked off, the prawn !
[/quote]Sneaky fockhen prawn eh!
[/quote]

LOOOOOOOOL !

 

[themn]

[quote author=vantage link=topic=40492.msg1114373#msg1114373 date=1275832718]
Which deluded halfwit voted for Ged?
[/quote]

[size=14pt]?[/size]

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=vantage link=topic=40492.msg1114373#msg1114373 date=1275832718]
Which deluded halfwit voted for Ged?
[/quote]Me.

 

[gene hughes]

And me

 

[Avmenon]

This is a bit of a default poll tho.

It's Rafa, of course.

But this poll just reminds us that both came, did some improvements and ultimately failed.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Rafa, obviously.

 

[manwithnoname]

It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both

 

[Terrier]

Easy one this.

Souness

 

[monsieurdantes]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40492.msg1114410#msg1114410 date=1275835495]
It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both
[/quote]

Evan's did put together the 2nd best team in the country. Houllier dismantled it and put in its place the 3rd best team. Benitez dimantled than one about put together the 4th best.

In addition Evan's never presided over anything as pathetic as the final seasons of houllier and benitez. Moreover we always played good attacking cohesive football under Evans. Which judging by the last decade seems to have been an extrememly difficult thing to achieve.

 

[spider-Neil]

I know there is a rafa v gh thread already but can the people who voted gh please put in bullet points why gh was a better manager than rafa. just curious, thanks in advance 🙂

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40492.msg1114421#msg1114421 date=1275836944]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40492.msg1114410#msg1114410 date=1275835495]
It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both
[/quote]

Evan's did put together the 2nd best team in the country. Houllier dismantled it and put in its place the 3rd best team. Benitez dimantled than one about put together the 4th best.

In addition Evan's never presided over anything as pathetic as the final seasons of houllier and benitez. Moreover we always played good attacking cohesive football under Evans. Which judging by the last decade seems to have been an extrememly difficult thing to achieve.
[/quote]

Didn't we finish 7th in Evans' last season? 3rd the season before, and 4th the season before that.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40492.msg1114421#msg1114421 date=1275836944]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40492.msg1114410#msg1114410 date=1275835495]
It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both
[/quote]

Evan's did put together the 2nd best team in the country. Houllier dismantled it and put in its place the 3rd best team. Benitez dimantled than one about put together the 4th best.

In addition Evan's never presided over anything as pathetic as the final seasons of houllier and benitez. Moreover we always played good attacking cohesive football under Evans. Which judging by the last decade seems to have been an extrememly difficult thing to achieve.
[/quote]

dantes criteria for new manager - good football

everything else is just details

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114423#msg1114423 date=1275837148]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40492.msg1114421#msg1114421 date=1275836944]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40492.msg1114410#msg1114410 date=1275835495]
It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both
[/quote]

Evan's did put together the 2nd best team in the country. Houllier dismantled it and put in its place the 3rd best team. Benitez dimantled than one about put together the 4th best.

In addition Evan's never presided over anything as pathetic as the final seasons of houllier and benitez. Moreover we always played good attacking cohesive football under Evans. Which judging by the last decade seems to have been an extrememly difficult thing to achieve.
[/quote]

Didn't we finish 7th in Evans' last season? 3rd the season before, and 4th the season before that.
[/quote]

ha ha

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40492.msg1114425#msg1114425 date=1275837263]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40492.msg1114421#msg1114421 date=1275836944]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40492.msg1114410#msg1114410 date=1275835495]
It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both
[/quote]

Evan's did put together the 2nd best team in the country. Houllier dismantled it and put in its place the 3rd best team. Benitez dimantled than one about put together the 4th best.

In addition Evan's never presided over anything as pathetic as the final seasons of houllier and benitez. Moreover we always played good attacking cohesive football under Evans. Which judging by the last decade seems to have been an extrememly difficult thing to achieve.
[/quote]

dantes criteria for new manager - good football

everything else is just details


[/quote]

Evans played good attacking football sometimes, we also couldn't defend for toffee, so it's not the be all and end all. It's about balance more than anything, we still need to be able to defend well, otherwise it's as broad as it's long.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40492.msg1114426#msg1114426 date=1275837321]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114423#msg1114423 date=1275837148]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40492.msg1114421#msg1114421 date=1275836944]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40492.msg1114410#msg1114410 date=1275835495]
It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both
[/quote]

Evan's did put together the 2nd best team in the country. Houllier dismantled it and put in its place the 3rd best team. Benitez dimantled than one about put together the 4th best.

In addition Evan's never presided over anything as pathetic as the final seasons of houllier and benitez. Moreover we always played good attacking cohesive football under Evans. Which judging by the last decade seems to have been an extrememly difficult thing to achieve.
[/quote]

Didn't we finish 7th in Evans' last season? 3rd the season before, and 4th the season before that.
[/quote]

ha ha
[/quote]

Evans' highest finish was 3rd (twice I think). And when you consider he finished 7th in a league that was arguably competitively inferior to last seasons...

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40492.msg1114422#msg1114422 date=1275837017]
I know there is a rafa v gh thread already but can the people who voted gh please put in bullet points why gh was a better manager than rafa. just curious, thanks in advance 🙂
[/quote]What would be the point?
Were deluded, halwit, dim, mental bellends.
Let's just leave it at that.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40492.msg1114429#msg1114429 date=1275837822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40492.msg1114422#msg1114422 date=1275837017]
I know there is a rafa v gh thread already but can the people who voted gh please put in bullet points why gh was a better manager than rafa. just curious, thanks in advance 🙂
[/quote]What would be the point?
Were deluded, halwit, dim, mental bellends.
Let's just leave it at that.
[/quote]

lol.. that wasn't directed at you yer div. For what it's worth, I don't think there's much between them, at least league wise, they almost mirror each other, but Rafa won the CL.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114433#msg1114433 date=1275838104]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40492.msg1114429#msg1114429 date=1275837822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40492.msg1114422#msg1114422 date=1275837017]
I know there is a rafa v gh thread already but can the people who voted gh please put in bullet points why gh was a better manager than rafa. just curious, thanks in advance 🙂
[/quote]What would be the point?
Were deluded, halwit, dim, mental bellends.
Let's just leave it at that.
[/quote]

lol.. that wasn't directed at you yer div. For what it's worth, I don't think there's much between them, at least league wise, they almost mirror each other, but Rafa won the CL.
[/quote]I just don't understand how readily people can detach emotion from the mix when assessing who the best manager is.
Houllier made me love football, and Liverpool.
Rafa made me hate anything to do with the game.
The best manager (given the lack of criterea by the original poster) should include how you as a fan view and feel about the club. I cannot remove how I feel and just commit to the stoic mantra 'yeah but he won the champions league' and let that be enough. It isn't.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40492.msg1114437#msg1114437 date=1275838464]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114433#msg1114433 date=1275838104]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40492.msg1114429#msg1114429 date=1275837822]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40492.msg1114422#msg1114422 date=1275837017]
I know there is a rafa v gh thread already but can the people who voted gh please put in bullet points why gh was a better manager than rafa. just curious, thanks in advance 🙂
[/quote]What would be the point?
Were deluded, halwit, dim, mental bellends.
Let's just leave it at that.
[/quote]

lol.. that wasn't directed at you yer div. For what it's worth, I don't think there's much between them, at least league wise, they almost mirror each other, but Rafa won the CL.
[/quote]I just don't understand how readily people can detach emotion from the mix when assessing who the best manager is.
Houllier made me love football, and Liverpool.
Rafa made me hate anything to do with the game.
The best manager (given the lack of criterea by the original poster) should include how you as a fan view and feel about the club. I cannot remove how I feel and just commit to the stoic mantra 'yeah but he won the champions league' and let that be enough. It isn't.

[/quote]

I don't think there's much debating that Houllier was the more likeable man, though he had similar man-management issues at times (Babbel for instance).

Rafa didn't make me hate football though, the commercialism and money have made me question things from time to time, I don't hate him but I hated his stubborness and his regimental style.

Regards who was more successful, I think it's difficult to not say Rafa, but like I said, there's probably little in it statistically overall.

Both contributed to putting us back on the map. There was something truly genuine and warm about Ged, while Rafa's occasional tactical masterstrokes in Europe will always be remembered.

 

[Judge Jules]

I'm afraid I reckon it's totally wrong-headed not to say Rafa. IMO a judgment of managerial qualities and overall careers should be an objective one, kept at arm's length from the kind of legitimate but totally subjective personal reactions which Oncy describes.

 

[monsieurdantes]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114428#msg1114428 date=1275837513]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40492.msg1114426#msg1114426 date=1275837321]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40492.msg1114423#msg1114423 date=1275837148]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=40492.msg1114421#msg1114421 date=1275836944]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40492.msg1114410#msg1114410 date=1275835495]
It's obviously Benitez, followed by Houllier.

Any other answer makes you look dim, or mental, or both
[/quote]

Evan's did put together the 2nd best team in the country. Houllier dismantled it and put in its place the 3rd best team. Benitez dimantled than one about put together the 4th best.

In addition Evan's never presided over anything as pathetic as the final seasons of houllier and benitez. Moreover we always played good attacking cohesive football under Evans. Which judging by the last decade seems to have been an extrememly difficult thing to achieve.
[/quote]

Didn't we finish 7th in Evans' last season? 3rd the season before, and 4th the season before that.
[/quote]

ha ha
[/quote]

Evans' highest finish was 3rd (twice I think). And when you consider he finished 7th in a league that was arguably competitively inferior to last seasons...
[/quote]

you're laughing about the season houllier was joint manager