• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Agger

Forums Unread posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42329.msg1201605#msg1201605 date=1287571004]
Hodgson hasn't been here long enough to make any claims about how he wants to use Agger.
[/quote]

Ya, but do you want to find out?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42329.msg1201605#msg1201605 date=1287571004]
Hodgson hasn't been here long enough to make any claims about how he wants to use Agger.
[/quote]
His preferred partnership at the back is Skrtel and Carra that much has been obvious.

Agger hasn't been injured untill recently and has featured in around ten games so far. As LB or back-up to the LB-position and only one time in central as part of the Reserves against Northampton.
 
Sometimes, I'm quite convinced that the only reason I have to not like Agger is that I read so much praise about him, but the performances on the pitch are always rare and often underwhelming.

Quite certain he is the biggest fraud in the club. Kewell Mk II.
 
I think he's a gross waste of money.

The best point made in this thread was by whoever said that I'd rather play Skrtel regularly because, although it can be argued he's a lesser defender - although I really question whether there's much in it -, he's always available for selection, which is important. Defence's are built on relationships and partnerships, more so than individual flair and talent, and such relationships are impossible to establish when a player keeps disappearing to the sidelines.

The KHL saying that selecting Skrtel over Agger epitomises Roy's problems at Liverpool is fucking hilarious.

In fact most of his Agger posts are.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201724#msg1201724 date=1287578280]
I think he's a gross waste of money.

The best point made in this thread was by whoever said that I'd rather play Skrtel regularly because, although it can be argued he's a lesser defender - although I really question whether there's much in it -, he's always available for selection, which is important. Defence's are built on relationships and partnerships, more so than individual flair and talent, and such relationships are impossible to establish when a player keeps disappearing to the sidelines.

The KHL saying that selecting Skrtel over Agger epitomises Roy's problems at Liverpool is fucking hilarious.

In fact most of his Agger posts are.
[/quote]
You are not hilarious at all. You are boring. And wrong.

And you clearly haven't seen our games otherwise you'd know better than to celebrate Carra and Skrtels 'great understanding'. An understanding that has probably been set back by Skrtels lengthy injuries last Season but don't let that influence your silly view-point either.

Anyone with half an understanding of the game can see how Skrtel far to often is a liability. I don't care for explaining for the umpteenths time why I believe he is.

Anyways back to the afforementioned partnership, I'll bet you 10£ Carra don't trust one bit in Skrtel, at least not ever since Skrtel headbutted him at some point last Season. Carra and Skrtel are a very mediocre pairing yet slightly stronger than when Agger's in the mix. And Roy apparently prefers stronger ahead of talent. Long balls instead of moving the ball upfield on the floor. Part of the problem so far, indeed.

PS Agger's played 35 games more than Skrtel for Liverpool at this stage so to say he's ALWAYS injured is a bit steep don't you think? Especially when baring in mind he hardly played for a year after arriving as a 21-year-old.
 
Are you saying that in an equivalent length of time at Liverpool, Agger's played 35 games more?

When did Agger and SKrtel arrive though, I can't remember.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42329.msg1201738#msg1201738 date=1287579501]
Are you saying that in an equivalent length of time at Liverpool, Agger's played 35 games more?

When did Agger and SKrtel arrive though, I can't remember.
[/quote]
More or less yeah.

Didn't Skrtel arrive only a year later to come in from the off as Agger was down with his first of his two lengthy injuries back then?
 
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

denigrate
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

Believe whatever you like I've argued why I don't belive Skrtel should be starting week in week out at a club of our stature. Nor should Kyrgiakos.

That leaves us with Carra and Agger.

We still need a tall, good-in-the-air, strong CB though if Wilson isn't just ready yet.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201748#msg1201748 date=1287580527]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

Believe whatever you like I've argued why I don't belive Skrtel should be starting week in week out at a club of our stature. Nor should Kyrgiakos.

That leaves us with Carra and Agger.

We still need a tall, good-in-the-air, strong CB though if Wilson isn't just ready yet.
[/quote]

You do have an irritating Danish bias. That is unarguable.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42329.msg1201761#msg1201761 date=1287581147]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201748#msg1201748 date=1287580527]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

Believe whatever you like I've argued why I don't belive Skrtel should be starting week in week out at a club of our stature. Nor should Kyrgiakos.

That leaves us with Carra and Agger.

We still need a tall, good-in-the-air, strong CB though if Wilson isn't just ready yet.
[/quote]

You do have an irritating Danish bias. That is unarguable.
[/quote]
I've almost called Poulsen a cunt though?

Almost.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201765#msg1201765 date=1287581221]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42329.msg1201761#msg1201761 date=1287581147]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201748#msg1201748 date=1287580527]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

Believe whatever you like I've argued why I don't belive Skrtel should be starting week in week out at a club of our stature. Nor should Kyrgiakos.

That leaves us with Carra and Agger.

We still need a tall, good-in-the-air, strong CB though if Wilson isn't just ready yet.
[/quote]

You do have an irritating Danish bias. That is unarguable.
[/quote]
I've almost called Poulsen a cunt though?

Almost.
[/quote]bet you had your fingers crossed though.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=42329.msg1201775#msg1201775 date=1287581484]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201765#msg1201765 date=1287581221]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42329.msg1201761#msg1201761 date=1287581147]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201748#msg1201748 date=1287580527]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

Believe whatever you like I've argued why I don't belive Skrtel should be starting week in week out at a club of our stature. Nor should Kyrgiakos.

That leaves us with Carra and Agger.

We still need a tall, good-in-the-air, strong CB though if Wilson isn't just ready yet.
[/quote]

You do have an irritating Danish bias. That is unarguable.
[/quote]
I've almost called Poulsen a cunt though?

Almost.
[/quote]bet you had your fingers crossed though.
[/quote]
Not one bit mate. Fact of the matter is I backed Poulsen to be a decent buy but if he continues to perform as he's started however I'm not going to spend two minutes on defending him.

The true truth.
 
I am only teasing mate.
You have enough people baiting you on here about Agger so don't add me to the list.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=42329.msg1201786#msg1201786 date=1287581929]
I am only teasing mate.
You have enough people baiting you on here about Agger so don't add me to the list.
[/quote]
I feel a bit like a big fat cod on here at times, one that everyone's trying to reel in.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201739#msg1201739 date=1287579582]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42329.msg1201738#msg1201738 date=1287579501]
Are you saying that in an equivalent length of time at Liverpool, Agger's played 35 games more?

When did Agger and SKrtel arrive though, I can't remember.
[/quote]
More or less yeah.

Didn't Skrtel arrive only a year later to come in from the off as Agger was down with his first of his two lengthy injuries back then?
[/quote]

Dunno.

It does feel like Skrtel's been fit far more often though.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

It appears Neil can't see it either.

Agger is a good player, there's no getting away from that, but as said all over this thread, some of the talking up he gets is laughable in the extreme, when you stop and analyse it statistically, how often does he bring the ball out from the back and get an attack going? How often does he score a screamer (or at all for that matter?) and how often does he show himself to be a better defender than anyone else bar Carragher? It's a myth, because it's an idea, it's not 'reality', it's an exaggeration based on him being a 'footballing' defender and him being a bit of a contrast to Carra and Skrtel, who are both more out and out defenders, which is another, different necessity in a team, but one which is ridiculously overlooked at times and criticised through bias over Agger.

I kind of agree with the statement re Skrtel, though I'd rather not see him alongside Carra (I thought he did well alongside Sami), you have to have a partnership at the back, I doubt Roy's preference is built on ability or the best partnership but rather the best 'available' partnership that he's able to utilise on a regular basis. THAT is why Agger found himself at left back when fit, because why would he want to continually disrupt an already struggling backline? At least with him in the side at left back on a regular basis he might have then had the opportunity to ease him back inside in place of Carragher or Skrtel if form required him too, instead why can't he? The point of the thread, because he's been in and out the side through injury and gone on International duty when it was clear to most to not be the brightest of ideas.

Regards our defence, I think most of our defensive problems have come in since we've signed Johnson and struggled for a regular left back. Skrtel had a cracking start, Agger came in and did a brilliant job too, but both were fallible too and nowhere near the finished article, the only crime was not replacing Hyypia with someone of similar ilk and quality, because then we'd have a commanding centre back and three quality players to choose from or rotate when needed. Instead we've got three players of similar physical stature who just don't really compliment each other that well. If Agger were fit more maybe that would be a different story and we may well have seen a partnership blossom between him and Skrtel, but it's never going to happen when he's available for about a third of a season (if that).
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42329.msg1201832#msg1201832 date=1287584172]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201739#msg1201739 date=1287579582]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42329.msg1201738#msg1201738 date=1287579501]
Are you saying that in an equivalent length of time at Liverpool, Agger's played 35 games more?

When did Agger and SKrtel arrive though, I can't remember.
[/quote]
More or less yeah.

Didn't Skrtel arrive only a year later to come in from the off as Agger was down with his first of his two lengthy injuries back then?
[/quote]

Dunno.

It does feel like Skrtel's been fit far more often though.
[/quote]

Skrtel came in when Agger was injured, in the January and went straight into the side through necessity, he got that injury against City as Agger was coming back from his. He has had a few niggles since but I don't think he's been as in and out of the injury room as much as Agger.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201848#msg1201848 date=1287585200]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

It appears Neil can't see it either.

Agger is a good player, there's no getting away from that, but as said all over this thread, some of the talking up he gets is laughable in the extreme, when you stop and analyse it statistically, how often does he bring the ball out from the back and get an attack going? How often does he score a screamer (or at all for that matter?) and how often does he show himself to be a better defender than anyone else bar Carragher? It's a myth, because it's an idea, it's not 'reality', it's an exaggeration based on him being a 'footballing' defender and him being a bit of a contrast to Carra and Skrtel (who are both more out and out defenders, which is another, different necessity in a team, but one which is ridiculous overlooked and criticised through bias over Agger).

I kind of agree with the statement re Skrtel, though I'd rather not see him alongside Carra (I thought he did well alongside Sami), you have to have a partnership at the back, I doubt Roy's preference is built on ability or the best partnership but rather the best 'available' partnership that he's able to utilise on a regular basis. THAT is why Agger found himself at left back when fit, because why would he want to continually disrupt an already struggling backline? At least with him in the side at left back on a regular basis he might have then had the opportunity to ease him back inside in place of Carragher or Skrtel if form required him too, instead why can't he? The point of the thread, because he's been in and out the side through injury and gone on International duty when it was clear to most to not be the brightest of ideas.

Regards our defence, I think most of our defensive problems have come in since we've signed Johnson and struggled for a regular left back. Skrtel had a cracking start, Agger came in and did a brilliant job too, but both were fallible too and nowhere near the finished article, the only crime was not replacing Hyypia with someone of similar ilk and quality, because then we'd have a commanding centre back and three quality players to choose from or rotate when needed. Instead we've got three players of similar physical stature who just don't really compliment each other that well. If Agger were fit more maybe that would be a different story and we may well have seen a partnership blossom between him and Skrtel, but it's never going to happen when he's available for about a third of a season (if that).
[/quote]

I want to say right here, right now, my critisism of skrtel has absolutely FUCK ALL to do with agger.
skrtel is positionally poor, the fucking END. what the fuck has that got to do with agger?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42329.msg1201851#msg1201851 date=1287585323]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201848#msg1201848 date=1287585200]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

It appears Neil can't see it either.

Agger is a good player, there's no getting away from that, but as said all over this thread, some of the talking up he gets is laughable in the extreme, when you stop and analyse it statistically, how often does he bring the ball out from the back and get an attack going? How often does he score a screamer (or at all for that matter?) and how often does he show himself to be a better defender than anyone else bar Carragher? It's a myth, because it's an idea, it's not 'reality', it's an exaggeration based on him being a 'footballing' defender and him being a bit of a contrast to Carra and Skrtel (who are both more out and out defenders, which is another, different necessity in a team, but one which is ridiculous overlooked and criticised through bias over Agger).

I kind of agree with the statement re Skrtel, though I'd rather not see him alongside Carra (I thought he did well alongside Sami), you have to have a partnership at the back, I doubt Roy's preference is built on ability or the best partnership but rather the best 'available' partnership that he's able to utilise on a regular basis. THAT is why Agger found himself at left back when fit, because why would he want to continually disrupt an already struggling backline? At least with him in the side at left back on a regular basis he might have then had the opportunity to ease him back inside in place of Carragher or Skrtel if form required him too, instead why can't he? The point of the thread, because he's been in and out the side through injury and gone on International duty when it was clear to most to not be the brightest of ideas.

Regards our defence, I think most of our defensive problems have come in since we've signed Johnson and struggled for a regular left back. Skrtel had a cracking start, Agger came in and did a brilliant job too, but both were fallible too and nowhere near the finished article, the only crime was not replacing Hyypia with someone of similar ilk and quality, because then we'd have a commanding centre back and three quality players to choose from or rotate when needed. Instead we've got three players of similar physical stature who just don't really compliment each other that well. If Agger were fit more maybe that would be a different story and we may well have seen a partnership blossom between him and Skrtel, but it's never going to happen when he's available for about a third of a season (if that).
[/quote]

I want to say right here, right now, my critisism of skrtel has absolutely FUCK ALL to do with agger.
skrtel is positionally poor, the fucking END. what the fuck has that got to do with agger?
[/quote]

Because you've always used it in retaliation to Agger not getting picked/getting criticised, not to mention Skrtel not fitting your footballing ideal of how every player must be 'brilliant' going forward?
 
I don't think Skrtel is particularly good defender Mark. He has his moments but is often far to rash, far to often out of position making foolish runs and not good in the air either.

That's it. It has fuck all to do with Agger.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201856#msg1201856 date=1287585515]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42329.msg1201851#msg1201851 date=1287585323]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201848#msg1201848 date=1287585200]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42329.msg1201745#msg1201745 date=1287580175]
You degenerate Sktel because you're obsessed by Agger, and it's a bit creepy and weird.

Everyone can see it, but you.
[/quote]

It appears Neil can't see it either.

Agger is a good player, there's no getting away from that, but as said all over this thread, some of the talking up he gets is laughable in the extreme, when you stop and analyse it statistically, how often does he bring the ball out from the back and get an attack going? How often does he score a screamer (or at all for that matter?) and how often does he show himself to be a better defender than anyone else bar Carragher? It's a myth, because it's an idea, it's not 'reality', it's an exaggeration based on him being a 'footballing' defender and him being a bit of a contrast to Carra and Skrtel (who are both more out and out defenders, which is another, different necessity in a team, but one which is ridiculous overlooked and criticised through bias over Agger).

I kind of agree with the statement re Skrtel, though I'd rather not see him alongside Carra (I thought he did well alongside Sami), you have to have a partnership at the back, I doubt Roy's preference is built on ability or the best partnership but rather the best 'available' partnership that he's able to utilise on a regular basis. THAT is why Agger found himself at left back when fit, because why would he want to continually disrupt an already struggling backline? At least with him in the side at left back on a regular basis he might have then had the opportunity to ease him back inside in place of Carragher or Skrtel if form required him too, instead why can't he? The point of the thread, because he's been in and out the side through injury and gone on International duty when it was clear to most to not be the brightest of ideas.

Regards our defence, I think most of our defensive problems have come in since we've signed Johnson and struggled for a regular left back. Skrtel had a cracking start, Agger came in and did a brilliant job too, but both were fallible too and nowhere near the finished article, the only crime was not replacing Hyypia with someone of similar ilk and quality, because then we'd have a commanding centre back and three quality players to choose from or rotate when needed. Instead we've got three players of similar physical stature who just don't really compliment each other that well. If Agger were fit more maybe that would be a different story and we may well have seen a partnership blossom between him and Skrtel, but it's never going to happen when he's available for about a third of a season (if that).
[/quote]

I want to say right here, right now, my critisism of skrtel has absolutely FUCK ALL to do with agger.
skrtel is positionally poor, the fucking END. what the fuck has that got to do with agger?
[/quote]

Because you've always used it in retaliation to Agger not getting picked/getting criticised, not to mention Skrtel not fitting your footballing ideal of how every player must be 'brilliant' going forward?
[/quote]

I critique agger and skrtel on their own merits. obviously I'd rather agger where in the team ahead of skrtel but I don't knock skrtel to big up agger.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201857#msg1201857 date=1287585639]
I don't think Skrtel is particularly good defender Mark. He has his moments but is often far to rash, far to often out of position making foolish runs and not good in the air either.

That's it. It has fuck all to do with Agger.
[/quote]

When he first came into the side he did brilliantly, as did Agger. We had fullbacks who could defend and we had Sami Hyypia. When Agger has come back into the side (in the last year or so) we've struggled just as badly as when Skrtel is there. Even during the 'mad' spell of high scoring games towards the end of the season when we came 2nd, when it was clear Skrtel was hitting a bad patch you all moaned about Agger needing to come back in and we still shipped four goals in a match and looked vulnerable.

The defence itself is suffering because in the fullback positions we're shite and we lack a commanding presence, as said, you continually point the finger in retaliation to Agger getting stick. They're 'good' young defenders who lack the right sort of environment (and players around them) to flourish right now. The only grievance I've got is that Skrtel continually gets slated for his defensive capability by the same posters who dress up Agger to be something he clearly isn't, for whatever reasons.
 
Fair enough.

I just don't get what all the fuzz is about really. If I were the manager I'd pick players like Agger ahead of players like Skrtel any day of the week especially as Carra's set for the other spot.

I guess it all comes down how you'd like to see us play really.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201876#msg1201876 date=1287586632]
I guess it all comes down how you'd like to see us play really.
[/quote]

I'd already said that I think Carra and Skrtel are a poor partnership, that's not really a reflection of Skrtel, just that they're too similar, neither command enough, nor does Agger.

That whole comment above just sums up my whole frustration with yours and Neil's views on Agger and why he should be in the team, and inadvertently, why Skrtel shouldn't.

For one, Skrtel is technically better than Carragher (and quicker), so what point are you trying to make about the way we play? You'd rather see Agger in there because it'll improve the way we play? Fair enough, so why make Skrtel the scapegoat? If you're more concerned about the way we play, and your comment suggests you mean how we play 'going forward' (because there's no real evidence to suggest the inclusion of Agger makes us defend better), then why stick with Carragher?

I'm stumped. The long and short of it is, Agger and Skrtel are vying for the same spot, one is Scandinavian and one isn't, both are technically better than Carragher and would, in an ideal set up that's based on technical ability, be THE pairing 'going forward', *IF* you're concerned about 'the way we play', but morally you can't make Carra the one who loses out because that would cause an uproar, so basically it's anyone but Skrtel and your happy, even more so because that means it'll be Danish Daniel Agger, if fit.

Brilliant.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom