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Thanks to those confirming my points. We spend less in total than numerous clubs, you can't divorce fees from wages as they both go to make total spend.
During Rafa's stay Arsenal, Everton and Villa have won next to nothing.
Oh yeah, and Arsenal's wage bill is higher than ours anyway.
Cash counts, and claiming trophies have been won under Rafa as in spite of him is a bit juvenile, no?
It's almost as if expectations exceed reality. Surely not, eh?
More cash to match expectations, I say.
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Have you got any facts and figures to back this supposition up ?
Realiable figures for wage bills are difficult to come by, but the last reliable ones I saw had the Arsenal wage bill higher than our and it was mainly on account of a 10m loyalty bonus paid to Henry.
That said if you take wage bills + transfer fees we've still outspent Arsenal in Rafa's time here. There's probably not a huge difference between us and United, given how low their net transfer spend is. Chelsea are an exceptional case, Man City are becoming another one.
Nobody expects us to win the league every season, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that when Chelsea and United slip up the way they did last season that we should be able to push our advantage home instead of not winning against shite teams thanks largely to overcautious approaches to the games.
Do you reckon Lyon and Fiorentina spend more than us too ?
Our spending over the last five years is probably in the top 10 in Europe, we're certainly not in the Europe top 10 at the moment.
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Facts and figures are from:
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/article/b698526bd32fb110VgnVCM100000ba42f00aRCRD.htm
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploads/assets/docstore/2009_annual_report.pdf
The supposition about Spurs and Man City is from an accountant friends reading of the source above and general consensus that Citeh are spending and paying more than us (no links I'm afraid).
I concur that we should be able to take advantage of slip ups by others and indeed we did finish 2nd last year so we fulfilled that criteria.
Given all that I think we should come to the realisation that cash is king and we are likely to fall further behind (I'm told that both Villa and Sunderlands spends are increasing) and to get better we need more quality players and thus better finances before we need a change of Manager in my opinion.
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Well, you have certainly done your homework Jexy.
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Yeah, seems to have gone very quiet haha.
It's plain to see that if you pay nearly double as Chelsea do, a third more if you're Man U or 12+% more if you are Arsenal then it's going to be easier to recruit top flight players. Factor in Citeh and Spurs and we are well down the money list and I think our League position reflects it.
Whichever way you do your sums, in total; we don't have sufficient financial clout to attract the best players. We might consider ourselves special but I suspect many players will be more interested in their bank balance. I don't envy Benitez' task in signingpremium players which is what he needs.
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38729.msg1048426#msg1048426 date=1265186465]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38729.msg1048409#msg1048409 date=1265182563]
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=38729.msg1047945#msg1047945 date=1265099547]
Thanks to those confirming my points. We spend less in total than numerous clubs, you can't divorce fees from wages as they both go to make total spend.
During Rafa's stay Arsenal, Everton and Villa have won next to nothing.
Oh yeah, and Arsenal's wage bill is higher than ours anyway.
Cash counts, and claiming trophies have been won under Rafa as in spite of him is a bit juvenile, no?
It's almost as if expectations exceed reality. Surely not, eh?
More cash to match expectations, I say.
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Have you got any facts and figures to back this supposition up ?
Realiable figures for wage bills are difficult to come by, but the last reliable ones I saw had the Arsenal wage bill higher than our and it was mainly on account of a 10m loyalty bonus paid to Henry.
That said if you take wage bills + transfer fees we've still outspent Arsenal in Rafa's time here. There's probably not a huge difference between us and United, given how low their net transfer spend is. Chelsea are an exceptional case, Man City are becoming another one.
Nobody expects us to win the league every season, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that when Chelsea and United slip up the way they did last season that we should be able to push our advantage home instead of not winning against shite teams thanks largely to overcautious approaches to the games.
Do you reckon Lyon and Fiorentina spend more than us too ?
Our spending over the last five years is probably in the top 10 in Europe, we're certainly not in the Europe top 10 at the moment.
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Facts and figures are from:
http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/article/b698526bd32fb110VgnVCM100000ba42f00aRCRD.htm
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploads/assets/docstore/2009_annual_report.pdf
The supposition about Spurs and Man City is from an accountant friends reading of the source above and general consensus that Citeh are spending and paying more than us (no links I'm afraid).
I concur that we should be able to take advantage of slip ups by others and indeed we did finish 2nd last year so we fulfilled that criteria.
Given all that I think we should come to the realisation that cash is king and we are likely to fall further behind (I'm told that both Villa and Sunderlands spends are increasing) and to get better we need more quality players and thus better finances before we need a change of Manager in my opinion.
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Well, you have certainly done your homework Jexy.
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Yeah, seems to have gone very quiet haha.
It's plain to see that if you pay nearly double as Chelsea do, a third more if you're Man U or 12+% more if you are Arsenal then it's going to be easier to recruit top flight players. Factor in Citeh and Spurs and we are well down the money list and I think our League position reflects it.
Whichever way you do your sums, in total; we don't have sufficient financial clout to attract the best players. We might consider ourselves special but I suspect many players will be more interested in their bank balance. I don't envy Benitez' task in signingpremium players which is what he needs.
