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Not the money, but from what I heard we made very little effort to make him feel wanted when he met with us. Which isn't really surprising, because I don't think Rafa *did* particularly want him, anymore than he did in 2004. I think mixed feelings within the club, plus the fact we didn't have the money for it, basically added up to a half-arsed effort, even if it was understandable. That's bound to affect any feelings of loyalty he might've had towards us a bit.

That's nonsense that Peter. For years and years whilst playing for Liverpool, Owen made it crystal clear his affinities lay elsewhere. Despite being an excellent striker for us the fans simply could not take to the little worm. Whether it was his uber clean cut image or his constant bleating about wanting "to play abroad in the future" or how great playing for England was he never enamored himself with the fans in the way other striking legends have. His worshipping of the white shirt of St George was never going to sit well with Scousers the majority of whom are completely ambivolent the England team. He deliberately ran his contract down in search of that lucrative foreign move and got what he wanted when the club had to sell him for less than half what he was worth at the time. Benitez had no choice and Owen never gave him a chance so you can't lay that one at Rafas door. He showed fuck all loyalty to the club that developed him into the European player of the year. And then, when things went wrong at Real Madrid and he realised their fans didn't know who the fuck he was he tried to engineer a move back to us via his best mate Carragher. Well it was not going to happen.

For me he was just one of the first of a new breed of player whose self interest took priority over everything else. I don't hate him. After all, he was a cracking player for us. I've absolutely no respect for him though and his attention seeking over the years demonstrates a lack if self respect.

He took the devils shilling when he left Liverpool and he had to live with the consequences which was ultimately becoming a comical parody of the player he could have been and the player he mistakenly believes he is. He's a joke but never make the mistake of believing that Owen was anything other than the one who was always doing the manipulating here and it was fucking hilarious when it backfired on him.
 
That's nonsense that Peter. For years and years whilst playing for Liverpool, Owen made it crystal clear his affinities lay elsewhere. Despite being an excellent striker for us the fans simply could not take to the little worm. Whether it was his uber clean cut image or his constant bleating about wanting "to play abroad in the future" or how great playing for England was he never enamored himself with the fans in the way other striking legends have. His worshipping of the white shirt of St George was never going to sit well with Scousers the majority of whom are completely ambivolent the England team. He deliberately ran his contract down in search of that lucrative foreign move and got what he wanted when the club had to sell him for less than half what he was worth at the time. Benitez had no choice and Owen never gave him a chance so you can't lay that one at Rafas door. He showed fuck all loyalty to the club that developed him into the European player of the year. And then, when things went wrong at Real Madrid and he realised their fans didn't know who the fuck he was he tried to engineer a move back to us via his best mate Carragher. Well it was not going to happen.

For me he was just one of the first of a new breed of player whose self interest took priority over everything else. I don't hate him. After all, he was a cracking player for us. I've absolutely no respect for him though and his attention seeking over the years demonstrates a lack if self respect.

He took the devils shilling when he left Liverpool and he had to live with the consequences which was ultimately becoming a comical parody of the player he could have been and the player he mistakenly believes he is. He's a joke but never make the mistake of believing that Owen was anything other than the one who was always doing the manipulating here and it was fucking hilarious when it backfired on him.

Yeah, there are loads on here who go down the 'Rafa didn't want him, left him with no option but to go' line, which I can't buy at all. Rafa travelled to the England camp almost immediately after getting the job to talk to our England players and Owen in particular. It may be that Rafa didn't want him longer term, I don't know, but he certainly would have wanted him to extend his contract. The dumbest fuck in the world would know that we couldn't get anything like Owen's value unless he extended his contract, which the wee fucker had repeatedly refused to do.
 
For me he was just one of the first of a new breed of player whose self interest took priority over everything else. I don't hate him. After all, he was a cracking player for us. I've absolutely no respect for him though and his attention seeking over the years demonstrates a lack if self respect.

Bang on.
 
I think I've read quotes from Rafa himself, or at least from Balague - so pretty much indirect quotes - that that's what happened. It was his decision to sell because he wanted money to buy Alonso and that was his best bet of getting it. Now maybe they were lying to make it look like he had more control than he did over what happened or something. I'd have thought, if they wanted to make Rafa look good, a better line would be to say he wanted to leave and Rafa had no power in the matter and it was yet another thing to deal with, making his task all the harder, and his success all the more miraculous, yada yada yada. Just seems a bit unlikely they'd lie about that. But if they did, they did, fair enough.

I think it's clear enough why the fans didn't take to him. He was Mr Clean Cut Goody 2 Shoes, the national darling. There was no other reason, at least nothing you could blame him for. He was just a cold fish. The England worshipping, *if* it was part of the coolness towards him, was hardly a crime, and so he didn't deserve to suffer for for it: to show restraint would've been an unreasonable expectation of a young English prodigy, a mega star for his country at an age when Gerrard had yet to even get close to a squad, and says a lot more about our crowd's character than his.

Maybe he made it clear he wanted to play abroad in the future. Tbh I don't remember. If he did that quite early on then, fair enough, that'd be a good reason for there to have been a distance - something you could blame him for.
 
Peter - the problem wasn't so much the England worshipping as you put it but that worshipping was disproportionate to any kudos he applied to the club he played for. That pissed fans off.
 
Wasnt there a contract on offer for him for ages and he kept making excuses, including his agent being on holidays, for not getting round to signing it. He ran it so far that we got €8M + Mr Bean from Real Madrid.
 
Wasnt there a contract on offer for him for ages and he kept making excuses, including his agent being on holidays, for not getting round to signing it. He ran it so far that we got €8M + Mr Bean from Real Madrid.


Exactly.
 
In Rafas book (great read) he says how he and Parry met with Owen one evening and told him how we wanted to sign him from Real. Owen was asked to wait while we negotiated the price, but instead he chose to sign for the barcodes. The reason given was that he couldn't risk sitting on the Real bench again and losing his spot in the England starting eleven.
 
I can't remember his old agent - Tony Stephens? - but he really took the piss in that last year at LFC. delaying things for ages and then, come the spring, he announced he was taking a 'sabbatical', thus - quite ludicrously - stalling things for the rest of the season.
 
And what about all those rumours of his agents hawking him around every top european club whilst he had 2 years or so left of his contract. One of the clubs his agents offered Owen to was Valencia, who were managed by none other than Rafa. So Rafa also knew the little bellend's heart wasn't in it at Anfield and wanted to go. With regards to selling Owen to get Alsonso, I thought it was Murphy we sacrificed to get Alonso?
 
Didn't Danny Murphy leave when Rafa came here saying something about too many foreign managers in the Premiership?
 
He tried to blame the fact he was English on him being sold, claiming Rafa was xenophobic, he missed the glaringly obvious fact that he wasn't good enough.
 
A bit harsh on Zidanny there, lads. His comments when he left didn't do him credit, but he had been desperate to stay and was hugely disappointed to have to go. Not many of us would be at our best in such circs, and he stopped making those comments almost straight away. As for him not being good enough - well, maybe, but he was instrumental in more than one victory over the Mancs and there have been times when I'd cheerfully have swapped him for some of the dross who have worn the shirt after him.
 
Its just a saga now Gk.
You will have to put up with it forever.
Some fool will bicker with you for no reason then when you retort they will accuse you of moaning about the press (when you didnt) then youll say 'I didnt mention the press at all' and then they will say you need to calm down and stop threatening to be a sulk or some such bollocks.
Sorry dude youve got 'history' now.
I get it with Flip flopping all the time even about subjects i havnt changed about.
Fuck em.
And fuck Michael 'hobgoblin' owen and anyone who DOESNT think hes a shitty little bellend.
 
Why am I the only one who got any flak for this thread!😀😉

is it not because when someone disagreed with a post you made , you responded by calling that person a "forelock tugging dweeb". You need to be careful of the power you wield , witty and original responses like that can cut deep .
 
Its just a saga now Gk.
You will have to put up with it forever.
Some fool will bicker with you for no reason then when you retort they will accuse you of moaning about the press (when you didnt) then youll say 'I didnt mention the press at all' and then they will say you need to calm down and stop threatening to be a sulk or some such bollocks.
Sorry dude youve got 'history' now.
I get it with Flip flopping all the time even about subjects i havnt changed about.
Fuck em.
And fuck Michael 'hobgoblin' owen and anyone who DOESNT think hes a shitty little bellend.


Last week you said you didn't mind being accused of being a flip-flopper.
 
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I had a kick about with Owen in his mum's garden when he was in our youth team. My mum met his mum at a charity do & they did the whole ladies who lunch bollocks think I was dragged along cos it was the school holidays but can't remember, I may have asked to go.

He swore like a trooper & was saying he had been told he couldn't do that in public & had to maintain a public image in order to be successful.

He was ok tbh, seemed down to earth & just loved playing for the sake of it. Definitely didn't regard football as a business then. Sad, cos he seems to now.

Ergo tevez, rooney, torres etc. The money destroys & replaces their passion for the game, it becomes a business & they become lesser players, to varying degrees.

Perhaps Le tissier, shearer & others maybe did know what they were doing turning down moves.
 
He was fucking unreal even then btw, I've never played with anyone so skilful in all my life. As I'm shit it was embarrassing.
 
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