Allen to Stoke for £13m Agreed
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Limited players often look better in short spurts.
Yes, of course. Allen only started 8 Premiership matches for Klopp, and was a substitute in most of the other big games.
That doesn't mean he's a terrible footballer, or that Klopp doesn't rate him. He's simply an average footballer, and Klopp rates others far higher. Allen has never been good enough for a team like Liverpool with genuine ambition, which is why he's going to Stoke.
He's yet another one of those players that whiteboard fans and people like Brendan Rodgers talk up as being some kind of "thinking man's footballer" and proof that they see beyond his size, stature and lack of pace, can ignore the fact he managed ZERO assists in the Premiership after three seasons, an average of less than two goals a season in all competitions, a mediocre long-passing range, and no ability to beat a man.
He's a player for the connoisseur. Like Xavi, Iniesta and Pirlo. So much of his fantastic work goes unnoticed by the usual Cro-Magnon knuckledraggers who like speed, shots at goal, sublime skill and ability to win a game. or dominate a midfield.
By now Rodgers said he'd be worth £30m.
He wasn't even worth what we paid. Because he's a deeply ordinary footballer who has no place at Liverpool. i'm glad he's going.
He's like Borini then - who claims to be like a less heralded version of Thomas Muller.
I can't claim to be a thinking man. I just saw a technically average footballer, who could barely cope with the physical demands of the Premiership.
I thought we'd struggle to get 5m. 13m is great.
No question about his footballing abilities but he isn't physical enough or fast enough to make his qualities count in a Liverpool team.
I don't see where he fits at Stoke either, presumably replaces Whelan?
I don't see where he fits at Stoke either, presumably replaces Whelan?
He's been really good since Klopp landed. Second best to Can when Can is on form. If he gets regular games with Stoke and is allowed to press on a but, £13 mill will look cheap.
Well if we can sell Ibe for £15m then I'd expect to sell Allen for at least £20m. He had an excellent European Championships, made UEFA's team of the tournament, and at 26 still has a big part of his career ahead of him.
Yeah, but there's the imminent issue of his contract running out in a year. That is another factor.
Gotze has gone to Dortmund for what is reported as about £18m for the same reason.
Yes. In today's climate, he's probably worth that now (20m). But with only a year left, 13m is a fair fee. Unless we can start a bidding war and have Swansea come in with 13m(+add ons).
Hughes is taking a very literal route to disproving the idea that Stoke are a team of gigantic Pulis-inspired cloggers, by signing the world's tiniest players; Bojan, Shaqiri (who is actually Randall from Time Bandits) and now Joe Allen.
how much would shaquiri go for right now? still can't fucking believe we didn't go for him. complete no brainer.
Stoke fans weren't overly enamored with Shaqiri last season and his lack of effort in many games was evident. He was ok in the Euro's but aside from one stunning goal he was as average as the rest of the Swiss team. Most Stoke fans want him to stay but more in the hope that he shows his "true" form this season. I'd say he's still worth about what they paid for him.
Same as Ballotelli - fuck all because he's too lazy to try week in week out
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Out of context quotes can make anyone look a twat. He said he'd shown world class glimpses in training but had to produce that on the pitch, that was when it looked like he might have to keep him about for 6 months too.
Does it matter? Point is, he didn't come out and tell everyone that Balo is wank.
So he was just as nice about Allen. If he really wanted him he would have stayed.
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Good point. Although in this summer where clubs are paying over the odds left right and centre, I still think that 13m is too low. If Stoke really, really, want him, they should be pushed into paying more. I mean, that's what would happen if WE were in their position.
Far too frequently we want to get rid of players while the other clubs necessarily don't or make it seem they don't want to sell.
Only Ayre could make such a tactic seem so wildly ingenious and inscrutable that LFC can only watch on in wonder!
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