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Alisson 7/10

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The guy deserves some of the plaudits to our unbeaten league run. Some of those saves against Watford, Ming or Karius would certainly have not made.
If he was to get injured we would be very vulnerable despite having VVD marshalling the defence.
Tom Heaton is available for a small price, better than the horror show we have in Ming at the moment.
 
I still haven't quite made my mind up about him. Yes, hes made some good saves, but ones you'd expect him to make.
He's also let some in he should do better on, or punched some back into the danger area and gotten lucky.
He also still concerns me with the decision making on his kicking. Yesterdays pass to Firmino
being the latest example.
On the plus side, he looks more commanding and has a presence weve not had since Reina.
I'd give him a 7/10 so far.
 
I think at the very least he's given our best defender in ages some assurance of not having s total liability behind him which in turn has lead to confidence being grown among the rest of the back line, some decent saves and some sketchy passing and some ace distribution

8/10 so far
 
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We've got some unusually promising young keepers progressing now. The best bunch in ages IMHO. Kamil Grabara - second from the left - is profoundly crazy in true keeper tradition. Even this pose tells you he's bit, well, odd.
 
I think people are taking what he's bought to the team for granted. He's had one or two brain farts, and maybe could have done better on the Hazard goal, but asides from that he's been a rock. I think the biggest problem Allison has for how people rate him, is just how routine he makes difficult saves look due to just how well and quickly he positions himself. The shot he saved yesterday at 0-0 was a perfect example of that, it was a super save made to look thoroughly routine, but that's just because of how well and how quickly he set himself.

Love the bearded spotty cunt.
 
We pass back to him way too often. That needs sorting out. One or two of his supposed errors have come from our defenders giving him the ball back when he's already being closed down with no clear options either side. Yes it's great that we now have a keeper who is good with his feet, but only pass to him when you need to and it really makes sense.
 
He got away with a shit pass yesterday. He seems to panic on the ball and just needs to chill a bit, but other than that his keeping has been great, and for the most part his distribution is the best we've had since Reina.
 
We pass back to him way too often. That needs sorting out. One or two of his supposed errors have come from our defenders giving him the ball back when he's already being closed down with no clear options either side. Yes it's great that we now have a keeper who is good with his feet, but only pass to him when you need to and it really makes sense.

He got away with a shit pass yesterday. He seems to panic on the ball and just needs to chill a bit, but other than that his keeping has been great, and for the most part his distribution is the best we've had since Reina.

These two things are not unrelated.

We pass out back continually now, so when teams press the back four he gets it repeatedly, & then has very few options.

This is when he fucks up a pass. We really need to find a balance between using the ball playing keeper we have & passing our way out of trouble.
 
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We've got some unusually promising young keepers progressing now. The best bunch in ages IMHO. Kamil Grabara - second from the left - is profoundly crazy in true keeper tradition. Even this pose tells you he's bit, well, odd.
Is Grabara gonna be ready to be no2 next season do you think?
 
I still haven't quite made my mind up about him. Yes, hes made some good saves, but ones you'd expect him to make.
He's also let some in he should do better on, or punched some back into the danger area and gotten lucky.
He also still concerns me with the decision making on his kicking. Yesterdays pass to Firmino
being the latest example.
On the plus side, he looks more commanding and has a presence weve not had since Reina.
I'd give him a 7/10 so far.


5 in the league so far...out of that I'd blame him for two. Isn't that post a bit over the top.
 
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We've got some unusually promising young keepers progressing now. The best bunch in ages IMHO. Kamil Grabara - second from the left - is profoundly crazy in true keeper tradition. Even this pose tells you he's bit, well, odd.
I mistook left for right (as you do) and thought "he's getting on a bit".
 
Is Grabara gonna be ready to be no2 next season do you think?

No, he's a good couple of years off (though he wouldn't bother me at at all in the odd cup league cup game this season had we not bombed out of it), but he has almost a John Terry 'heading a ball on the ground' kind of madness about him that will either see him invalided out of the game before he's 24 or else become a crazy phenomenon who defends with his whole body and enjoys Grobbelaar-style fame.
 
These two things are not unrelated.

We pass out back continually now, so when teams press the back four he gets it repeatedly, & then has very few options.

This is when he fucks up a pass. We really need to find a balance between using the ball playing keeper we have & passing our way out of trouble.

I really do think it encouraged our attacking play last season, the fact that Ming or Karius was in goal. Our defenders considered passing back, saw either of those two and thought, 'Feck!!!' and preferred a gamble going forwards.

Now we trust Allison so much more it encourages a sort of warm and fuzzy faffing around that often leaves him having to blast the ball forward to avoid being embarrassed.

That's the thing about the whole passing around at the back ethos: yes, I like the theory behind it, and yes, I know how it's supposed to work, but I judge these things on outcomes, not theories, and - I'm not sure of the stats, but... - WAY too often this results in defenders almost hypnotising each other with their sideways passing, and then the keeper has to blast it forwards, where we lose possession.

I'm simply unconvinced it works well enough, often enough, to respect it as a tactic. If all you're going to get out of it is to lose possession in the centre circle following a long kick from the keeper, then do it earlier. If you want to avoid that, then the WHOLE team needs MUCH better movement, and we need faster passing to find the moment to pass it forward. This slow and laboured Chuckle Brothers 'to you, to me...er, quickly to Allison' process simply doesn't lead to anything positive often enough. Look at the practice, not the theory.
 
It works when the players in front of the keeper are good enough. Ours aren’t and therefore we shouldn’t do it as much.

That being said we don’t faff around at the back nearly as much as some others. Barca, for example, aren’t as good as they used to be but still play some suicidal stuff around their box.
 
5 in the league so far...out of that I'd blame him for two. Isn't that post a bit over the I

5 in the league is superb, but a large part of that is due to the brilliance of VVD, the emergence of Gomez and the consitency of Robertson. Theyve limited the work Allison has hàd to do, and when hes been called upon hes been OK.
The saves youd expect him to make hes made, but also hes let a few in he shoud have done better with.
I would say thats a fair analysis of his form so far. A 7/10 is decent.
 
It works when the players in front of the keeper are good enough. Ours aren’t and therefore we shouldn’t do it as much.

I think ours are 'good' enough. It's just that either - on the day - they aren't quick and alert enough to make the process effective, or else the ones in front of them - who are also good enough - don't make themselves available enough. The whole tactic has been tolerated uncritically for so many years because most fans (of most clubs) are afraid of seeming not to understand it. I understand it all right, but I watch it really attentively to see how it works, and it simply doesn't work well enough often enough. For me, at the end of it all, when it 'finishes' with the keeper having to belt it upfield as the opposition forwards, who've gotten closer and closer during the laboured faffing about, come close enough to scare the shite out of him, it's just a waste of possession. That's far too often what it is: for all the 'brave new world, this is way better than the old hoof the ball forwards, this is clever' puffery, in reality it's far too often just a delayed waste of possession.
 
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We've got some unusually promising young keepers progressing now. The best bunch in ages IMHO. Kamil Grabara - second from the left - is profoundly crazy in true keeper tradition. Even this pose tells you he's bit, well, odd.

I can't decide who is more talented – Grabara or Kelleher (in the middle). Seem to be very different personalities, but I feel both can grow into good GK's in their own right.
 
I think ours are 'good' enough. It's just that either - on the day - they aren't quick and alert enough to make the process effective, or else the ones in front of them - who are also good enough - don't make themselves available enough. The whole tactic has been tolerated uncritically for so many years because most fans (of most clubs) are afraid of seeming not to understand it. I understand it all right, but I watch it really attentively to see how it works, and it simply doesn't work well enough often enough. For me, at the end of it all, when it 'finishes' with the keeper having to belt it upfield as the opposition forwards, who've gotten closer and closer during the laboured faffing about, come close enough to scare the shite out of him, it's just a waste of possession. That's far too often what it is: for all the 'brave new world, this is way better than the old hoof the ball forwards, this is clever' puffery, in reality it's far too often just a delayed waste of possession.

The defence is good enough, we have arguably the best back for with ball to feet in the league, but the options in front of them are often non existent. That's on the midfield imo, they need to be providing the movement & options, I don't see much of that at all unfortunately
 
I still haven't quite made my mind up about him. Yes, hes made some good saves, but ones you'd expect him to make.
He's also let some in he should do better on, or punched some back into the danger area and gotten lucky.
He also still concerns me with the decision making on his kicking. Yesterdays pass to Firmino
being the latest example.
On the plus side, he looks more commanding and has a presence weve not had since Reina.
I'd give him a 7/10 so far.

I think you are being a bit harsh there, his presence itself is a massive bonus mentally for both fans and fellow teammates... he has made 2 dodgy passes, dribbling efforts but his distribution is often excellent and his shot stopping is very good also... I'm happy with him.

Regarding another player:

I also noticed that the most expensive Goaly in the league whilst letting in 3 the other day just watched one sail past him... which I thought was rather odd... never even attempted to save it... I remember Karius doing that a few times last season...
 
I think you are being a bit harsh there, his presence itself is a massive bonus mentally for both fans and fellow teammates... he has made 2 dodgy passes, dribbling efforts but his distribution is often excellent and his shot stopping is very good also... I'm happy with him.

Regarding another player:

I also noticed that the most expensive Goaly in the league whilst letting in 3 the other day just watched one sail past him... which I thought was rather odd... never even attempted to save it... I remember Karius doing that a few times last season...
Wrong-footed.
 
As Deulofeu showed he is slow to react to react on early shot. Plus his distribution isn't ederson amazing. 7/10 seems fair considering the money paid for him
 
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