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*Sets the scene*

it's 2025, half time in a classic champions league match at anfield. We're losing 2-1 to Barcelona. We need to win 3-2 to progress to the final after a dismal first leg performance. The team and the crowd begin to fear the worst and gloom descends on the stadium.

The music stops and the tannoy is activated


"Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my great pleasure to welcome a true Anfield legend. He was here when we climbed back to the top after being relegated. He made over 1000 appearances for the club both domestically and in europe. Please give a warm welcome to the most successful brazilian Liverpool has ever seen. LUCAS LEIVA!!"

The crowd groans as Lucas enters the centre circle and claps whilst jogging from one side of the centre circle to the other. His trepidation to go close to either of the new kop or the new anfield road end is obvious for all. A lad asks his dad

"Dad. Who's the fella who looks like he's from skem?"

"That's Lucas son. He was the captain for the 3 years we were in the championship"

"Why aren't we happy he's here?"

"We would've been back in the prem sooner if he hadn't given away 3 pens in the 2 play off finals we reached"

The match kicks off and Barcelona score within minutes and we proceed to get knocked out.

The Echo the next day blames the uncanny ability lucas has to absorb all talent from his team mates.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42329.msg1201240#msg1201240 date=1287522291]
KHL, I wouldn't worry that roy doesn't like agger. seriously, who gives a fuck what roy thinks? hopefully roy will be given at most a couple of games and sent on his way before nov 1st so he only gets one years wages.
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But he does worry Neil, He really does.
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I worry about a lot with regards to Liverpool these days. The 'Aggergate' is only one of sadly many things that's wrong with the club right now.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42329.msg1201249#msg1201249 date=1287522608]
*Sets the scene*

it's 2025, half time in a classic champions league match at anfield. We're losing 2-1 to Barcelona. We need to win 3-2 to progress to the final after a dismal first leg performance. The team and the crowd begin to fear the worst and gloom descends on the stadium.

The music stops and the tannoy is activated


"Ladies and Gentlemen, it is my great pleasure to welcome a true Anfield legend. He was here when we climbed back to the top after being relegated. He made over 1000 appearances for the club both domestically and in europe. Please give a warm welcome to the most successful brazilian Liverpool has ever seen. LUCAS LEIVA!!"

The crowd groans as Lucas enters the centre circle and claps whilst jogging from one side of the centre circle to the other. His trepidation to go close to either of the new kop or the new anfield road end is obvious for all. A lad asks his dad

"Dad. Who's the fella who looks like he's from skem?"

"That's Lucas son. He was the captain for the 3 years we were in the championship"

"Why aren't we happy he's here?"

"We would've been back in the prem sooner if he hadn't given away 3 pens in the 2 play off finals we reached"

The match kicks off and Barcelona score within minutes and we proceed to get knocked out.

The Echo the next day blames the uncanny ability lucas has to absorb all talent from his team mates.
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Hahaha..


*cries*
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201256#msg1201256 date=1287522750]
[quote author=Niall K link=topic=42329.msg1201242#msg1201242 date=1287522364]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42329.msg1201240#msg1201240 date=1287522291]
KHL, I wouldn't worry that roy doesn't like agger. seriously, who gives a fuck what roy thinks? hopefully roy will be given at most a couple of games and sent on his way before nov 1st so he only gets one years wages.
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But he does worry Neil, He really does.
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I worry about a lot with regards to Liverpool these days. The 'Aggergate' is only one of sadly many things that's wrong with the club right now.
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I wouldn't worry about it, KHL as soon as a manager comes with an ounce of ability, as long as agger is fit (tee hee 😉 ) he will play.
 
Haha, "aggergate". So let's see who else has been slagged off this season.

Reina
Johnson
Carra
Skrtel
Konchesky
Poulsen
Lucas
Maxi
Cole
Mascherano
Babel
Torres

So basically everyone.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201208#msg1201208 date=1287521320]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201182#msg1201182 date=1287520551]
This thread wasn't intended to be about Roy. The point is, he fucked off on International duty after being injured, and came back injured, and now he's declared himself unavailable because he's sick.

And if people want to make it about Roy, yeah he's been frustrating in the media, but is he really wide of the mark about Agger or wrong to question him? Any player would have got stick for going away on International duty on the back of an injury and coming back injured, and they'd certainly get it for declaring themselves too sick to play. Riera and Aquilani got enough shit for EXACTLY the same reasons last season, and rightly so.
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This thread was meant as another dig at Agger. Blindingly obvious mate.

At least just say it as it. You don't like him. You think he's an overrated crook. Whatever.

If I were a professional footballer and wasn't beeing trusted by my manager I'd jump of the chance to play for someone who rated me like the Danish coach does with Agger. He didn't go there to get himself injured but to get a game in his preferred position.

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I do like (rate) him KHL, his injury record is what it is and there's only really Harry Kewell who's ever pissed me off in that respect because of his lack of determination when it mattered and his constant gobbing off to the media about what he was going to do and how fit he was, before swiftly blaming the manager for playing him when he got injured again.

Anyway...... I don't want to see Agger going down the same route, but what irritates me is both the bigging up of him (based on potential rather than what he's actually done) and the kind of blindness shown on this thread to anything that might remotely show him in a bad light, even to the point of now slating Roy for questioning Agger's priorities. He's bang on, even if he is proving useless at his job, he's only saying what managers have said about other players in similar situations.
 
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201208#msg1201208 date=1287521320]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201182#msg1201182 date=1287520551]
This thread wasn't intended to be about Roy. The point is, he fucked off on International duty after being injured, and came back injured, and now he's declared himself unavailable because he's sick.

And if people want to make it about Roy, yeah he's been frustrating in the media, but is he really wide of the mark about Agger or wrong to question him? Any player would have got stick for going away on International duty on the back of an injury and coming back injured, and they'd certainly get it for declaring themselves too sick to play. Riera and Aquilani got enough shit for EXACTLY the same reasons last season, and rightly so.
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This thread was meant as another dig at Agger. Blindingly obvious mate.

At least just say it as it. You don't like him. You think he's an overrated crook. Whatever.

If I were a professional footballer and wasn't beeing trusted by my manager I'd jump of the chance to play for someone who rated me like the Danish coach does with Agger. He didn't go there to get himself injured but to get a game in his preferred position.

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I do like (rate) him KHL, his injury record is what it is and there's only really Harry Kewell who's ever pissed me off in that respect because of his lack of determination when it mattered and his constant gobbing off to the media about what he was going to do and how fit he was, before swiftly blaming the manager for playing him when he got injured again.

Anyway...... I don't want to see Agger going down the same route, but what irritates me is both the bigging up of him (based on potential rather than what he's actually done) and the kind of blindness shown on this thread to anything that might remotely show him in a bad light, even to the point of now slating Roy for questioning Agger's priorities. He's bang on, even if he is proving useless at his job, he's only saying what managers have said about other players in similar situations.
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Beg to differ mate with regards to the comments. It sounds like sour grapes to me. 'First injured - now sick'. I don't think that's called for in the medias.

Judge Jules got it spot on earlier really.

Anyways I agree with regards to his injury-record certainly doesn't help him one bit. Only positive this time around I reckon is that it's not his back and only a minor leg-injury.
 
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=42329.msg1201226#msg1201226 date=1287521762]
People have just got tired of his being injured all the time. There's no point banging on about what a great player he is, if we don't get to see him strut his stuff week in week out.

87 league games in 5 seasons.

115 appearances in all competitions during that time.

So er, 23 games a season on average. I hope when we get shut of our other centrebacks for him, we have another to cover the two-thirds of a season he's going to miss next.
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If he continues to average 23 games a season, it works out about at about 200k a game.

I know people differ as to just how good he is, but I don't think anyone can come to the conclusion that he represents value for money.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42329.msg1201188#msg1201188 date=1287520640]
[quote author=vantage link=topic=42329.msg1201183#msg1201183 date=1287520575]
I'd rather see him at DM than his compatriate Poulsen or Lucas. At least he can pass.
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I can't see Agger in midfield at all.
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Neither can I, but I'd still rather see him at DM than his compatriate Poulsen or Lucas. At least he can pass.
 
What's the difference in not playing a fit player and not playing an unfit player? No difference!

When Agger's fit, he's not playing and when he's not fit, he's not playing.

Bye Roy.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=42329.msg1201359#msg1201359 date=1287531412]

Agger is pointless. He's not even that good when he does play.

Nice shot against West Ham tho.


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Bollocks. He's a damn good centre back. He's shite at left back, but how would Sami look if he'd have been played at left back?
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201269#msg1201269 date=1287523327]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201261#msg1201261 date=1287522927]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201208#msg1201208 date=1287521320]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201182#msg1201182 date=1287520551]
This thread wasn't intended to be about Roy. The point is, he fucked off on International duty after being injured, and came back injured, and now he's declared himself unavailable because he's sick.

And if people want to make it about Roy, yeah he's been frustrating in the media, but is he really wide of the mark about Agger or wrong to question him? Any player would have got stick for going away on International duty on the back of an injury and coming back injured, and they'd certainly get it for declaring themselves too sick to play. Riera and Aquilani got enough shit for EXACTLY the same reasons last season, and rightly so.
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This thread was meant as another dig at Agger. Blindingly obvious mate.

At least just say it as it. You don't like him. You think he's an overrated crook. Whatever.

If I were a professional footballer and wasn't beeing trusted by my manager I'd jump of the chance to play for someone who rated me like the Danish coach does with Agger. He didn't go there to get himself injured but to get a game in his preferred position.

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I do like (rate) him KHL, his injury record is what it is and there's only really Harry Kewell who's ever pissed me off in that respect because of his lack of determination when it mattered and his constant gobbing off to the media about what he was going to do and how fit he was, before swiftly blaming the manager for playing him when he got injured again.

Anyway...... I don't want to see Agger going down the same route, but what irritates me is both the bigging up of him (based on potential rather than what he's actually done) and the kind of blindness shown on this thread to anything that might remotely show him in a bad light, even to the point of now slating Roy for questioning Agger's priorities. He's bang on, even if he is proving useless at his job, he's only saying what managers have said about other players in similar situations.
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Beg to differ mate with regards to the comments. It sounds like sour grapes to me. 'First injured - now sick'. I don't think that's called for in the medias.

Judge Jules got it spot on earlier really.

Anyways I agree with regards to his injury-record certainly doesn't help him one bit. Only positive this time around I reckon is that it's not his back and only a minor leg-injury.
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Come on mate. Like I said to Neil the other day, had he said this about Skrtel, would you give a shit? Hodgson questioned Agger the other day in the press because of him going away on International duty, despite being unavailable for us, and to add insult to erm 'injury' he then got injured. EXACTLY the same as what happened at the start of last season with Riera and everyone more or less agreed then that Rafa was right to chastise him. When Rafa came out and said that Aquilani had declared himself unfit (and when he seemed to regularly get 'sick') people were quick enough to criticise Alberto and back Rafa.

What's the difference? Whatever you think of Roy, and whatever you think of Agger, as manager he's got every right to be critical over this, the only thing stopping you (and Neil) seeing it from any other perspective than 'poor the Agger' is bias.
 
For me, it was another example of Roy's pathetic media comments.

He's blatantly having a dig at Agger and publicly questioning his desire. Its no wonder that there is no team spirit there.
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=42329.msg1201415#msg1201415 date=1287559113]
For me, it was another example of Roy's pathetic media comments.

He's blatantly having a dig at Agger and publicly questioning his desire. Its no wonder that there is no team spirit there.
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So you don't think he was right to be pissed off at his antics over going away on International duty? People are using Roy's usual media ramblings to paper over a fair point for being annoyed with a player.

How's it different to what Riera did at the start of last season? People were quick enough to jump on the player and back the manager then.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201420#msg1201420 date=1287559423]
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=42329.msg1201415#msg1201415 date=1287559113]
For me, it was another example of Roy's pathetic media comments.
He's blatantly having a dig at Agger and publicly questioning his desire. Its no wonder that there is no team spirit there.
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So you don't think he was right to be pissed off at his antics over going away on International duty? People are using Roy's usual media ramblings to paper over a fair point for being annoyed with a player.

How's it different to what Riera did at the start of last season? People were quick enough to jump on the player and back the manager then.
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He did it with Mascher
He did it with Torres
Now he is doing it with Agger

(and please, i'm only talking about Roy Hodgson's media ramblings here...not implying anything else)

Roy Hodgson is the only constant in all of this. Torres and Agger are two of the flair players in the side too. Considering he chose to ship Aquliani out and keep Lucas and bring Poulsen in, i think a very reasonable conclusion can be made that he has no clue on handling a player with flair/touch and technique.

I'm willing to look past this latest alleged indiscretion till a new manager comes in. If this is a trend that continues after that, Agger can get to fuck.

Roy Hodgson has been behaving very strangely, and i would expect a few players are feeling edgy. We need to make a change immediately before every relationship in the squad becomes a fractured one.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201420#msg1201420 date=1287559423]
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=42329.msg1201415#msg1201415 date=1287559113]
For me, it was another example of Roy's pathetic media comments.

He's blatantly having a dig at Agger and publicly questioning his desire. Its no wonder that there is no team spirit there.
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So you don't think he was right to be pissed off at his antics over going away on International duty? People are using Roy's usual media ramblings to paper over a fair point for being annoyed with a player.

How's it different to what Riera did at the start of last season? People were quick enough to jump on the player and back the manager then.
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I think Roy is perfectly entitled to be pissed off with Agger but when you air your grievances in public, it totally undermines the dressing room.

Its evident that Roy is getting nothing out of the players. I also dont recall any of our main players coming out to publicly defend Hodgson, so I reckon he probably has already lost the dressing room.

Its all rotten.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42329.msg1201420#msg1201420 date=1287559423]
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=42329.msg1201415#msg1201415 date=1287559113]
For me, it was another example of Roy's pathetic media comments.

He's blatantly having a dig at Agger and publicly questioning his desire. Its no wonder that there is no team spirit there.
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So you don't think he was right to be pissed off at his antics over going away on International duty? People are using Roy's usual media ramblings to paper over a fair point for being annoyed with a player.

How's it different to what Riera did at the start of last season? People were quick enough to jump on the player and back the manager then.
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I can see why he's pissed of with players coming home from International duty injured but does he really have to take it out on them in the medias on the official site even?

He's even only used Agger so far as a fringe player so to me it looks more like a personal vendetta than anything else. And by all means this is the last freakin thing we need the manager to be using his energy on right now taking our players further down.

PS We are not losing games only because Roy's favoured back-up for LB has been ruled out are we?
 
I don't know what he said about Agger and don't really care to be honest, but the problem at the moment is that Roy is treading on seriously thin ice, so what might normally be acceptable practice might not be the best course of action now.

It's not hard to see given the comments flying around the net that no-one wants to hear anything Roy has to say right now. There has been a total collapse in confidence and till he gets sacked or wins a couple games, he'd be best advised to keep shtum.
 
Why was Agger even allowed to go on international duty? As far as I can remember he wasnt even in the squad for the Blackpool game because of injuty.
 
Is Agger the most talked-about and discussed Liverpool player when compared to what he's actually ever achieved for us on the pitch?

It's fucking amazing.

Here's what he is: a pretty good, but very injury-prone defender who is average in the air, and can score one or two goals a season with a rocket shot.

That's all he is. All he ever will be. Why the fuss?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42329.msg1201481#msg1201481 date=1287564259]
Is Agger the most talked-about and discussed Liverpool player when compared to what he's actually ever achieved for us on the pitch?

It's fucking amazing.

Here's what he is: a pretty good, but very injury-prone defender who is average in the air, and can score one or two goals a season with a rocket shot.

That's all he is. All he ever will be. Why the fuss?
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because he's the danish jesus who'll save us from our sins
 
I think you are actually talking up his ability in the air there Brendan. Accuse me of being a traditionalist if you like, but I like my CBs to be very good/excellent in the air ( see Sami)
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42329.msg1201481#msg1201481 date=1287564259]
Is Agger the most talked-about and discussed Liverpool player when compared to what he's actually ever achieved for us on the pitch?

It's fucking amazing.

Here's what he is: a pretty good, but very injury-prone defender who is average in the air, and can score one or two goals a season with a rocket shot.

That's all he is. All he ever will be. Why the fuss?
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To be perfectly honest I do believe this thread should be more about Roy and less about Agger anyways, but he certainly has a talent of dividing posters opinions it seems. Some loves him (points finger at own happy face) some think he's mainly infuriating and extremely over-rated.

I just hope he stays fit and as I've said elsewhere he seemed very fit in the Denmark game very agile but the kick on his thigh got the better of him. But it had nothing to with his back-problems at least.
 
But why should the thread be about Hodgson instead of Agger?

It's not as if Agger's injury/illness was caused by Hodgson or something.

Fact of the matter is, Agger's exactly what Brendan said he is.

A very good but injury-prone defender.

Talking about how he should be CB or shouldnt be deputizing at LB bla bla blah is irrelevant when he's always injured.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=42329.msg1201511#msg1201511 date=1287565862]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42329.msg1201481#msg1201481 date=1287564259]
Is Agger the most talked-about and discussed Liverpool player when compared to what he's actually ever achieved for us on the pitch?

It's fucking amazing.

Here's what he is: a pretty good, but very injury-prone defender who is average in the air, and can score one or two goals a season with a rocket shot.

That's all he is. All he ever will be. Why the fuss?
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To be perfectly honest I do believe this thread should be more about Roy and less about Agger anyways, but he certainly has a talent of dividing posters opinions it seems. Some loves him (points finger at own happy face) some think he's mainly infuriating and extremely over-rated.

I just hope he stays fit and as I've said elsewhere he seemed very fit in the Denmark game very agile but the kick on his thigh got the better of him. But it had nothing to with his back-problems at least.
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Problem is mate. He's never fit. Never.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42329.msg1201596#msg1201596 date=1287570330]
But why should the thread be about Hodgson instead of Agger?

It's not as if Agger's injury/illness was caused by Hodgson or something.

Fact of the matter is, Agger's exactly what Brendan said he is.

A very good but injury-prone defender.

Talking about how he should be CB or shouldnt be deputizing at LB bla bla blah is irrelevant when he's always injured.
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There is not much to debate in that. He hasn't changed as a player in the last two years. Rafa used Agger much more than Hodgson, and he had the results to show for it too. The only way Hodgson wants to use Agger is as a left-back.

So its better we don't get in massive long threads of argument about Agger or anyone else currently playing, because no one seems to be capable of performing under Hodgson.

I can't believe how even Raina has had a dip in form. The only player who has come out with any sort of credibility is Gerrard.
 
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