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He is a decent player but clearly polarises almost everyone in football.
I think people in England seriously generally underrate him, though. But then I also don't think he has the talent to join the very, very finest players in the game, such as Gerrard, Torres, Messi, Ronaldo, etc.
I think people in England seriously generally underrate him, though. But then I also don't think he has the talent to join the very, very finest players in the game, such as Gerrard, Torres, Messi, Ronaldo, etc.
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
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Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948716#msg948716 date=1253681358]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
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Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
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Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35939.msg948743#msg948743 date=1253688421]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948716#msg948716 date=1253681358]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
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Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[/quote]
Re-read the last few sentences ... 'A fantastic talent' ... 'When he scores goals in games that count' ... etc
There's a reason none of us think Zlatan is on par with Torres and Eto'o? It's because he's yet to produce on the biggest stages when the latter have ...
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948716#msg948716 date=1253681358]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
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Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[/quote]
Re-read the last few sentences ... 'A fantastic talent' ... 'When he scores goals in games that count' ... etc
There's a reason none of us think Zlatan is on par with Torres and Eto'o? It's because he's yet to produce on the biggest stages when the latter have ...
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the_khl
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If I were to make a choice here and now between Eto'o and Zlatan I'd pick the latter.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35939.msg948772#msg948772 date=1253692318]
If I were to make a choice here and now between Eto'o and Zlatan I'd pick the latter.
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Solely because of his age and 'personality' in the locker room I assume?
Now if you need a goal in a knockout game in Europe or against a Madrid or Milan, who would you rather have? Zlatan with his history of ducks, or Eto'o?
If I were to make a choice here and now between Eto'o and Zlatan I'd pick the latter.
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Solely because of his age and 'personality' in the locker room I assume?
Now if you need a goal in a knockout game in Europe or against a Madrid or Milan, who would you rather have? Zlatan with his history of ducks, or Eto'o?
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the_khl
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948774#msg948774 date=1253692552]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35939.msg948772#msg948772 date=1253692318]
If I were to make a choice here and now between Eto'o and Zlatan I'd pick the latter.
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Solely because of his age and 'personality' in the locker room I assume?
Now if you need a goal in a knockout game in Europe or against a Madrid or Milan, who would you rather have? Zlatan with his history of ducks, or Eto'o?
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As I'd prefer Torres over Eto'o as our lone striker I reckon Zlatan would be far more suited for our team - playing in behind Torres. He'd even make a better fit on either wings the way we're addressing the 4-3-3 formation these days.
Eto'o is a world class striker but personally I'd choose the big cocky Swede.
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35939.msg948772#msg948772 date=1253692318]
If I were to make a choice here and now between Eto'o and Zlatan I'd pick the latter.
[/quote]
Solely because of his age and 'personality' in the locker room I assume?
Now if you need a goal in a knockout game in Europe or against a Madrid or Milan, who would you rather have? Zlatan with his history of ducks, or Eto'o?
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As I'd prefer Torres over Eto'o as our lone striker I reckon Zlatan would be far more suited for our team - playing in behind Torres. He'd even make a better fit on either wings the way we're addressing the 4-3-3 formation these days.
Eto'o is a world class striker but personally I'd choose the big cocky Swede.
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35939.msg948778#msg948778 date=1253693066]
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I don't think Inter lost to Juve or Milan, Zlatan I think had an assist in 4 games ... Poor.
When Inter needed him most against Manure over two legs, he got no goals. When they needed him against us, no goals. When Juve needed him against us, no goals ... Catch the drift here? Unless he pulls a Ronaldo in how he performs against the top sides and in 'big games', he won't get to Torres's or Eto'o's level.
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I don't think Inter lost to Juve or Milan, Zlatan I think had an assist in 4 games ... Poor.
When Inter needed him most against Manure over two legs, he got no goals. When they needed him against us, no goals. When Juve needed him against us, no goals ... Catch the drift here? Unless he pulls a Ronaldo in how he performs against the top sides and in 'big games', he won't get to Torres's or Eto'o's level.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35939.msg948778#msg948778 date=1253693066]
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I do actually agree with that, but only to a point.
We were all fearing for the worst in the opening 10mins of the CL final last year, then Eto'o produces a piece of magic at the opposite end and makes it 1-0. From then on, the game was Barca's. That's what seperates the top few from the rest. See Gerrard. See Messi. See Ronaldo. These are guys that can produce moments of magic that turn games on their head when the team as a whole are doing nothing to help them.
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I do actually agree with that, but only to a point.
We were all fearing for the worst in the opening 10mins of the CL final last year, then Eto'o produces a piece of magic at the opposite end and makes it 1-0. From then on, the game was Barca's. That's what seperates the top few from the rest. See Gerrard. See Messi. See Ronaldo. These are guys that can produce moments of magic that turn games on their head when the team as a whole are doing nothing to help them.
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948805#msg948805 date=1253694519]
I didn't really mean anything by it, it's just that when I think about Ibra threads and people saying he's not proven enough, your name comes to mind first.
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ha ha ... I'm not saying he's not proven, I just don't think he's in that 'elite' class like others do.
I was on Ronaldo's 'case' for the same reason until two years ago where my point become irrelevant as he became a performer on the largeR stages ...
I didn't really mean anything by it, it's just that when I think about Ibra threads and people saying he's not proven enough, your name comes to mind first.
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ha ha ... I'm not saying he's not proven, I just don't think he's in that 'elite' class like others do.
I was on Ronaldo's 'case' for the same reason until two years ago where my point become irrelevant as he became a performer on the largeR stages ...
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948762#msg948762 date=1253691172]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35939.msg948743#msg948743 date=1253688421]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948716#msg948716 date=1253681358]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
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Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[/quote]
Re-read the last few sentences ... 'A fantastic talent' ... 'When he scores goals in games that count' ... etc
There's a reason none of us think Zlatan is on par with Torres and Eto'o? It's because he's yet to produce on the biggest stages when the latter have ...
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I understood what you were saying perfectly. My point is that you get three points for a win against Madrid, and three points for a win against Racing. So your assertion that he doesn't score in the games that 'count' is a little skewed, since all the games carry the same reward.
I was simply reiterating the point I made before which was that players who exploit gaps in class on a regular basis can play a big part in winning you league titles. We could certainly do with a couple more.
I think we're largely in agreement about his level of ability though.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35939.msg948743#msg948743 date=1253688421]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948716#msg948716 date=1253681358]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
[/quote]
Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[/quote]
Re-read the last few sentences ... 'A fantastic talent' ... 'When he scores goals in games that count' ... etc
There's a reason none of us think Zlatan is on par with Torres and Eto'o? It's because he's yet to produce on the biggest stages when the latter have ...
[/quote]
I understood what you were saying perfectly. My point is that you get three points for a win against Madrid, and three points for a win against Racing. So your assertion that he doesn't score in the games that 'count' is a little skewed, since all the games carry the same reward.
I was simply reiterating the point I made before which was that players who exploit gaps in class on a regular basis can play a big part in winning you league titles. We could certainly do with a couple more.
I think we're largely in agreement about his level of ability though.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35939.msg949148#msg949148 date=1253725498]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948762#msg948762 date=1253691172]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35939.msg948743#msg948743 date=1253688421]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948716#msg948716 date=1253681358]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
[/quote]
Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[/quote]
Re-read the last few sentences ... 'A fantastic talent' ... 'When he scores goals in games that count' ... etc
There's a reason none of us think Zlatan is on par with Torres and Eto'o? It's because he's yet to produce on the biggest stages when the latter have ...
[/quote]
I understood what you were saying perfectly. My point is that you get three points for a win against Madrid, and three points for a win against Racing. So your assertion that he doesn't score in the games that 'count' is a little skewed, since all the games carry the same reward.
I was simply reiterating the point I made before which was that players who exploit gaps in class on a regular basis can play a big part in winning you league titles. We could certainly do with a couple more.
I think we're largely in agreement about his level of ability though.
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Yes, and when/if he gets his act together in the knock out stage in Europe or against the big teams, I'll gladly say what I **shudders** no say about that twat in Madrid.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948762#msg948762 date=1253691172]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35939.msg948743#msg948743 date=1253688421]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948716#msg948716 date=1253681358]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=35939.msg948693#msg948693 date=1253675486]
Zlatan is amazing.. he has scored 4 goals in 4 games and yet people still are on his back. jealousy is a bitch
[/quote]
Yes, I (and probably Ryan too) are extremely that we're not starting for Barcelona and that bastard Zlatan stole our spot, well my spot - Ryan would have been my back up probably. What a joke of a statement. 4 goals playing against 4 average sides with the best team in the world WOW! When he scores goals in games that count, or carries Sweden on his back, or gets a goal against Madrid or Valencia, I'll take note. Until then, he's what Ronaldo was until two years ago. A fantastic talent that only regularly produces against the smaller clubs.
[/quote]
Every game is worth 3 points in a league format. Regardless of the opposition.
[/quote]
Re-read the last few sentences ... 'A fantastic talent' ... 'When he scores goals in games that count' ... etc
There's a reason none of us think Zlatan is on par with Torres and Eto'o? It's because he's yet to produce on the biggest stages when the latter have ...
[/quote]
I understood what you were saying perfectly. My point is that you get three points for a win against Madrid, and three points for a win against Racing. So your assertion that he doesn't score in the games that 'count' is a little skewed, since all the games carry the same reward.
I was simply reiterating the point I made before which was that players who exploit gaps in class on a regular basis can play a big part in winning you league titles. We could certainly do with a couple more.
I think we're largely in agreement about his level of ability though.
[/quote]
Yes, and when/if he gets his act together in the knock out stage in Europe or against the big teams, I'll gladly say what I **shudders** no say about that twat in Madrid.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948798#msg948798 date=1253694253]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35939.msg948778#msg948778 date=1253693066]
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I do actually agree with that, but only to a point.
We were all fearing for the worst in the opening 10mins of the CL final last year, then Eto'o produces a piece of magic at the opposite end and makes it 1-0. From then on, the game was Barca's. That's what seperates the top few from the rest. See Gerrard. See Messi. See Ronaldo. These are guys that can produce moments of magic that turn games on their head when the team as a whole are doing nothing to help them.
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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if by doubters you mean epl arm chair fans who neither watch or rate seria A then you may be right - however, you'll find that the overwhelming majority of world football fans rate seria A as one of the top leagues in the world - his performances and achievement in that league are nothing short of brilliant.
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35939.msg948778#msg948778 date=1253693066]
NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I do actually agree with that, but only to a point.
We were all fearing for the worst in the opening 10mins of the CL final last year, then Eto'o produces a piece of magic at the opposite end and makes it 1-0. From then on, the game was Barca's. That's what seperates the top few from the rest. See Gerrard. See Messi. See Ronaldo. These are guys that can produce moments of magic that turn games on their head when the team as a whole are doing nothing to help them.
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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if by doubters you mean epl arm chair fans who neither watch or rate seria A then you may be right - however, you'll find that the overwhelming majority of world football fans rate seria A as one of the top leagues in the world - his performances and achievement in that league are nothing short of brilliant.
I did a bet at the start of the season for Torres, Eto'o and Ibra to be top scorers in their respective leagues. I got odds of 168/1. ONly had €1.46 in my account at the time so slapped it on it. Bet going well so far.
4 from 4 games for Zlatan.
5 from 6 games for Torres.
2 from 3 games for Eto'o.
4 from 4 games for Zlatan.
5 from 6 games for Torres.
2 from 3 games for Eto'o.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35939.msg948798#msg948798 date=1253694253]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I do actually agree with that, but only to a point.
We were all fearing for the worst in the opening 10mins of the CL final last year, then Eto'o produces a piece of magic at the opposite end and makes it 1-0. From then on, the game was Barca's. That's what seperates the top few from the rest. See Gerrard. See Messi. See Ronaldo. These are guys that can produce moments of magic that turn games on their head when the team as a whole are doing nothing to help them.
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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if by doubters you mean epl arm chair fans who neither watch or rate seria A then you may be right - however, you'll find that the overwhelming majority of world football fans rate seria A as one of the top leagues in the world - his performances and achievement in that league are nothing short of brilliant.
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Serie A is one of the top leagues in the world. But lets face it if we are talking about top leagues they are all in Europe. Therefore he has played in the 3rd best league in the world behind La Liga and our league. But Serie A is considerably behind its rivals and Milan apart, this is shown by its teams lack of performances in the CL.
Inter? Perennial failures in the CL even with Mourinho and a lack of home competition due to the scandal.
Juve? What have they done in the past 5 or 6 years in the CL? Nothing.
He has played for teams that have been dominant in Serie A, usually due to non-footballing reasons, and that we cannot deny. What people are saying is that he has been part of it, not the driving force (that you and others) are making him out to be.
Oh and if you take Guardiola's opinion over Wiz's on this one, does that mean you take Rafa's opinion too. Even over the shite signings?
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NB It's not like Inter has been playing particularly well over the past year and though I'd admit Zlatan is partly to blame I think you'll see him score goals against any opposition this time around playing at one of the best teams. Inter has struggled against the best and you can't put all the blame on Zlatan.
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I do actually agree with that, but only to a point.
We were all fearing for the worst in the opening 10mins of the CL final last year, then Eto'o produces a piece of magic at the opposite end and makes it 1-0. From then on, the game was Barca's. That's what seperates the top few from the rest. See Gerrard. See Messi. See Ronaldo. These are guys that can produce moments of magic that turn games on their head when the team as a whole are doing nothing to help them.
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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if by doubters you mean epl arm chair fans who neither watch or rate seria A then you may be right - however, you'll find that the overwhelming majority of world football fans rate seria A as one of the top leagues in the world - his performances and achievement in that league are nothing short of brilliant.
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Serie A is one of the top leagues in the world. But lets face it if we are talking about top leagues they are all in Europe. Therefore he has played in the 3rd best league in the world behind La Liga and our league. But Serie A is considerably behind its rivals and Milan apart, this is shown by its teams lack of performances in the CL.
Inter? Perennial failures in the CL even with Mourinho and a lack of home competition due to the scandal.
Juve? What have they done in the past 5 or 6 years in the CL? Nothing.
He has played for teams that have been dominant in Serie A, usually due to non-footballing reasons, and that we cannot deny. What people are saying is that he has been part of it, not the driving force (that you and others) are making him out to be.
Oh and if you take Guardiola's opinion over Wiz's on this one, does that mean you take Rafa's opinion too. Even over the shite signings?
What a few of your are forgetting in the Eto'o vs Iba debate and that they paid 40mill + Eto'o etc, is that Pep might not think Iba is a better striker etc, but he might be after a certain sort of player for a shape for the team. He may need a big striker up top to be able to hold up play and bring in the other forwards, aswell as the goals. Iba is cpable of this, Eto'o wasn't.
Liverpool and Chelski employ a similar tactic with Torres and Drogba.
Eto'o is undoubrably a fantastic goal scorer, but a big targetman he is not.
Liverpool and Chelski employ a similar tactic with Torres and Drogba.
Eto'o is undoubrably a fantastic goal scorer, but a big targetman he is not.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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Check out his stats last year for the BEST team in Italy against Milan and Juventus ... Yes, he 'scored against the best' a total of zero times. Has he scored goals against the top teams in the ERE and Serie A? Sure, but the ratio is extremely low ...
In the knockout stages, where the world's best will often shine the brightest, Zlatan has missed chance after chance - remember that sitter he missed for Juve against us? Or how about those chances against he Mancs? Oh now it's the TEAM! Zlatan has choked time after time when his team needed their BEST STRIKER to perform. Yes, you can say 'The team didn't do it' all you like - but that essentially means he's already below the level of Torres and Eto'o, who win games by themselves when 'Their teams don't do it' ... That's the difference between Zlatan and 'the best' - He may get there, he may not ... But stop comparing him to the best when you yourself admit he can't do it when it counts most.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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Check out his stats last year for the BEST team in Italy against Milan and Juventus ... Yes, he 'scored against the best' a total of zero times. Has he scored goals against the top teams in the ERE and Serie A? Sure, but the ratio is extremely low ...
In the knockout stages, where the world's best will often shine the brightest, Zlatan has missed chance after chance - remember that sitter he missed for Juve against us? Or how about those chances against he Mancs? Oh now it's the TEAM! Zlatan has choked time after time when his team needed their BEST STRIKER to perform. Yes, you can say 'The team didn't do it' all you like - but that essentially means he's already below the level of Torres and Eto'o, who win games by themselves when 'Their teams don't do it' ... That's the difference between Zlatan and 'the best' - He may get there, he may not ... But stop comparing him to the best when you yourself admit he can't do it when it counts most.
I'd rather have Dirk, especially in big games.
Well in Wizzy, that is about the top and bottom of it.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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"Than", not "then".
Oh, and you are mental.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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"Than", not "then".
Oh, and you are mental.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=35939.msg948787#msg948787 date=1253693587]
I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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Check out his stats last year for the BEST team in Italy against Milan and Juventus ... Yes, he 'scored against the best' a total of zero times. Has he scored goals against the top teams in the ERE and Serie A? Sure, but the ratio is extremely low ...
In the knockout stages, where the world's best will often shine the brightest, Zlatan has missed chance after chance - remember that sitter he missed for Juve against us? Or how about those chances against he Mancs? Oh now it's the TEAM! Zlatan has choked time after time when his team needed their BEST STRIKER to perform. Yes, you can say 'The team didn't do it' all you like - but that essentially means he's already below the level of Torres and Eto'o, who win games by themselves when 'Their teams don't do it' ... That's the difference between Zlatan and 'the best' - He may get there, he may not ... But stop comparing him to the best when you yourself admit he can't do it when it counts most.
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this whole nonesense about choking is confusing you - look at the facts - everywhere he has been he has been immense, he has won titlrs galore and scored goals galore. The champs league is an indicator, but it not a defnitive factor, especially when you consider what he has done elsewhere. We hd a chat about his goal scoring record against the big sides domestically ebfore in another thread and I highlighted to you numerous goals he had scored against those big teams?Finally, those footbaling experts who are being paid million a year have taken a different view to you, the liks of guardiola, mourihnho, capello etc. have not only rated ibrahimovic bu catipulted him onto a level about 40m more than eto'o. Sure the market was skewed this year, so you can adjust that figure a little bit, but ultimately Iba is rated more than Eto'o and its not just down to age - its down to an ability as an all round striker. Viva Iba!!
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I rate Ibra and have always said so when he's been pounced upon by LTW and others, but you simply cannot dismiss what they say. He has had plenty of opportunities to convince his doubters and he's never really taken them. Now that he's in this Barca side, there will be no more excuses - it's be time to deliver. I personally hope he can.
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How am I pouncing on him? I said he's a fantastic talent and on a tier below Eto'o and Torres etc ... That's just being honest in my book. I'm not saying he's shit like other people are, b/c clearing that's bS.
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is wrong. the footballing world has Iba at around 40m better than Eto'o - as much as I like you LTW, I rate Guardiola's football opinion more. Torres of course is in a different league, all by himself.
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That is BS. I sincerely doubt Guardiola sold Eto'o because he wasn't 'good enough' for Barca on the pitch. He was almost sold two years ago (ie before their treble) and always seemed to be the 'odd man' out in that team (Zlatan, who's also a cunt, seems to actually be liked by them). Fact is, Eto'o has scored goals throught the Champions League, Zlatan only scores during the group stages. Eto'o scores against every team, including the best teams in the league - Zlatan struggles too. Eto'o is the better striker and finisher ...
And lastly, that 'rating that Ibra is 40 million better than Eto'o' is terrible, considering most people acknowledge they paid way over the market ...
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NO NO NO NO
This whole struggle issue is incorrect - Zlatan has scored against the best - just becuase his TEAM didn't do it in the champs league is not a real reflection of his ability, otherwise we would be lauding djimi traore as better than Ledley King. Zlatan has an incredible CV that 99.9% of footballers would die for - he is a better all round striker then Eto'o and Barca will play better football with him.
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Check out his stats last year for the BEST team in Italy against Milan and Juventus ... Yes, he 'scored against the best' a total of zero times. Has he scored goals against the top teams in the ERE and Serie A? Sure, but the ratio is extremely low ...
In the knockout stages, where the world's best will often shine the brightest, Zlatan has missed chance after chance - remember that sitter he missed for Juve against us? Or how about those chances against he Mancs? Oh now it's the TEAM! Zlatan has choked time after time when his team needed their BEST STRIKER to perform. Yes, you can say 'The team didn't do it' all you like - but that essentially means he's already below the level of Torres and Eto'o, who win games by themselves when 'Their teams don't do it' ... That's the difference between Zlatan and 'the best' - He may get there, he may not ... But stop comparing him to the best when you yourself admit he can't do it when it counts most.
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this whole nonesense about choking is confusing you - look at the facts - everywhere he has been he has been immense, he has won titlrs galore and scored goals galore. The champs league is an indicator, but it not a defnitive factor, especially when you consider what he has done elsewhere. We hd a chat about his goal scoring record against the big sides domestically ebfore in another thread and I highlighted to you numerous goals he had scored against those big teams?Finally, those footbaling experts who are being paid million a year have taken a different view to you, the liks of guardiola, mourihnho, capello etc. have not only rated ibrahimovic bu catipulted him onto a level about 40m more than eto'o. Sure the market was skewed this year, so you can adjust that figure a little bit, but ultimately Iba is rated more than Eto'o and its not just down to age - its down to an ability as an all round striker. Viva Iba!!
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