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are we fucking buying anyone or what like?

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Yeah when those guys are all on the pitch we're pretty much sorted but we haven't seen that line up since the Sunderland game in November I think.
We lost Coutinho and we don't have a suitable replacement for him, we now have him back and lost Mané who we also don't have a suitable replacement for. The three players we can bring on are as you mentioned Origi, Sturridge or Can. Which would require us to change the line up.
Sure if Firmino is out, play Sturridge or Origi.
If one of the midfield three are out, sure go Can.
We just don't have anyone on the bench who can replace Coutinho or Mané, without tinkering with the line up.

Hence why I think buying another winger wouldn't be such a bad idea.
 
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If we're buying players better than each of them (not Jermaine Defoe) - and specifically for that time - then yeah - great.

For me - there's too much "mid-season" WE HAVE TO BUUUUUUYYYY!!!! going on.

Is there anyone suggesting we buy players that are worse than the ones we already have?
 
I think it's pretty obvious that we have been trying to buy a pacy winger but the targets the manager wants are not available. That's fine by me, the last thing we should be doing is to bring in an inferior player if the alternative is we have to wait 6 months to bring in the manager's choice.
 
I've made a list of five transfers we should make as soon as possible.. okay?

DM: Franck Kessie - because he looks like an even beastlier version of Michael Essien back when he were in beast mode. Steel, power, grit, skill, goals. How I would love a proper defensive midfield powerhouse in front of our defense but also one with quality to join in attack. This Franck fella looks the real deal. Five goals in his first 14 Serie A games for Atalanta kinda sounds promising for a DM. Also Ivorian players have historically been quite awesome in the Premier League.

ST: Kasper Dolberg - the striker phenomenon at Ajax. We can either 'wait and see' and probably miss out or we can go all in and show the world we are the place to be for any hot up-and-coming European player. He's probably on par with Origi already but three years younger, and with greater potential. We won't play him from day one obv but we could give him games during Spring and make him ready for the upcoming Season. I'd have faith in a Firmino, Origi, Dolberg (+ the Frenchman you'll find further down the list) trio for the one, two or three spots upfront. And we'd have a potential world class striker on our hands for years.

LB: Ryan Bertrand - as much as I also rate van Dijk I guess Bertrand could perhaps be the player we'd need the most at the time being from Soton. Such a thrilling and entertaining full back to watch when he goes forward, and he does that a lot. Can take on players, make things happen and create chances galore without forgetting his defensive duties. Exactly the player I hoped Moreno could develop into but that seems less likely by the month.

AM/F: Antoine Griezmann - because we need a true world class player in the squad. I know, I know, he's well out of reach you say and he probably is but then again we once bought Torres and Suarez so it's not like we don't have any pulling power. We are Liverpool and if there are only the slimiest of chances we should do whatever possible to get our hands on him. Oncy will be happy and so will we all.

LW/RW: Jacob Bruun Larsen - another fucking Dane, I know, but bare with me here. We had him on a trial once before he opted for Dortmund (with Klopp) and while he is playing mostly from the wing he's a current top scorer in the Youth Bundesliga with 14 goals in 12 matches. He played a full 90 minutes (as the only player in the team to get a full game) when Dortmund beat St. Liege 3-1 last night in their final prep for the Spring season and is rumored to get Bundesliga games soon. (He scored a deflected goal on his debut in a Cup-game as you can watch below).

Lars Ricken (some might remember that name) is working for Dortmund in their Youth setup and he has recently commented that he has probably never seen a player so great with both feet before as is the case with Bruun Larsen. It makes him nigh on impossible to read for defenders as he can go either way and when you then add his strong physique and incredible pace you've got something special. He also got a powerful shot on him and is being described a humble, hard-working lad with both feet firmly on the ground.

I have no idea whether we can even get our hands on a highly rated Dortmund Youth player these days but I guess it's more likely than say Pulisic, who's exactly the same age (18) but with 20 games and four goals to his name already in the Bundesliga - hence why he's probably also out of reach for us with a bidding war pending. Maybe we can buy both?

For the nerdy-geek-nerd, all of his touches in his official debut (1-nil victory v Union Berlin). Some poor, some decent, some great in a rather industrious debut.

 
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Is there anyone suggesting we buy players that are worse than the ones we already have?

Yeah, and most of the points I'm making aren't about this window, just what we need, and needed in the last one too

And in the next one

Dreamy is talking about a certain type of player we could do with too, not demanding we find one now, but I certainly do think we could do with making one or two January window signings, difficult and unrealistic as they may be

But my opinion hasn't been swayed by the proximity of the window
 
It's okay saying Sturridge , Origi and Can are the back up players for the front six but are they good enough?
Sturridge doesn't bother pressing the ball or harrying defenders and it affects the rest of the team because if we don't use our pressing tactics as a team then it puts much more pressure on the defence. All it takes is one player not trying (or unable to run too much) and there are gaps for the opposition to play through us.
Origi has done okay this season as a centre forward but when he's played in a wider position he struggles to make much of an impact. This has also happened with Firmino when he's played out wide, he's useless unless played centrally.
Can's form varies from half decent to complete shite and his lack of pace is a big problem defensively and positionally.

I think we can cope with one of Henderson, Mane or Coutinho out at a time but when all three are missing then the midfield looks average and lacking in creativity and pace.

Given that with the way we play and the effort we put into most matches isn't it inevitable that we were going to suffer from fatigue in the second half of the season and that was when a larger squad would have been more desirable. I know I'd rather have joe allen on the bench now than £15 million quid in John Henry's back pocket.
 
Griezman is hardly a similar case to Torres
I know. I was just trying to convince myself that we can compete.. we probably can't.

Do we have a good relationship with Atletico anyone? Like some kind of proper friendship so they'd want to sell to us over Chelsea, United or City?
 
I know. I was just trying to convince myself that we can compete.. we probably can't.

Do we have a good relationship with Atletico anyone? Like some kind of proper friendship so they'd want to sell to us over Chelsea, United or City?

What, you mean like accept 20m less than they could get from United or whoever because we're such great mates?

That would be nice
 
The Antoine Griezmann ship has most definitely sailed. Cant see JK breaking the bank (60 million +) for a single player.
 
The Antoine Griezmann ship has most definitely sailed. Cant see JK breaking the bank (60 million +) for a single player.
Me neither but how wonderful it would be.

I mean what's the better deal, £35M for two Carroll's or £70M for one Griezmann? I think if we put it like that they'd get the point..
 
Me neither but how wonderful it would be.

I mean what's the better deal, £35M for two Carroll's or £70M for one Griezmann? I think if we put it like that they'd get the point..

He'd want sky high wages and also CL football and a title challenge every season too

We haven't won anything for ages
 
It's pretty obvious that the point is "like" that sort of player, in terms of calibre and reliability, not suggesting we spend £50m on Delle Ali now.
I suggested buying him when he was for sale at MK Dons anyway.

But my point is that there appears to be a large group of people who bizarrely don't think we need a top quality striker, or even stranger, might actually be better off without one at all! Imagine!?

And all you hear is bleating:

"spread goals around the team!"
"not reliant one one player!"
"Jermain Defoe is playing for Sunderland!"
"Player X will score Y goals, even though he never has in his entire career before"

It all seems largely based on the reality of the fact that we don't have one, and a slavish desire to believe Klopp is a messianic genius and because he hasn't bought one yet, we never need to.

Which is a bit embarrassing really.

Name the "top quality" striker - that we should sign in this window.

I'm really interested to see what you come up with.
 
Ok - we can't just buy anyone - that not realistic.

Are we playing Lucas in midfield regularly, or because other players are injured or out of form or being rested.

I dunno - you decide
Ha yeah, but what if Hendo's heal flares up again, it is a chronic problem so it more than likely will . Can has been poor since returning from injury so who else can we play in the centre ? Stewart and / or Lucas are definitely not the answer. We are short and need to sort out this position pdq and if it means we end up spending a bit more than in the summer we should go for it.
 
Yeah when those guys are all on the pitch we're pretty much sorted but we haven't seen that line up since the Sunderland game in November I think.
We lost Coutinho and we don't have a suitable replacement for him, we now have him back and lost Mané who we also don't have a suitable replacement for. The three players we can bring on are as you mentioned Origi, Sturridge or Can. Which would require us to change the line up.
Sure if Firmino is out, play Sturridge or Origi.
If one of the midfield three are out, sure go Can.
We just don't have anyone on the bench who can replace Coutinho or Mané, without tinkering with the line up.

Hence why I think buying another winger wouldn't be such a bad idea.

So are we looking for someone to replace coutinho or someone who can sit on the bench & play in the odd game he doesn't.

Are we looking - nae desperate for Coutinhos replacement this window?
 
So are we looking for someone to replace coutinho or someone who can sit on the bench & play in the odd game he doesn't.

Are we looking - nae desperate for Coutinhos replacement this window?
Well isn't that the point of having a big squad?
 
Name the "top quality" striker - that we should sign in this window.

I'm really interested to see what you come up with.

I'm not a scout. Nor am I saying we have to buy one this window. We should have bought one in summer.

I'm simply making the point about the type of players we obviously require, and defending Dreamy from the usual pile-on.

My view hasn't changed since summer, and won't change until it has been resolved. I am aware of the difficulties of the market at any time, never mind January, but as I said, I'm not a scout, so I wouldn't have been clamouring for us to sign Suarez in the January window of 2011 either, as I had little knowledge of him.
 
It doesn't even HAVE to be a striker. If we had a backup midfielder who was as good as the Henderson, & a forward who was as good as any of our normal trio it wouldn't be an issue either, cos the system would still work.

In the absence of those though, & with Liverpool's long history of ALWAYS having a fucking top notch free scoring striker despite the ability of the rest of the side, it's obvious that having a striker you can rely on is the obvious solution that presents itself.
 
I'm not a scout. Nor am I saying we have to buy one this window. We should have bought one in summer.

I'm simply making the point about the type of players we obviously require, and defending Dreamy from the usual pile-on.

My view hasn't changed since summer, and won't change until it has been resolved. I am aware of the difficulties of the market at any time, never mind January, but as I said, I'm not a scout, so I wouldn't have been clamouring for us to sign Suarez in the January window of 2011 either, as I had little knowledge of him.

If we should have bought one this summer then either Sturridge or Ings would have had to be sold. Or else it just wouldnt make sense given the amount of games we'll play and the squad size.

We definitely need one next summer though, as a replacement for Sturridge.
 
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But really, I genuinely don't fucking care who scores what, or when, or how the goals are spread out, as long as we win.


I'd say many on here genuinely don't care who in facts scores the goals and often try to debate whether we are better team with say Frimino up top as a whole or not but I don't believe you don't care who scores what?
You're always wheeling out who has scored and what player x's current goal tally is. Sometimes it's Costa, Zlatan or Aguero's goal tally if you want to prove that you need one striker who can score close to 20 league goals if you are to be successful in this league. Other times it's usually Mane to remind us he's our current highest goalscorer but that usually just an opportunity to have a go at Frimino who's goal tally you seem overly interested in.

You seem to genuinely care who scores what.
 
I'd say many on here genuinely don't care who in facts scores the goals and often try to debate whether we are better team with say Frimino up top as a whole or not but I don't believe you don't care who scores what?
You're always wheeling out who has scored and what player x's current goal tally is. Sometimes it's Costa, Zlatan or Aguero's goal tally if you want to prove that you need one striker who can score close to 20 league goals if you are to be successful in this league. Other times it's usually Mane to remind us he's our current highest goalscorer but that usually just an opportunity to have a go at Frimino who's goal tally you seem overly interested in.

You seem to genuinely care who scores what.

Only when they don't score enough
 
Klopp "For sure, a lot of things will happen in the summer to strengthen our squad. But in this moment, if there’s the right player
and we can get him, we will do it. If not, it makes no sense.”
 
My Dearest Bitches

This entire discussion has bought out the c*nt in all of us to a degree, it has revealed those who have become deluded with our current position in the PL, and those that see the bigger picture. I must take blame for starting all this by saying we needed a player with some "ompth", and then @Dreambeliever (and @manwithnoname ) explaining it in a much better way than I ever could. However, it seems that even their reasoned approach to explaining why we need to sign someone special is failing to impress upon those deluded individuals. As explained already we as a team are where we are mainly as a collective - but ask yourself these questions:-

1) What scares you about the opposition we face
2) How hard have we worked to get to our position now compared to the team above us and the those that are a few points below us
3) How can opposing teams limit our so called great 'individuals' that play for us

I will answer these questions:-

On Point(1) - I see players in the other top teams who have a couple of players at least that can attack opposing defenders with pace. We have one that just about fills that role in Mane. Don't tell me Coutinhio is one of those players - if anything he can easily be stopped if they prevent him from finding the area where he likes to shoot from - he is inconsistent at best. Chelsea's Hazard, and to a certain extent Willian can run at pace, and create something out of nothing, Arsenal can also do that with their pacey young players, and so can City, and so can Spurs with effective use of their fullbacks, and Anthony Martial plus Rashford scare the shit out of me when they have the ball. You know why ? - because they can run at you and get into dangerous areas to create havoc.

On Point(2) - We need to keep possession, move, pass constantly to defend and attack, our rivals don't need to do that to the same level we do. Therefore our holding onto second place is like Rocky Balboa in the movies - all bloodied and fucked up just to stand while our rivals can do it with relative ease and without exhausting their players. If you have those pacey skill full runners then they alone can take the pressure out of a complicated build up play. In other words we are on thin ice. That is why if we play badly as a collective then we have no chance of winning. For those of you who have run a business - think of it as manning an office or shop with good staff but not enough people so they are working twice as hard, and covering each others roles when needed. Contrast this with an office/shop where there are a large number of employees at the right level - those people won't be worked so hard like the former. I actually think that those players who have previously worked for Klopp are not shouting to join him because they know they will have to work twice as hard than being in one of the other top team because of what he expects.

On Point (3) - Many times it seems to easy to stop us in the final third. We don't have a strong standing presence up front who fight, we have skill tempered with slow pace (except for Mane). Klopp is trying to get the best out of our players but they are limited really as shown in the last two seasons, and constantly on the edge of inconsistency.

I said before the Southampton game we were going to lose 1-0 or 3-0 - I got criticized but I was right because I could see that without Mane we have no one that a decent opposition defense will be put on alert over. I really think we have ZERO chance of getting anything at United on Sunday - and I really hope I am wrong.

MORON
 
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