Poll Are you "proud of N'gog"?

[TheBunnyman]

DB, I prefaced my 'fuck off, cunt' comment to you with the words 'I don't care if I get banned for this'. And I meant it. A short-term ban would have been a price well worth paying because telling you to fuck off and calling you cunt made me feel so much better in that very low moment.

Plus you are a cunt and you really ought to fuck off.

 

[Insignificance]

If he didnt decide to dive he would have earned one of the clearest penalties for years. Carlsey was no where near the ball... In the end he oculd have been a hero, instead he is a cheating cunt. Fuck!

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=37061.msg984734#msg984734 date=1257804309]
I'm just gutted he didn't manage to dive for a second pen.
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against a bunch of utter fucking no marks like Birmingham, who did FUCK ALL in the entire match and were lucky to even have 1 goal let alone two.... and theyve got the Bollox to feel aggrieved!!!....


too fucking right i wish he'd dived for two

 

[rage]

i recall the righteous outcry when chelsea got that penalty to get a draw against us a few seasons ago.

the dive was a really poor thing to do from n'gog who i thought had one of his best games in a red shirt for us. he shouldn't have clearly and easily hurdled carlsey only to fall over afterwards for no reason whatsoever. i can't see how anyone can really claim it was anything other than a dive.

these indeed are desperate times that would test buddha never mind a french kid that's started a handfull of games for us.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=37061.msg985106#msg985106 date=1257841365]
If he didnt decide to dive he would have earned one of the clearest penalties for years. Carlsey was no where near the ball... In the end he oculd have been a hero, instead he is a cheating cunt. Fuck!
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I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this. Yes he dived but if he hadnt Carsley would have landed him in row ten of the Anfield Road end. Carsley made a lunge and was nowhere near the ball.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=rage link=topic=37061.msg985117#msg985117 date=1257842725]
i recall the righteous outcry when chelsea got that penalty to get a draw against us a few seasons ago.

the dive was a really poor thing to do from n'gog who i thought had one of his best games in a red shirt for us. he shouldn't have clearly and easily hurdled carlsey only to fall over afterwards for no reason whatsoever. i can't see how anyone can really claim it was anything other than a dive.

these indeed are desperate times that would test buddha never mind a french kid that's started a handfull of games for us.
[/quote]

The main outcry in the Chelsea game was against the referee. The Chelsea player as I remember didnt even claim a penalty.

 

[Sunny]

Those of you who are getting heated up can you tone it down please

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=37061.msg985085#msg985085 date=1257838337]
On reflection, I don't think I like to see such blatant diving from Liverpool players, and Eggnog's was the most blatant I've seen for a while

However, the bigger issue is that in a must win game against a poor side at Anfield, we needed an ordinary young player to score, and then cheat, in order to secure a fucking draw


[/quote]

That's the main issue for me. It's embarrassing.

 

[robinhood]

Woah! Sunny's wearing a badge.

*tips hat*

 

[Pesam]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=37061.msg985103#msg985103 date=1257840773]
DB, I prefaced my 'fuck off, cunt' comment to you with the words 'I don't care if I get banned for this'. And I meant it. A short-term ban would have been a price well worth paying because telling you to fuck off and calling you cunt made me feel so much better in that very low moment.

Plus you are a cunt and you really ought to fuck off.



[/quote]

*Guffaws*

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=robinhood link=topic=37061.msg985133#msg985133 date=1257843547]
Woah! Sunny's wearing a badge.

*tips hat*
[/quote]

Hello Robin nice to see you back

 

[Niall K]

[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=37061.msg984757#msg984757 date=1257804534]
i'm proud of him 'cos i knew he was a beast before anyone else on here.
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The last player you championed as a beast was Dossena after he had played a couple of pre season games. Better luck with this one.

 

[dossena]

Get fucked Niall K.

 

[Niall K]

[quote author=dossena link=topic=37061.msg985164#msg985164 date=1257846480]
Get fucked Niall K.
[/quote]

I wish

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=37061.msg985118#msg985118 date=1257842941]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=37061.msg985106#msg985106 date=1257841365]
If he didnt decide to dive he would have earned one of the clearest penalties for years. Carlsey was no where near the ball... In the end he oculd have been a hero, instead he is a cheating cunt. Fuck!
[/quote]

I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought this. Yes he dived but if he hadnt Carsley would have landed him in row ten of the Anfield Road end. Carsley made a lunge and was nowhere near the ball.
[/quote]

Yes, quite, the TV reliance on studying slow motion replays led to the silliest nonsense from people who, in a cooler hour, should've known better, such as McLeish, who stared at it frame by frame and decided N'gog could have stopped, 'jumped over' Carsley's feet and then carried on. That's as bad as old blokes down the pub explaining how players could've jinked their way past ten opponents and slotted the ball in the net at lightening pace. Detached from reality. It's not as if both players were running together towards the byline - N'gog was cutting in and Carsley was flying across him. And as for Carsley's moving concern for the children of the nation being traumatised by the sight of such diving, well, I hope he'll now practice what he so belatedly preaches and cut out all of the elbowing, kicking and bone shaking tackles from behind he specialises in.

One thing that does bemuse me about Wash is that, right from the start in the reserves, he keeps reaching out for the ball with his hand like a kitten spotting a piece of wool. He did it again, yesterday, trying to punch in a cross. The coaching staff must have seen the habit by now, but still it goes on.

 

[themn]

Not "proud" as such but ask me if I give a fuck ?

Oh, and Chris Waddle, shut the fuck up you Sputnik-launching, round-shouldered mullet-having, fat man-walking biotch!

 

[the_khl]

Yes he went down easily last night and of course it wasn't a penalty. That said it wasn't anywhere near as 'horrific' a dive as the medias is trying to make it out to be.

It was a silly challenge by Parsley with no chance of actually hitting the ball. Ngog went down to easy evidently but when a striker sees an opponent throwing in a challenge from behind-ish he'll always make sure he isn't going to be actually caught.

Ngog overdid it, surely. But the ammount of criticism is uncalled for in my opinion.

 

[Insignificance]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37061.msg985240#msg985240 date=1257850701]
Yes he went down easily last night and of course it wasn't a penalty. That said it wasn't anywhere near as 'horrific' a dive as the medias is trying to make it out to be.

It was a silly challenge by Parsley with no chance of actually hitting the ball. Ngog went down to easy evidently but when a striker sees an opponent throwing in a challenge from behind-ish he'll always make sure he isn't going to be actually caught.

Ngog overdid it, surely. But the ammount of criticism is uncalled for in my opinion.
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The amount of criticism will hoepfully keep him on his feet for a second longer next time. i wouldnt object to a 2 games suspencion if it what takes the diving out of footie.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=37061.msg985255#msg985255 date=1257851322]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37061.msg985240#msg985240 date=1257850701]
Yes he went down easily last night and of course it wasn't a penalty. That said it wasn't anywhere near as 'horrific' a dive as the medias is trying to make it out to be.

It was a silly challenge by Parsley with no chance of actually hitting the ball. Ngog went down to easy evidently but when a striker sees an opponent throwing in a challenge from behind-ish he'll always make sure he isn't going to be actually caught.

Ngog overdid it, surely. But the ammount of criticism is uncalled for in my opinion.
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The amount of criticism will hoepfully keep him on his feet for a second longer next time. i wouldnt object to a 2 games suspencion if it what takes the diving out of footie.
[/quote]
Well I probably wouldn't either I do however still reckon the reactions has been a bit harsh given the circumstances of the fall.

As you more or less said yourself it would've been a blatant penalty had it been Gerrard in that situation as he would've just slightly connected his foot with the incoming vegetable.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Not proud. He did what he had to, he wasn't the first and wont be the last.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37061.msg985240#msg985240 date=1257850701]
Ngog overdid it, surely. But the ammount of criticism is uncalled for in my opinion.
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It was one of the worst dives I have ever seen. Ever.
It will get a lot of criticism for two reasons:

a) The player is not English
b) He plays for a high profile club

If Mark Noble dives like that against Birmingham at home it would cause a bit of fuss but would be forgotton soon enough. The amount of replays ESPN showed last night was fucking unreal. It will be shown all day long on SSN today, with a host of 'experts' coming on the give their opinion on it.

 

[gkmacca]

Gerrard's ludicrous star-shaped dives running into the area are the ones that horrify me. I think if most forwards had been where N'gog was and Carsley slid in towards their feet they would have dived - not necessarily to get a pen, but to avoid being bulldozed off the pitch. Slowing the incident down really distorts or even obscures that point. I think it's much more contentious that the inquisition suggests. Lineker and Shearer wouldn't have stayed on their feet, I'm sure. It's a bit rich that after mocking N'gog through ignorance since he arrived, some in the media have reacted to his improved form by tearing him to bits over this.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37061.msg985265#msg985265 date=1257852321]
It's a bit rich that after mocking N'gog through ignorance since he arrived, some in the media have reacted to his improved form by tearing him to bits over this.
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He'll get ripped to bits because he cheated Macca, deservedly so.

 

[gkmacca]

Well, as has been said, the idea that there's a clear line between cheating and not cheating is wrong. Hamman was generally regarded as being clever when he crumpled upon contact, but that was always far more pre-meditated than someone running and diving over a sliding tackle. Only in the world of slo-mo is that ever so calculated. So what's 'more' cheating - a very calm and deliberate but quite subtle fall in the middle of the centre circle a la Didi, or a split second decision to go to ground deep in the area? This black and white view is, in itself, obscuring its own hypocrisies and confusions.

 

[Dreambeliever]

[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=37061.msg985103#msg985103 date=1257840773]
DB, I prefaced my 'fuck off, cunt' comment to you with the words 'I don't care if I get banned for this'. And I meant it. A short-term ban would have been a price well worth paying because telling you to fuck off and calling you cunt made me feel so much better in that very low moment.

Plus you are a cunt and you really ought to fuck off.



[/quote]

that's twice. And if calling me that makes you feel so much better then it says more about you than a ban ever could.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37061.msg985300#msg985300 date=1257855399]
Well, as has been said, the idea that there's a clear line between cheating and not cheating is wrong. Hamman was generally regarded as being clever when he crumpled upon contact, but that was always far more pre-meditated than someone running and diving over a sliding tackle. Only in the world of slo-mo is that ever so calculated. So what's 'more' cheating - a very calm and deliberate but quite subtle fall in the middle of the centre circle a la Didi, or a split second decision to go to ground deep in the area? This black and white view is, in itself, obscuring its own hypocrisies and confusions.
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I don't think it is Macca.
Didi falls over in the centre circle to win a free and relieve some pressure, it's not right but it is something that has become common place and it is also not going to cost the opposing team a victory or a draw.

Diving in the box to win a penalty can have managers sacked and teams relegated. So for that reason I would say diving in the box is far worse.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Surley a dive is a dive Stu?

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Macca, Didi always used to make sure there was contact. And enough contact to warrant a FK. If there was contact on N'Gog, then the hysteria would be non existent. The lack of any obvious contact is the reason for the press attacks whether he would or would not have been snapped in two is irrelevant when drawing up a back page to catch the eye.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=37061.msg985319#msg985319 date=1257856258]
Macca, Didi always used to make sure there was contact. And enough contact to warrant a FK. If there was contact on N'Gog, then the hysteria would be non existent. The lack of any obvious contact is the reason for the press attacks whether he would or would not have been snapped in two is irrelevant when drawing up a back page to catch the eye.
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Well, I'm only pointing out the inconsistency in the coverage. Lucas was berated for a Didi-style 'trick' against Bolton because it got a player sent off. I don't think that WAS pre-meditated, anyway, but the replays made people start to drift that way. What N'Gog could have done, maybe, was move ahead, but then he was close to the near post and was there a clear pass on, or check to the left for a pass to Lucas (if memory serves) and risk his left ankle being removed by Carsley. So I'm not really disputing the controversy, I'm just suggesting it's been presented as far more clear cut than it was.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Agreed. The simple thing for him to do is to leave his foot trailing behind and ensure there is contact with the player. Darren bent did it on saturday against Spurs and there has not been a peep about that. He will learn, become more cute, and get better at it. Like Gerrard and Torres.

Plus, we are the whipping boys at the moment, so I expect nothing else from the hacks.