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Re: Andy Carroll - ASKING PRICE MATCHED

Torres out + 8M = Carroll & Suarez

At least we can play 4-4-2 when we buy some wingers
 
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[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271544#msg1271544 date=1296488233]
Torres isn't fucking us over, we're fucking ourselves. We could do what united have done, and others. He's not for sale. And privately talk him around or ask him for another season. Wait till the summer and then buy when the market is more settled.

Fucks sake. Grow some Balls Commolli, Kenny and Co. A gamble would be bringing in a goalscorer with no PL experience. But taking a lad who has one half good season for three times his value, is reckless.

I'm leaving these boards, if this madness continues. It's so obvious we don't have a Managing Director. They are making silly silly decisions that are damaging the club
[/quote]

Hahahah. stop being so dramatic. Torres has fucked us over royally.

Committed himself to the club on Jan 10th (when the window was open)
He left it until last minute
He's going to Chelsea
he's sulked for over a year
His poor form and injuries have contributed to our bad form yet he moans about it like it's not his fault
He wanted the club to show ambition. The minute we did, he fucked us over.
 
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SSN saying Carroll is now enroute
 
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Rights, been out & "off the grid" & nearly had a fucking heart attack when I saw the 35m.

HOWEVER, he's 22, & he's English, & he's been scoring for fun.

Also, Kenny went for him, & seemingly only him, so I've gotta trust that.

Most importantly, we've not been left with no striker at all in teh wake of Torres' being a cunt, which is key.

Yes, we've overpaid, but FFS we were over a barrel. Had Utd ended up in this position, do you think the Glaziers wouldve sanctioned this buy? No chance.

The ONLY thing I'm worried about is us not getting in a winger, Carroll needs a winger in to capitalise on his heading, & we havent got one.
 
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[quote author=Buddha link=topic=43933.msg1271510#msg1271510 date=1296487943]
[quote author=etchy link=topic=43933.msg1271495#msg1271495 date=1296487797]
rub.salt.wound. Steve Clarke's here and he ain't giving his input? This is madness. Fuck this. Force Torres to stay. Deal with this shit situation in the next transfer window.
[/quote]
Since when should Steve Clarke have ANY input into transfers at Anfield?
[/quote]
if this fella been hired, surely u would listen to his input? I mean if you're fronting 35mil... it's gotta be a sure not a meh thingy.
 
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Torres is gone, fuck him! Get over it.

Let support players who want to play for Liverpool!
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43933.msg1271557#msg1271557 date=1296488364]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271544#msg1271544 date=1296488233]
Torres isn't fucking us over, we're fucking ourselves. We could do what united have done, and others. He's not for sale. And privately talk him around or ask him for another season. Wait till the summer and then buy when the market is more settled.

Fucks sake. Grow some Balls Commolli, Kenny and Co. A gamble would be bringing in a goalscorer with no PL experience. But taking a lad who has one half good season for three times his value, is reckless.

I'm leaving these boards, if this madness continues. It's so obvious we don't have a Managing Director. They are making silly silly decisions that are damaging the club
[/quote]

Hahahah. stop being so dramatic. Torres has fucked us over royally.

Committed himself to the club on Jan 10th (when the window was open)
He left it until last minute
He's going to Chelsea
he's sulked for over a year
His poor form and injuries have contributed to our bad form yet he moans about it like it's not his fault
He wanted the club to show ambition. The minute we did, he fucked us over.


[/quote]

I'm deffo being a drama queen sunny, BUT, we don't have to go along with this. NO, not for sale. And then in the summer, do it on our terms. Why are we letting Torres dictate the pace, and situation. We could show some balls, and some strength. As they said you wouldn't see United et al doing this. The player would be put in his place.
 
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[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43933.msg1271561#msg1271561 date=1296488430]
Rights, been out & "off the grid" & nearly had a fucking heart attack when I saw the 35m.

HOWEVER, he's 22, & he's English, & he's been scoring for fun.

Also, Kenny went for him, & seemingly only him, so I've gotta trust that.

Most importantly, we've not been left with no striker at all in teh wake of Torres' being a cunt, which is key.

Yes, we've overpaid, but FFS we were over a barrel. Had Utd ended up in this position, do you think the Glaziers wouldve sanctioned this buy? No chance.

The ONLY thing I'm worried about is us not getting in a winger, Carroll needs a winger in to capitalise on his heading, & we havent got one.
[/quote]

Good post, and sums up my thoughts.

Don't worry too much about a winger. Kelly, Kuyt, Suarez, Gerrard, Aurelio... we have players who can deliver a good cross.
 
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[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=43933.msg1271542#msg1271542 date=1296488211]
We've spent 35m far worse in the past.
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I concur. We ought to calm down. It's never easy/fair to compare deals anyway. And we've already wasted close to £9m on Konchesky and Poulsen.
 
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[quote author=etchy link=topic=43933.msg1271568#msg1271568 date=1296488492]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=43933.msg1271510#msg1271510 date=1296487943]
[quote author=etchy link=topic=43933.msg1271495#msg1271495 date=1296487797]
rub.salt.wound. Steve Clarke's here and he ain't giving his input? This is madness. Fuck this. Force Torres to stay. Deal with this shit situation in the next transfer window.
[/quote]
Since when should Steve Clarke have ANY input into transfers at Anfield?
[/quote]
if this fella been hired, surely u would listen to his input? I mean if you're fronting 35mil... it's gotta be a sure not a meh thingy.
[/quote]

Oh for gods sake. That quote was from two years ago. Whatever he did or didn't think then only an utter cretin would miss the fact that Carroll will be England's next Centre forward. The question is will he be more Shearer class or Crouch class.
 
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cannot believe how negative some of you are being.

Carroll is a great prospect, very shearer like when he was at Southampton early on.

Torres has been constantly injured, sulking and proved he lies about his allegiances. Let's not be blinkered on what Torres has offered us since his first magic season.

I am pleased with our two new strikers, and well done new owners for backing Kenny
 
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[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271577#msg1271577 date=1296488551]

I'm deffo being a drama queen sunny, BUT, we don't have to go along with this. NO, not for sale. And then in the summer, do it on our terms. Why are we letting Torres dictate the pace, and situation. We could show some balls, and some strength. As they said you wouldn't see United et al doing this. The player would be put in his place.
[/quote]

Thing is local is that we'd then be short of a player because Torres would just sulk and/or refuse to play just like Masher. What benefit is that ?
 
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[quote author=Brizzle link=topic=43933.msg1271425#msg1271425 date=1296487078]
Not worth £35m but I think he will be great for us
[/quote]

This and he will make a much better partnership with Suarez than the glass man would have.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43933.msg1271512#msg1271512 date=1296487961]
Fucks sake. Torres wants to leave. All he would do is fucking sulk for the next 6 months. He'd be WORTHLESS to us. he's got form i.e. the last 18 months
[/quote]
i'd take that chance. even in his moping he's been scoring. how's that worthless? getting carroll in for this inflated fee is madness, u have to be kidding me if future transfers won't be inflated as well based on this baseline.
 
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[quote author=Dee link=topic=43933.msg1271560#msg1271560 date=1296488427]
SSN saying Carroll is now enroute
[/quote]

in an invisible helicopter?!
 
Re: Andy Carroll - ASKING PRICE MATCHED

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=43933.msg1271608#msg1271608 date=1296488854]
[quote author=Dee link=topic=43933.msg1271560#msg1271560 date=1296488427]
SSN saying Carroll is now enroute
[/quote]

in an invisible helicopter?!
[/quote]

Wonder Woman gave him a lift
 
Re: Andy Carroll - ASKING PRICE MATCHED

It's all a big mix-up, we've really signed a new tea lady called Carroll Andy for 35 quid a day.
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43933.msg1271585#msg1271585 date=1296488644]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271577#msg1271577 date=1296488551]

I'm deffo being a drama queen sunny, BUT, we don't have to go along with this. NO, not for sale. And then in the summer, do it on our terms. Why are we letting Torres dictate the pace, and situation. We could show some balls, and some strength. As they said you wouldn't see United et al doing this. The player would be put in his place.
[/quote]

Thing is local is that we'd then be short of a player because Torres would just sulk and/or refuse to play just like Masher. What benefit is that ?
[/quote]

He'd sulk for a little, but he'd get over it promptly, knowing he only has to play through the summer..
 
Re: Andy Carroll - ASKING PRICE MATCHED

[quote author=Dee link=topic=43933.msg1271560#msg1271560 date=1296488427]
SSN saying Carroll is now enroute
[/quote]

[arnold] GET TO DA CHOPPER!! [/arnold]
 
Re: Andy Carroll - ASKING PRICE MATCHED

[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271629#msg1271629 date=1296489093]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=43933.msg1271585#msg1271585 date=1296488644]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271577#msg1271577 date=1296488551]

I'm deffo being a drama queen sunny, BUT, we don't have to go along with this. NO, not for sale. And then in the summer, do it on our terms. Why are we letting Torres dictate the pace, and situation. We could show some balls, and some strength. As they said you wouldn't see United et al doing this. The player would be put in his place.
[/quote]

Thing is local is that we'd then be short of a player because Torres would just sulk and/or refuse to play just like Masher. What benefit is that ?
[/quote]

He'd sulk for a little, but he'd get over it promptly, knowing he only has to play through the summer..
[/quote]

He doesn't want to be here. He should go. Ill feelings in the dressing room ill feeling in the stands. We'd all of loved to have kept a committed Torres here - of course we would - but we simply wouldn't have that mate. It was fucked the day he handed in his transfer request
 
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From Kenny's column dated Nov 2011.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1329456/Kenny-Dalglish-Oh-Andy-Carroll-dont-fool-.html

If you know anything about football, you will have the utmost respect for Fabio Capello. And if you don’t respect him, you’ll not be invited back.

The old guy knows a hell of a lot more than Andy Carroll does, that’s a certainty. And I think their meeting this week could be one of the best things to happen to a 21-year-old with the world at his feet.

I’m sure Carroll will be full of respect for the England manager. He will be aware of the amazing list of players Fabio has worked with — Marco van Basten, Ruud Gullit, Paolo Maldini, David Beckham, Zinedine Zidane, Roberto Carlos and Wayne Rooney among them.

If Fabio asks to speak to Carroll privately this week, which he is likely to do at the team hotel, well away from the glare of publicity, I’m sure the player would sit there and listen to every word, and it might just be the nudge he needs to make the penny drop.

You can imagine the message behind the conversation. ‘Here you are, just 21 years of age, with a fantastic career in front of you, for Newcastle and for England. Let’s just take a step at the time. As long as you are playing well I’ll be picking you, but you have got to pull the reins in a little bit off the pitch and improve your behaviour.

‘I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt at the moment. This is a great opportunity for you to straighten yourself out if you want to do that, but you do realise that if there is any repeat of misbehaviour, you are going to make it difficult for me to pick you and put me under pressure, not on football grounds, but moral ones.’

Knowing Capello, it won’t be touchy-feely, but an honest appraisal of Carroll and his situation.

It is not anything Carroll will be surprised to hear, but the fact that someone with Capello’s standing in the game, earned from all the success he’s had with AC Milan, Juventus, Roma and Real Madrid, is taking the trouble to try to improve you as a person and a player, it should have an effect.

It’s something the boy should welcome because it has been such a turbulent time for him; goals and plaudits on the field, a court case and negative publicity off it.

There will be some who won’t like his inclusion in the England set-up at all, who will regard it as unfair reward for bad behaviour. But there would be a few people who wouldn’t have played for their national team if convictions had been an automatic disqualification — Tony Adams springs to mind, for one. I had Jan Molby at Liverpool and when he spent time in prison for reckless driving, we supported him because our view was he’d been punished by the courts, so there was no point in us punishing him again. And he never went back inside.

Personally, it wouldn’t have bothered me to pick Carroll for this game. My conscience would be clear because he’s been convicted of one offence and been punished for it with a fine.

I don’t see his expected debut against France as a licence for him to behave as he likes. I see it as a chance for him to change and if he continues to misbehave, he’ll not be asked back.

In footballing terms, the Newcastle striker deserves his chance against France on Wednesday night, as does Arsenal’s Jack Wilshere, whose cause I have supported on these pages before. A friendly game is the time do it. Of course you don’t want to get in the habit of losing games but it’s an opportunity to try different players or even a new formation, knowing if the experiment doesn’t work, it’s not the end of the world.

I just hope supporters and everyone else give the younger players like Wilshere and Carroll a chance, and not to get at their throats if things don’t click immediately. These matches are the chance to get them used to international football. This week is a real opportunity for Carroll to turn the corner, to show us all he is the big centre-forward England have been looking for and that he can handle the attention and pressure off the pitch as well.

I’ve been known to sing along to Neil Sedaka’s ‘Oh, Carol, I am but a fool’. My message to Andy Carroll in this case is: ‘Please don’t be a fool.’

You will have a better life if you make the necessary sacrifices now and dedicate yourself to football. You have the talent to go and enjoy a great career. Don’t look back in 10 years’ time with regret.
Click to expand...
 
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[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271487#msg1271487 date=1296487684]
I'm fucking fucking upset. 35 Million for this piece of garbage? He's always injured, and he's not our standard.

Fucks sake, go for Llorente ot Aguero or someone else of decent skill level. The fella is the white heskey. ONE good season. COME the FUCK ON. It's panic bying..

And if it costs 35 to bring in a replacement WHY ON EARTH are we only asking 50 for the world's best strikers. It should be 70.

Why are we screwing ourselves?

Are these business owners or community fucking organizers in charge.

And I never fucking swear on these boards.
[/quote]

[size=9pt]bying[/size]

[size=11pt]bying[/size]

[size=13pt]bying[/size]
 
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Yeah you're probably right Sunny, just don't like dancing to someone else's tune.

Carroll feels like a distinctly second tier type signing, and we need better than this to be coming back.

Compare these signings to Citeh's signings. And for the same amount of inflated money it seems.

Maybe a Young, Adams, Suarez, Carroll bonanza would help us out...

But for me today is a massive disappointment. I want someone sexy, someone guaranteed to score, someone that other big names would want to come in and play alongside. Someone that says "we're back", not "We got fucked".
 
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[quote author=Binny link=topic=43933.msg1271650#msg1271650 date=1296489321]
From Kenny's column dated [size=14pt]Nov 2011.[/size]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1329456/Kenny-Dalglish-Oh-Andy-Carroll-dont-fool-.html

If you know anything about football, you will have the utmost respect for Fabio Capello. And if you don’t respect him, you’ll not be invited back.

The old guy knows a hell of a lot more than Andy Carroll does, that’s a certainty. And I think their meeting this week could be one of the best things to happen to a 21-year-old with the world at his feet.

I’m sure Carroll will be full of respect for the England manager. He will be aware of the amazing list of players Fabio has worked with — Marco van Basten, Ruud Gullit, Paolo Maldini, David Beckham, Zinedine Zidane, Roberto Carlos and Wayne Rooney among them.

If Fabio asks to speak to Carroll privately this week, which he is likely to do at the team hotel, well away from the glare of publicity, I’m sure the player would sit there and listen to every word, and it might just be the nudge he needs to make the penny drop.

You can imagine the message behind the conversation. ‘Here you are, just 21 years of age, with a fantastic career in front of you, for Newcastle and for England. Let’s just take a step at the time. As long as you are playing well I’ll be picking you, but you have got to pull the reins in a little bit off the pitch and improve your behaviour.

‘I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt at the moment. This is a great opportunity for you to straighten yourself out if you want to do that, but you do realise that if there is any repeat of misbehaviour, you are going to make it difficult for me to pick you and put me under pressure, not on football grounds, but moral ones.’

Knowing Capello, it won’t be touchy-feely, but an honest appraisal of Carroll and his situation.

It is not anything Carroll will be surprised to hear, but the fact that someone with Capello’s standing in the game, earned from all the success he’s had with AC Milan, Juventus, Roma and Real Madrid, is taking the trouble to try to improve you as a person and a player, it should have an effect.

It’s something the boy should welcome because it has been such a turbulent time for him; goals and plaudits on the field, a court case and negative publicity off it.

There will be some who won’t like his inclusion in the England set-up at all, who will regard it as unfair reward for bad behaviour. But there would be a few people who wouldn’t have played for their national team if convictions had been an automatic disqualification — Tony Adams springs to mind, for one. I had Jan Molby at Liverpool and when he spent time in prison for reckless driving, we supported him because our view was he’d been punished by the courts, so there was no point in us punishing him again. And he never went back inside.

Personally, it wouldn’t have bothered me to pick Carroll for this game. My conscience would be clear because he’s been convicted of one offence and been punished for it with a fine.

I don’t see his expected debut against France as a licence for him to behave as he likes. I see it as a chance for him to change and if he continues to misbehave, he’ll not be asked back.

In footballing terms, the Newcastle striker deserves his chance against France on Wednesday night, as does Arsenal’s Jack Wilshere, whose cause I have supported on these pages before. A friendly game is the time do it. Of course you don’t want to get in the habit of losing games but it’s an opportunity to try different players or even a new formation, knowing if the experiment doesn’t work, it’s not the end of the world.

I just hope supporters and everyone else give the younger players like Wilshere and Carroll a chance, and not to get at their throats if things don’t click immediately. These matches are the chance to get them used to international football. This week is a real opportunity for Carroll to turn the corner, to show us all he is the big centre-forward England have been looking for and that he can handle the attention and pressure off the pitch as well.

I’ve been known to sing along to Neil Sedaka’s ‘Oh, Carol, I am but a fool’. My message to Andy Carroll in this case is: ‘Please don’t be a fool.’

You will have a better life if you make the necessary sacrifices now and dedicate yourself to football. You have the talent to go and enjoy a great career. Don’t look back in 10 years’ time with regret.
Click to expand...
[/quote]

Back to the future?
 
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Last month he admitted an assault charge in which a glass struck a man above his right eye and he also ­accepted a police caution for an assault on a woman in 2008
 
Re: Andy Carroll - ASKING PRICE MATCHED

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43933.msg1271643#msg1271643 date=1296489261]
[quote author=Dee link=topic=43933.msg1271560#msg1271560 date=1296488427]
SSN saying Carroll is now enroute
[/quote]

[arnold] GET TO DA CHOPPER!! [/arnold]
[/quote]

Didnt need to add the arnold bit,Neil
 
Re: Andy Carroll - ASKING PRICE MATCHED

[quote author=localny link=topic=43933.msg1271675#msg1271675 date=1296489616]
Yeah you're probably right Sunny, just don't like dancing to someone else's tune.

Carroll feels like a distinctly second tier type signing, and we need better than this to be coming back.

Compare these signings to Citeh's signings. And for the same amount of inflated money it seems.

Maybe a Young, Adams, Suarez, Carroll bonanza would help us out...

But for me today is a massive disappointment. I want someone sexy, someone guaranteed to score, someone that other big names would want to come in and play alongside. Someone that says "we're back", not "We got fucked".
[/quote]

The lads got tons of potential and is a proper centre forward - who will scare defenders to bits. If Anelka comes as well, we'll have loads of striking options all of a sudden. I need a lie down
 
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We've essentially swapped Torres for Carroll & 15m.

Considering the alternative was keeping an unhappy player & causing massive problems or having no striker for the rest of the season, & also considering Torres injury record it's not that bad.

If Carroll scores all season & becomes ENglands new striker it'll seem a great deal.
 
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