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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34869.msg914735#msg914735 date=1248938554]
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=34869.msg914718#msg914718 date=1248935162]
Don't get me wrong, Keni is a good football forum poster but he does talk through his arse sometimes.

City = Madrid ? There's loads of other great cities to live in too. Barcelona is a cauldron of culture too if a player has the choice to choose between Real and Barca.

History = ? Oh yeah I'm gonna join a club cos of it's history. 'Doh. That will attract some but only a sentimentalist fool would assume that's high on the list of reasons to join Real in the first place. And btw, Anfield has an incredible history too...so your argument's fcuked from the start.

Stadium = ? Oh yeah, I would leave Anfield cos Bernabeu is bigger and the grass is greener. The same patch of grass that Xabi and Arbeloa stamped their feet on and made Real's defenders quiver and stumble onto. It's also the same patch where Xabi and co probably spat on.

Fame = ? It dont matter which fcuking club I play for, if I'm paid a gazillion pounds a week I'd be famous even if I play for Accrington Stanley so stfu. And if I ain't, I'd give my agent the flippin boot.

Top players = ? Ok I'll give you that but seriously would you join a club cos all the top players play there ? Fair enough, I might. Many might. But then again, I'm sure the thought of the recent failure of the Galactico project with the same president in charge would have carried some weight as well.

Likely honours to follow = ? What likely honours ? Unless you're so desperate to win the La Liga, whom Real have won like once in the last 5 years or so, then yeah maybe Real is your next best stop but oh wait....you forgot about the much improved Barcelona who won the treble last season being your greatest challengers, so nothing's a walkover. And the previous Galacticos were miles better, all legendary players in their own right - Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo, R. Carlos, and other good players such as Beckham, Owen, Mcmanaman and etc....yet they couldn't win the CL (ok Macca did but you get the point)
[/quote]So you dont think theres an attraction playing for the most succesful team in Europe, and the richest club in the world in one of europes most beautiful cities for a kings ransom?
Hmmm!
For the record Real have won 2 of the last 3 League titles not 1 in 5, and the Galacticos won TWO european cups. 1 at the start and then the Zidane final in Glasgow. They also won 2 League titles and a Kings cup. I agree with some of.....actually no i dont, your talking out of your arse, Madrid is, was and always will be a MASSIVE draw for any top footballer.
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Ex-fucking-actly.

It is totally and utterly retarded not to consider the whole Madrid package, especially when considered through the eyes of a Spaniard.


Ross' endorsements are coming cheaper and cheaper
 
I think many people are guilty of judging Arbeloa and Alonso by the standards of a Liverpool fan, and not as professional footballers who hail from Spain. It's only natural that they would want to play for the biggest club in their home country, rather than one abroad.

And let's face it, waking up to beautiful sunshine every day has got to be a bonus.
 
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=34869.msg914718#msg914718 date=1248935162]
City = Madrid ? There's loads of other great cities to live in too. Barcelona is a cauldron of culture too if a player has the choice to choose between Real and Barca.[/quote]
barca aren't in for xabi so it's not worth mentoning them.



[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=34869.msg914718#msg914718 date=1248935162]

History = ? Oh yeah I'm gonna join a club cos of it's history. 'Doh. That will attract some but only a sentimentalist fool would assume that's high on the list of reasons to join Real in the first place. And btw, Anfield has an incredible history too...so your argument's fcuked from the start.

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liverpool do indeed have a history but no one can deny the history of madrid (9 time european cup winners) history is ONE of the reason which can be thrown on the pile of the other reason which makes madrid an attractive propersition.


[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=34869.msg914718#msg914718 date=1248935162]
Stadium = ? Oh yeah, I would leave Anfield cos Bernabeu is bigger and the grass is greener. The same patch of grass that Xabi and Arbeloa stamped their feet on and made Real's defenders quiver and stumble onto. It's also the same patch where Xabi and co probably spat on.
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not worht mentioning last year's hammering, real didn't have ronaldo, kaka and benzema, like it or not real are a MUCH more exciting project then they were a year ago.



[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=34869.msg914718#msg914718 date=1248935162]

Fame = ? It dont matter which fcuking club I play for, if I'm paid a gazillion pounds a week I'd be famous even if I play for Accrington Stanley so stfu. And if I ain't, I'd give my agent the flippin boot.

Top players = ? Ok I'll give you that but seriously would you join a club cos all the top players play there ? Fair enough, I might. Many might. But then again, I'm sure the thought of the recent failure of the Galactico project with the same president in charge would have carried some weight as well.

Likely honours to follow = ? What likely honours ? Unless you're so desperate to win the La Liga, whom Real have won like once in the last 5 years or so, then yeah maybe Real is your next best stop but oh wait....you forgot about the much improved Barcelona who won the treble last season being your greatest challengers, so nothing's a walkover. And the previous Galacticos were miles better, all legendary players in their own right - Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo, R. Carlos, and other good players such as Beckham, Owen, Mcmanaman and etc....yet they couldn't win the CL (ok Macca did but you get the point)

Also, would you like to go through every season not knowing if the manager you've grown attached and accustomed to, might be sacked cos he only won the La Liga and not the treble or whatever ?


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madrid have a fantastic marketing machine which sees them aquire huge sums of money oversees from shirt sales. real are officially the most profitable club in the world (recently overtaking manu.

and there is a certain pretige that comes with playing in the famous lille white of madrid.



obviously we want xabi to stay, there is a lot of attraction that comes with playing for liverpool but let's not make out madrid don't look like an exciting project currently, they've just bought two of best players in the world and one of the most promising youngsters in the world and not only that the weather is hotting and he will be closer to his family which will probably please his misses no end.

I personally thought keni's post was succint and to the point, there are LOADS of reasons why alonso would want to join madrid let's not kid ourselves.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg914568#msg914568 date=1248898242]
once again madrid fuck us over with a transfer fee.

i await to see alonso sold for 20 million headlines sometime soon.

no way would we be able to buy an english international fullback for 3.5 million. infact we just paid 17 million for one that is yet to be proven at this level.
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Again with the "why do we get fucked more than anyone else for transfer fees" yadda yadda yadda. Fucking hell, it used to be Parry's fault, who are we going to blame now? Oh yeah, thanks Ross, Rafa.

Simple fact is that we got the player on the cheap, got a couple of good years out of him, and now when the club in his home country who he grew up with comes knocking were not going to accept a million more on the transfer fee? Give me a break.

Can you imagine the message that would send to the rest of the squad? And dont suggest that in someway it would be a macho stance against the might of Madrid.

"Oh, by the way Alvi were not let you join your boyhood heroes (for a million more than we paid for you in the last year of your contract), even though weve just signed England's best right back, beacuse we'd like to keep you as backup. Oh yeah careers are pretty short, your dream club may only come knocking once, but suck it up lid were Liverpool - and do try and keep a brave face on things in the changies, cant have you unsettling your spanish buddies now can we".

Fuck. Off.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914773#msg914773 date=1248941626]
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg914568#msg914568 date=1248898242]
once again madrid fuck us over with a transfer fee.

i await to see alonso sold for 20 million headlines sometime soon.

no way would we be able to buy an english international fullback for 3.5 million. infact we just paid 17 million for one that is yet to be proven at this level.
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Again with the "why do we get fucked more than anyone else for transfer fees" yadda yadda yadda. Fucking hell, it used to be Parry's fault, who are we going to blame now? Oh yeah, thanks Ross, Rafa.

Simple fact is that we got the player on the cheap, got a couple of good years out of him, and now when the club in his home country who he grew up with comes knocking were not going to accept a million more on the transfer fee? Give me a break.

Can you imagine the message that would send to the rest of the squad? And dont suggest that in someway it would be a macho stance against the might of Madrid.

"Oh, by the way Alvi were not let you join your boyhood heroes (for a million more than we paid for you in the last year of your contract), even though weve just signed England's best right back, beacuse we'd like to keep you as backup. Oh yeah careers are pretty short, your dream club may only come knocking once, but suck it up lid were Liverpool - and do try and keep a brave face on things in the changies, cant have you unsettling your spanish buddies now can we".

Fuck. Off.
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Bang on.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914773#msg914773 date=1248941626]
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg914568#msg914568 date=1248898242]
once again madrid fuck us over with a transfer fee.

i await to see alonso sold for 20 million headlines sometime soon.

no way would we be able to buy an english international fullback for 3.5 million. infact we just paid 17 million for one that is yet to be proven at this level.
[/quote]

Again with the "why do we get fucked more than anyone else for transfer fees" yadda yadda yadda. Fucking hell, it used to be Parry's fault, who are we going to blame now? Oh yeah, thanks Ross, Rafa.

Simple fact is that we got the player on the cheap, got a couple of good years out of him, and now when the club in his home country who he grew up with comes knocking were not going to accept a million more on the transfer fee? Give me a break.

Can you imagine the message that would send to the rest of the squad? And dont suggest that in someway it would be a macho stance against the might of Madrid.

"Oh, by the way Alvi were not let you join your boyhood heroes (for a million more than we paid for you in the last year of your contract), even though weve just signed England's best right back, beacuse we'd like to keep you as backup. Oh yeah careers are pretty short, your dream club may only come knocking once, but suck it up lid were Liverpool - and do try and keep a brave face on things in the changies, cant have you unsettling your spanish buddies now can we".

Fuck. Off.
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It's one thing to claim that the fact that his valuation is fair because he wants to leave, only has one destination in mind, only has one year left on his contract, has effectively been replaced, or possibly even that Alonso will also be going. You can claim you think that his valuation is fair, given the circumstances, and that to dig our heels in would be a stupid counterproductive macho stance.

But the idea that we have to respect his desire due to his personal feelings isn't something even Arbeloa himself is stupid enough to think. You seem to be flirting with this idea. As he said, we act in our interests, he acts in his, Real acts in theirs. There is no sentimentality here. The only question is in that three party game, are we doing alright given the situation, and why did we let this situation happen anyway?

We are achieving a profit because we've drastically raised Arbeloa's stature in world football. He was undervalued before and over the last years his real value has increased, including his playing internationally.

We aren't getting horribly ripped off, but we also haven't done that well selling him for 3.5M if that is the final figure. It's hardly something to go into histrionics about, but it wasn't a great piece of business.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914773#msg914773 date=1248941626]
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg914568#msg914568 date=1248898242]
once again madrid fuck us over with a transfer fee.

i await to see alonso sold for 20 million headlines sometime soon.

no way would we be able to buy an english international fullback for 3.5 million. infact we just paid 17 million for one that is yet to be proven at this level.
[/quote]

Again with the "why do we get fucked more than anyone else for transfer fees" yadda yadda yadda. Fucking hell, it used to be Parry's fault, who are we going to blame now? Oh yeah, thanks Ross, Rafa.

Simple fact is that we got the player on the cheap, got a couple of good years out of him, and now when the club in his home country who he grew up with comes knocking were not going to accept a million more on the transfer fee? Give me a break.

Can you imagine the message that would send to the rest of the squad? And dont suggest that in someway it would be a macho stance against the might of Madrid.

"Oh, by the way Alvi were not let you join your boyhood heroes (for a million more than we paid for you in the last year of your contract), even though weve just signed England's best right back, beacuse we'd like to keep you as backup. Oh yeah careers are pretty short, your dream club may only come knocking once, but suck it up lid were Liverpool - and do try and keep a brave face on things in the changies, cant have you unsettling your spanish buddies now can we".

Fuck. Off.
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who says arbeloa would have been a back up?

oh and the back up bit, do you think he'll get more games in madrid? really?

god job utd don't share your philosophy in transfer fees else they'll have sold ronaldo for 15 odd million.

most comparable player to the arbeloa situation is heinze maybe, don't remember utd selling him for 3.5million

and finally when did we make decisions in the best interest of the player rather than the club?

we've been done over again by madrid, no use telling me to fuck off for pointing out the obvious.
 
Spot on, Farky.

I'm not sure how much blame we can shoulder for it though. Arbeloa has been reported unsettled for sometime and he's probably flat-out refused a contract.

That said, we should've either replaced him last year or let him leave on a free next summer, IMO. But we'll be able to pick up a decent defender with the Arbeloa and Dossena fees so I'm not too bothered.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34869.msg914792#msg914792 date=1248943070]
we'll be able to pick up a decent defender with the Arbeloa and Dossena fees so I'm not too bothered.
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For every Arbeloa, and Aurelio, there's a Josemi, and a Kromkamp. That's being charitable and leaving Dossena out of it.
 
Blind hope is all I'm clinging onto this summer. 

He's had the time to draw up a good list of alternatives; I reckon he knew he wanted Dossena out before Christmas and in all likelihood knew Arbeloa wasn't going to sign a new contract. We'll bring in someone good, I'm sure of it.
 
It isn't the worst either Farky. People are of the assumption he's something like a £10m right back and we've just been skinned for less than half.

Alot of fans on here don't even rate him too highly, he's a steady Eddie fullback who's done a sound defensive job for a big club and thus been recognised for it at International level, not necessarily because of some outstanding ability, but because he was doing a reasonable job at a big club.

The haggling over this was always going to be a touch negligible, it was never going to be anything else was it really for a player of his status and the manner in which he's become saleable.

No it's not a great piece of business, but I don't think we were in a position to keep him against his will, there is some warmth and consideration still left in the game, at this club anyway. 3yrs of good solid service and £1m profit for a player in his last year of his contract. Ho hum.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34869.msg914800#msg914800 date=1248943480]
It isn't the worst either Farky. People are of the assumption he's something like a £10m right back and we've just been skinned for less than half.
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That's what I was trying to say with "We aren't getting horribly ripped off, but we also haven't done that well selling him for 3.5M if that is the final figure. It isn't something worth getting into histrionics about"
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=34869.msg914804#msg914804 date=1248943673]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34869.msg914800#msg914800 date=1248943480]
It isn't the worst either Farky. People are of the assumption he's something like a £10m right back and we've just been skinned for less than half.
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That's what I was trying to say with "We aren't getting horribly ripped off, but we also haven't done that well selling him for 3.5M if that is the final figure. It isn't something worth getting into histrionics about"
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Yeah fair enough, it's people like Rage getting all hysterical about it which is particularly boring.
 
we've been done over by madrid again mark, i'd rather have seen arbeloa go for 3.5 million to any other spanish club.

the same will happen with alonso imo.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg914814#msg914814 date=1248944097]
we've been done over by madrid again mark, i'd rather have seen arbeloa go for 3.5 million to any other spanish club.

the same will happen with alonso imo.
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Well, in both cases the player expressed an incredibly strong desire to leave. In Alonso's case he handed in a transfer request.

I think the figure will be a compromise between our two offers.

Again, the million or two pounds either way will prove less relevant to our aspirations than our decision of who we buy from now on in. The shit part is the timing. Any team we deal with has a hard deadline to use as leverage, and knows we NEED a replacement.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg914814#msg914814 date=1248944097]
we've been done over by madrid again mark, i'd rather have seen arbeloa go for 3.5 million to any other spanish club.

the same will happen with alonso imo.
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If it happens with Alonso then questions rightly need to be asked, but what fee are we talking about? Just because we've asked for £35m it doesn't mean that £30m isn't a good fee, it's twice what he was available for 12 months ago and he's pushing 28 now too.

I'm not really devastated over the Arbeloa fee though.

One of the reasons we've done well with fees received of late is that our starting price is hiked up to ensure we end up with a reasonable fee. The beginning asking price for Crouch last season was alot more than the £12m we eventually received.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=34869.msg914814#msg914814 date=1248944097]
we've been done over by madrid again mark, i'd rather have seen arbeloa go for 3.5 million to any other spanish club.

the same will happen with alonso imo.
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We're talking here about two room mates - one of whom we hawked round for 15m last summer to anyone who was perpeared to listen, and the other whom we have just replaced with the 24yr old England right back (and who is in the last year of his contract, and who is depserate to join them). In what way are we getting fucked over?

Its one thing to dig your heels in over an unsolicited approach for one of your best players, its entirely another to do it to a pivotal member of the dressing room who in all likelihood will be warming the bench for much of the year.

We didnt even really get screwed by Madrid over Owen either - it was the player rather than the signing club doing the screwing
 
bob's value (imho) is 5-7 million, he is a regular in the spain team that has just wont the european championship. Hopefully everyone will stay fit next season (HA!) if not and we're having to play center backs at fullback (skrtel *shudder*) selling a useful squad player will look very foolish indeed. I advocate we take the 3.5 million put it in a sack and put it at right back instead, maybe it can stop some crosses coming in if the opposition attacker trips over it.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914834#msg914834 date=1248945644]
bob's value (imho) is 5-7 million, he is a regular in the spain team that has just wont the european championship. Hopefully everyone will stay fit next season (HA!) if not and we're having to play center backs at fullback (skrtel *shudder*) selling a useful squad player will look very foolish indeed. I advocate we take the 3.5 million put it in a sack and put it at right back instead, maybe it can stop some crosses coming in if the opposition attacker trips over it.
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Thats right Neil - fuck all the analytical argument over the last few pages, and you just stick to your Champ Manager approach. Tard.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914841#msg914841 date=1248946185]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914834#msg914834 date=1248945644]
bob's value (imho) is 5-7 million, he is a regular in the spain team that has just wont the european championship. Hopefully everyone will stay fit next season (HA!) if not and we're having to play center backs at fullback (skrtel *shudder*) selling a useful squad player will look very foolish indeed. I advocate we take the 3.5 million put it in a sack and put it at right back instead, maybe it can stop some crosses coming in if the opposition attacker trips over it.
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Thats right Neil - fuck all the analytical argument over the last few pages, and you just stick to your Champ Manager approach. Tard.
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what ARE you going on about? I'm stressing my opinion is that all right with you? I said what I think he is worth and that it may have been better to hold onto him for another year letting walk for free than selling for peanuts which may come to haunt us if we are hit badly with injuries. fuck off with the insults.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914847#msg914847 date=1248946337]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914841#msg914841 date=1248946185]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914834#msg914834 date=1248945644]
bob's value (imho) is 5-7 million, he is a regular in the spain team that has just wont the european championship. Hopefully everyone will stay fit next season (HA!) if not and we're having to play center backs at fullback (skrtel *shudder*) selling a useful squad player will look very foolish indeed. I advocate we take the 3.5 million put it in a sack and put it at right back instead, maybe it can stop some crosses coming in if the opposition attacker trips over it.
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Thats right Neil - fuck all the analytical argument over the last few pages, and you just stick to your Champ Manager approach. Tard.
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what ARE you going on about? I'm stressing my opinion is that all right with you? I said what I think he is worth and that it may have been better to hold onto him for another year letting walk for free than selling for peanuts which may come to haunt us if we are hit badly with injuries. fuck off with the insults.
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Neil, he wanted to go, he wanted to go last Summer too by all accounts and he has a year left on his contract. I'm don't want to see the club go big on sentiment, but respect is a two way street and he's probably earned the right to move on and have his big move. I was bitterly disappointed and not particularly happy with his comments yesterday but what can we do?

We've just paid £17m out on a younger, better player, we're not really in a position to make false promises.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34869.msg914854#msg914854 date=1248946518]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914847#msg914847 date=1248946337]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914841#msg914841 date=1248946185]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914834#msg914834 date=1248945644]
bob's value (imho) is 5-7 million, he is a regular in the spain team that has just wont the european championship. Hopefully everyone will stay fit next season (HA!) if not and we're having to play center backs at fullback (skrtel *shudder*) selling a useful squad player will look very foolish indeed. I advocate we take the 3.5 million put it in a sack and put it at right back instead, maybe it can stop some crosses coming in if the opposition attacker trips over it.
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Thats right Neil - fuck all the analytical argument over the last few pages, and you just stick to your Champ Manager approach. Tard.
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what ARE you going on about? I'm stressing my opinion is that all right with you? I said what I think he is worth and that it may have been better to hold onto him for another year letting walk for free than selling for peanuts which may come to haunt us if we are hit badly with injuries. fuck off with the insults.
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Neil, he wanted to go, he wanted to go last Summer too by all accounts and he has a year left on his contract. I'm don't want to see the club go big on sentiment, but respect is a two way street and he's probably earned the right to move on and have his big move. I was bitterly disappointed and not particularly happy with his comments yesterday but what can we do?

We've just paid £17m out on a younger, better player, we're not really in a position to make false promises.
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I know the reasons he has gone, and we as a club will have to deal with any injuries if they happen, hopefully we have enough depth to cope. I wish bob well he was a good servent who got his head down and just got on with things. we need the likes of degen and darby to step up because I definately don't was to see a center back at fullback for whatever reason (well maybe agger but he plays like a fullback anyway).
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914847#msg914847 date=1248946337]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914841#msg914841 date=1248946185]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914834#msg914834 date=1248945644]
bob's value (imho) is 5-7 million, he is a regular in the spain team that has just wont the european championship. Hopefully everyone will stay fit next season (HA!) if not and we're having to play center backs at fullback (skrtel *shudder*) selling a useful squad player will look very foolish indeed. I advocate we take the 3.5 million put it in a sack and put it at right back instead, maybe it can stop some crosses coming in if the opposition attacker trips over it.
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Thats right Neil - fuck all the analytical argument over the last few pages, and you just stick to your Champ Manager approach. Tard.
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what ARE you going on about? I'm stressing my opinion is that all right with you? I said what I think he is worth and that it may have been better to hold onto him for another year letting walk for free than selling for peanuts which may come to haunt us if we are hit badly with injuries. fuck off with the insults.
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And the multitude of reasons why we havent done that are all included in the posts above - do try and keep up love.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914847#msg914847 date=1248946337]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=34869.msg914841#msg914841 date=1248946185]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34869.msg914834#msg914834 date=1248945644]
bob's value (imho) is 5-7 million, he is a regular in the spain team that has just wont the european championship. Hopefully everyone will stay fit next season (HA!) if not and we're having to play center backs at fullback (skrtel *shudder*) selling a useful squad player will look very foolish indeed. I advocate we take the 3.5 million put it in a sack and put it at right back instead, maybe it can stop some crosses coming in if the opposition attacker trips over it.
[/quote]

Thats right Neil - fuck all the analytical argument over the last few pages, and you just stick to your Champ Manager approach. Tard.
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what ARE you going on about? I'm stressing my opinion is that all right with you? I said what I think he is worth and that it may have been better to hold onto him for another year letting walk for free than selling for peanuts which may come to haunt us if we are hit badly with injuries. fuck off with the insults.
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And the multitude of reasons why we havent done that are all included in the posts above - do try and keep up love.
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I can vent on a FOOTBALL FORUM if I want to I know fucking full well why bob was sold.
 
The fact that this thread has trundled along for so long without actually getting anywhere just shows that we haven't had a lot to talk about this summer!

Its quite straightforward isn't it?

We just spent 17 million on a new RB, Arbeloa wants to leave and gets an offer from one of the biggest clubs in his home country. He has a year left on his contract, we accept the offer rather than letting him walk away for nothing.

The arguments for keeping him seem rather unfair. We have essentially said to him that Johnson is better than him but want him to stay in case someone gets injured. In that position would anyone here accept that?

Yes we may well need back up but we coped okay last year. Its been assumed that Degen and Darby are not good enough, but you can get away with a lot for the odd game when it comes to full back - I give you exhibit A: Djimi Traore's CL medal - so I am sure we will cope, just like we did last year without any Arbeloa-standard back up for Arbeloa himself!
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34869.msg914884#msg914884 date=1248948985]
The fact that this thread has trundled along for so long without actually getting anywhere just shows that we haven't had a lot to talk about this summer!

Its quite straightforward isn't it?

We just spent 17 million on a new RB, Arbeloa wants to leave and gets an offer from one of the biggest clubs in his home country. He has a year left on his contract, we accept the offer rather than letting him walk away for nothing.

The arguments for keeping him seem rather unfair. We have essentially said to him that Johnson is better than him but want him to stay in case someone gets injured. In that position would anyone here accept that?

Yes we may well need back up but we coped okay last year. Its been assumed that Degen and Darby are not good enough, but you can get away with a lot for the odd game when it comes to full back - I give you exhibit A: Djimi Traore's CL medal - so I am sure we will cope, just like we did last year without any Arbeloa-standard back up for Arbeloa himself!
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You´re correct...but £3.5m is a fucking joke imo. Underrated player and our cover isn´t good enough.
 
Agree with your second sentence but not with the first. We wouldn't ever have got more than £5 mill.tops for him, he wanted to go and he'd have been out of contract next summer. £3.5 mill.isn't what he's worth, but it isn't such a bad deal given all the circs.
 
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