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[quote author=Billy Bollocks link=topic=34869.msg913403#msg913403 date=1248779215]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=34869.msg913400#msg913400 date=1248779140]
4M Euros apparently.
Parry is useless
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The Parry stuff was funny about 5 years ago.
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I still find it funny 😉
We're about to lose Arbeloa and Dossena + Aurelio is injured. GJ is not fit yet.
That leaves Degen and Insua as fullbacks.
Not very reassuring
 
Do you see dead people?

We've replaced one out going RB with another, who has a slight achiles strain, and got our money back on a shit LB who barely played. Hardly suicide material.
 
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34869.msg913468#msg913468 date=1248782441]
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
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Arbeloa was ok at RB Anita. The cover he provided at LB and CB was poor and certainly no better than we already have. I wouldnt have minded keeping him as 2nd choice RB, but I think he wants the move anyway
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34869.msg913468#msg913468 date=1248782441]
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
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I agree.
A good squadie to have as he is versatile.
Also, as Keni said, what is the point of losing him for a couple of mil?
If we get a good offer, the rumoured €8 mil would be sweet, then yeah, it'll make business sense.
 
Well looks like Arbeloa is on his way, cheers for the time he spent here.

Did quiet well given most of us had no idea who he was upon arrival.

Good luck to him at Madrid also.

Still, it pisses me off that we are selling a decent player in Arbeloa and possibly our classy Xabi Alonso to a side who we fucking smashed in Europe last season.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=34869.msg913474#msg913474 date=1248783301]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34869.msg913468#msg913468 date=1248782441]
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
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Arbeloa was ok at RB Anita. The cover he provided at LB and CB was poor and certainly no better than we already have. I wouldnt have minded keeping him as 2nd choice RB, but I think he wants the move anyway
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Don't agree about him being bad cover at left abck anyway. He had some very good performances for us in that position.
 
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34869.msg913468#msg913468 date=1248782441]
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
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Simply because he wants to leave. He'll go for nothing in a year if we don't get rid now.
Everyone seems sure that Degen and Darby are not even acceptable as back up (personally I haven't seen much evidence of this, and you can get away with a lot at full back anyway).
If however they are really not good enough then we will need to get another right back in at some point anyway. Surely better to do it when we can get money for Arbeloa rather than next year when we will have to use money that can be spent elsewhere.

Arbeloa is good, but he's not so great that its worth essentially paying however much his transfer fee would be just to have him for one season.
 
I don't agree. Without him we have no reliably adequate back-up for Johnson that I can see. Darby MIGHT be good enough in some games, but those who've seen more of him than I have seem divided on that subject, and as for Degen - well, sh!te on a free is still sh!te.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=34869.msg913474#msg913474 date=1248783301]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34869.msg913468#msg913468 date=1248782441]
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
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Arbeloa was ok at RB Anita. The cover he provided at LB and CB was poor and certainly no better than we already have. I wouldnt have minded keeping him as 2nd choice RB, but I think he wants the move anyway
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I'm not sure whether you're trying to soften the blow but your memory is selective at best. Arbeloa was excellent when he covered the left back position following his arrival (so much so that some were questioning whether it was his natural position) and bar a handful of bad performances he's been a very solid player for us. He is an excellent squad option who can cover both fullback positions very competently. Unless we're getting a decent sum for him I don't see the point in selling him at all.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913523#msg913523 date=1248786179]
I don't agree. Without him we have no reliably adequate back-up for Johnson that I can see. Darby MIGHT be good enough in some games, but those who've seen more of him than I have seem divided on that subject, and as for Degen - well, sh!te on a free is still sh!te.
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Okay, well in that case the problem will still exist next summer won't it? Whether he is shit or not Degen won't get any better, and if he won't get games this season then neither will Darby.
If we keep Arbeloa for this year we will still need to buy a full back in a year's time, but will have less money to do so.
Whatever we get for Arbeloa it must be enough to buy a back up fucking right back!!
 
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=34869.msg913474#msg913474 date=1248783301]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34869.msg913468#msg913468 date=1248782441]
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
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Arbeloa was ok at RB Anita. The cover he provided at LB and CB was poor and certainly no better than we already have. I wouldnt have minded keeping him as 2nd choice RB, but I think he wants the move anyway
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I'm not sure whether you're trying to soften the blow but your memory is selective at best. Arbeloa was excellent when he covered the left back position following his arrival (so much so that some were questioning whether it was his natural position) and bar a handful of bad performances he's been a very solid player for us. He is an excellent squad option who can cover both fullback positions very competently. Unless we're getting a decent sum for him I don't see the point in selling him at all.

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Spot on
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34869.msg913528#msg913528 date=1248786519]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913523#msg913523 date=1248786179]
I don't agree. Without him we have no reliably adequate back-up for Johnson that I can see. Darby MIGHT be good enough in some games, but those who've seen more of him than I have seem divided on that subject, and as for Degen - well, sh!te on a free is still sh!te.
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Okay, well in that case the problem will still exist next summer won't it? Whether he is shit or not Degen won't get any better, and if he won't get games this season then neither will Darby.
If we keep Arbeloa for this year we will still need to buy a full back in a year's time, but will have less money to do so.
Whatever we get for Arbeloa it must be enough to buy a back up fucking right back!!
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I accept that holding on to him is a risk, but to me the point would be twofold - not only retaining his services for another season but also using that time to find the replacement we're going to need (as you rightly say) whenever he does go. I don't think it's nailed on that we'd have less money to spend either - IMO that would depend on how much money we take in during the season to come, which in turn is dependent on how well we do on the pitch, which I think will be helped if Arby stays.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913536#msg913536 date=1248786844]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34869.msg913528#msg913528 date=1248786519]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913523#msg913523 date=1248786179]
I don't agree. Without him we have no reliably adequate back-up for Johnson that I can see. Darby MIGHT be good enough in some games, but those who've seen more of him than I have seem divided on that subject, and as for Degen - well, sh!te on a free is still sh!te.
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Okay, well in that case the problem will still exist next summer won't it? Whether he is shit or not Degen won't get any better, and if he won't get games this season then neither will Darby.
If we keep Arbeloa for this year we will still need to buy a full back in a year's time, but will have less money to do so.
Whatever we get for Arbeloa it must be enough to buy a back up fucking right back!!
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I accept that holding on to him is a risk, but to me the point would be twofold - not only retaining his services for another season but also using that time to find the replacement we're going to need (as you rightly say) whenever he does go. I don't think it's nailed on that we'd have less money to spend either - IMO that would depend on how much money we take in during the season to come, which in turn is dependent on how well we do on the pitch, which I think will be helped if Arby stays.
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Pretty much JJ, though it's not really been mentioned how much Arby wants the move. If it's a case of the player wanting to go back to Spain then there's not much we can do I'd reckon, especially on the back of us just signing a player who's obviously going to be getting playing time ahead of him.
 
Fair points, mark. What with rotation, likely vacancies at LB etc.I'm not sure Arby would end up playing many (if any) fewer games than Johnson, but if he wants to go badly enough that certainly is a factor.

BTW if Arby, Mascher and Xabi want to leave because of wanting to go home (or, in Mascher's case, move to a Spanish-speaking environment), does this have implications for our future transfer policy as a whole?
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913536#msg913536 date=1248786844]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34869.msg913528#msg913528 date=1248786519]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913523#msg913523 date=1248786179]
I don't agree. Without him we have no reliably adequate back-up for Johnson that I can see. Darby MIGHT be good enough in some games, but those who've seen more of him than I have seem divided on that subject, and as for Degen - well, sh!te on a free is still sh!te.
[/quote]

Okay, well in that case the problem will still exist next summer won't it? Whether he is shit or not Degen won't get any better, and if he won't get games this season then neither will Darby.
If we keep Arbeloa for this year we will still need to buy a full back in a year's time, but will have less money to do so.
Whatever we get for Arbeloa it must be enough to buy a back up fucking right back!!
[/quote]

I accept that holding on to him is a risk, but to me the point would be twofold - not only retaining his services for another season but also using that time to find the replacement we're going to need (as you rightly say) whenever he does go. I don't think it's nailed on that we'd have less money to spend either - IMO that would depend on how much money we take in during the season to come, which in turn is dependent on how well we do on the pitch, which I think will be helped if Arby stays.
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spot on jules.
 
If we've sold a very goodand versatile player for 4 million euros then whoever is in charge of our transfers is an idiot
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913545#msg913545 date=1248787318]
Fair points, mark. What with rotation, likely vacancies at LB etc.I'm not sure Arby would end up playing many (if any) fewer games than Johnson, but if he wants to go badly enough that certainly is a factor.

BTW if Arby, Mascher and Xabi want to leave because of wanting to go home (or, in Mascher's case, move to a Spanish-speaking environment), does this have implications for our future transfer policy as a whole?
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I think it should do, in terms of mentality perhaps. Rafa should definitely do his homework on player mentalities and how likely they are to struggle to adapt to the culture, aswell as their families etc, we've had this before with Kromkamp and it's been rumoured to be an issue with Garcia, Lucas, Skrtel, Alonso, Masher and Arbeloa.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg913549#msg913549 date=1248787437]
If we've sold a very goodand versatile player for 4 million euros then whoever is in charge of our transfers is an idiot
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fuck you parry!
yes yes it's been done to death but I don't bore easily 😀
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34869.msg913553#msg913553 date=1248787552]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913545#msg913545 date=1248787318]
Fair points, mark. What with rotation, likely vacancies at LB etc.I'm not sure Arby would end up playing many (if any) fewer games than Johnson, but if he wants to go badly enough that certainly is a factor.

BTW if Arby, Mascher and Xabi want to leave because of wanting to go home (or, in Mascher's case, move to a Spanish-speaking environment), does this have implications for our future transfer policy as a whole?
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I think it should do, in terms of mentality perhaps. Rafa should definitely do his homework on player mentalities and how likely they are to struggle to adapt the culture, aswell as their families etc, we've had this before with Kromkamp and it's been rumoured to be an issue with Garcia, Lucas, Skrtel, Alonso, Masher and Arbeloa.


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simply, you can't. after a few years (some) people want a new challenge. how many people on this board have been at their job more than five years?
 
I believe he did say he wanted to leave didn't he? Obviously if he changes his mind during the course of the season and signs a new deal then that is the best case scenario but considering he says he wants to go and we can assume he won't be first choice then I can't see that happening.

I think you rate Arbeloa a lot more highly than I do. I think he is pretty good but at the same time I think we can get someone in just as good to fill the role that I assume he will be asked to play.

There is talk about left back but personally I think we are okay there. When he is fit Aurelio is a good left back and Insua has shown enough to be considered a decent option there.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34869.msg913559#msg913559 date=1248787746]
I believe he did say he wanted to leave didn't he? Obviously if he changes his mind during the course of the season and signs a new deal then that is the best case scenario but considering he says he wants to go and we can assume he won't be first choice then I can't see that happening.

I think you rate Arbeloa a lot more highly than I do. I think he is pretty good but at the same time I think we can get someone in just as good to fill the role that I assume he will be asked to play.

There is talk about left back but personally I think we are okay there. When he is fit Aurelio is a good left back and Insua has shown enough to be considered a decent option there.
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hmmm.. We had issues at the back last season in the early half of the campaign. As a team we often do, it seems to take us a couple of months to completely come to terms with our zonal marking strategy and it usually costs us goals.

I fear with uncertainty over who will start between Agger/Skrtel, the prospect of more rotation between the three available centre backs and us being thin on the ground at fullback (not to mention Insua and Johnson being more attack inclined) there could be some problems ahead for us in defence. And that's without mentioning the prospect of less defensive cover from midfield if Alonso goes.

Hopefully it won't cost us heavily over the course of the season.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34869.msg913564#msg913564 date=1248787970]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34869.msg913559#msg913559 date=1248787746]
I believe he did say he wanted to leave didn't he? Obviously if he changes his mind during the course of the season and signs a new deal then that is the best case scenario but considering he says he wants to go and we can assume he won't be first choice then I can't see that happening.

I think you rate Arbeloa a lot more highly than I do. I think he is pretty good but at the same time I think we can get someone in just as good to fill the role that I assume he will be asked to play.

There is talk about left back but personally I think we are okay there. When he is fit Aurelio is a good left back and Insua has shown enough to be considered a decent option there.
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hmmm.. We had issues at the back last season in the early half of the campaign. As a team we often do, it seems to take us a couple of months to completely come to terms with our zonal marking strategy and it usually costs us goals.

I fear with uncertainty over who will start between Agger/Skrtel, the prospect of more rotation between the three available centre backs and us being thin on the ground at fullback (not to mention Insua and Johnson being more attack inclined) there could be some problems ahead for us in defence. And that's without mentioning the prospect of less defensive cover from midfield if Alonso goes.

Hopefully it won't cost us heavily over the course of the season.
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I can't believe rafa hasn't at least 'tried' agger at left back.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=34869.msg913525#msg913525 date=1248786227]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=34869.msg913474#msg913474 date=1248783301]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34869.msg913468#msg913468 date=1248782441]
Why would anyone be happy to se Arbeloa go? I don't get it.

He's an excellent player to have in the squad, he can provide cover on the left and right as well as CB if required. He had a few bad games at the tail end of last season, but other than that he proved to be a very good signing, especially at £2million.
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Arbeloa was ok at RB Anita. The cover he provided at LB and CB was poor and certainly no better than we already have. I wouldnt have minded keeping him as 2nd choice RB, but I think he wants the move anyway
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I'm not sure whether you're trying to soften the blow but your memory is selective at best. Arbeloa was excellent when he covered the left back position following his arrival (so much so that some were questioning whether it was his natural position) and bar a handful of bad performances he's been a very solid player for us. He is an excellent squad option who can cover both fullback positions very competently. Unless we're getting a decent sum for him I don't see the point in selling him at all.

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Saved me typing it. Spot-on as per.
 
Neil, I have a vague memory of Rafa slotting Agger in at LB once last season after a substitution -can't remember which game, and he certainly hasn't done it again since. The way things seem to be going, though, it wouldn't surprise me much if it does happen next season.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913575#msg913575 date=1248788464]
Neil, I have a vague memory of Rafa slotting Agger in at LB once last season after a substitution -can't remember which game, and he certainly hasn't done it again since. The way things seem to be going, though, it wouldn't surprise me much if it does happen next season.
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you solve two problems;
a) cover for left back
b) skrtel and agger both get games
 
Arbeloa played at LB, what, twice?

Hardly a huge loss is he. Let him sit on the bench at Madrid if he wants to go, before they sell him on again to some mid table Spanish club.

I'm sure (hope) Rafa will have someone lined up.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg913582#msg913582 date=1248788754]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=34869.msg913575#msg913575 date=1248788464]
Neil, I have a vague memory of Rafa slotting Agger in at LB once last season after a substitution -can't remember which game, and he certainly hasn't done it again since. The way things seem to be going, though, it wouldn't surprise me much if it does happen next season.
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you solve two problems;
a) cover for left back
b) skrtel and agger both get games
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We have cover for left back already. We have Aurelio and Insua.

Carra has also played successfully across the back four when needed.
 
[quote author=Billy Bollocks link=topic=34869.msg913584#msg913584 date=1248788810]
Arbeloa played at LB, what, twice?

Hardly a huge loss is he. Let him sit on the bench at Madrid if he wants to go, before they sell him on again to some mid table Spanish club.

I'm sure (hope) Rafa will have someone lined up.
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Aye, cos his record with right-backs is boss n all.

- Thought Finnan was shite, so he...
- Dropped him for the 2.6M carcrash that was Josemi
- Then decided Jan Kromkamp was worth a go
- Before settling on Degen
- And playing Skrtel there

So, pretty much the only thing he's got right was Arbeloa. Whom he's now selling for peanuts.

That's without even going into how competent a player Arbeloa was/is.
 
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