Ok - I think you're deliberately avoiding valid points because you really adulate this player. I will try one more time however.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]
this whole nonesense about choking is confusing you - look at the facts - everywhere he has been he has been immense, he has won titlrs galore and scored goals galore.[/quote]
Again, let me re-state this - he's a fantastic talent. But to be amongst the best, like that guy in your avatar, you have to perform when your team needs you most. In the league, he's been solid with Ajax (35 goals in 74 appearances), Juve (23 goals in 70 games) & Inter (57 goals in 88 games). No one can deny those stats. They're impressive - but let's be honest. Is he a 'great player'? Can you put him in the same bracket as Eto'o or Stevie or Ronaldo or Torres? Nope. He doesn't lead his team in the hardest matches - he goes missing too frequently. Zlatan to me is like Rooney. Great great talents with great stats, but still not proven in the department that makes you amongst the elite in the game. Both can, and probably will, get there - but right now, neither are.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]The champs league is an indicator, but it not a defnitive factor, especially when you consider what he has done elsewhere.[/quote]
You're putting yourself in a hole in my opinion here. If it's an indicator - and we all know he's yet to score a goal in the knockout stages of Europe (and considering the quality of team he was on and the fact he's already been in the tourney for 6+ years, it's pathetic), and especially considering what he's done elsewhere (ie his poor goal return against major rivals in the league), then surely you cannot bracket him with players who HAVE done what he's not done up till now in his career.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]We hd a chat about his goal scoring record against the big sides domestically ebfore in another thread and I highlighted to you numerous goals he had scored against those big teams?[/quote]
I don't remember ... but from everything I've seen, it's been poor. Feel free to prove me wrong, I'll gladly apologize.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]Finally, those footbaling experts who are being paid million a year have taken a different view to you, the liks of guardiola, mourihnho, capello etc. have not only rated ibrahimovic bu catipulted him onto a level about 40m more than eto'o. Sure the market was skewed this year, so you can adjust that figure a little bit, but ultimately Iba is rated more than Eto'o and its not just down to age - its down to an ability as an all round striker. [/quote]
So you think this was a 'fair' deal for Barca? 40 million + a 30 million rated player? Ok, play that card. But I think it's a really poor one and a few posters have already shown why. Zlatan is a better fit for Barcelona on many levels I feel (club house, holding up the ball, etc) - that's why Eto'o was moved out - not because of his 30+ goals, or his winning goal in the champions league final) ... If you really think Eto'o is worth 40 million less than Zlatan, so be it ... but I bet even Guardiola in private says they paid well over the odds because they had to get a big signing to match Madrid's (I think there has even been reports about this).
And it's IbRa) ... not Iba.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]
this whole nonesense about choking is confusing you - look at the facts - everywhere he has been he has been immense, he has won titlrs galore and scored goals galore.[/quote]
Again, let me re-state this - he's a fantastic talent. But to be amongst the best, like that guy in your avatar, you have to perform when your team needs you most. In the league, he's been solid with Ajax (35 goals in 74 appearances), Juve (23 goals in 70 games) & Inter (57 goals in 88 games). No one can deny those stats. They're impressive - but let's be honest. Is he a 'great player'? Can you put him in the same bracket as Eto'o or Stevie or Ronaldo or Torres? Nope. He doesn't lead his team in the hardest matches - he goes missing too frequently. Zlatan to me is like Rooney. Great great talents with great stats, but still not proven in the department that makes you amongst the elite in the game. Both can, and probably will, get there - but right now, neither are.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]The champs league is an indicator, but it not a defnitive factor, especially when you consider what he has done elsewhere.[/quote]
You're putting yourself in a hole in my opinion here. If it's an indicator - and we all know he's yet to score a goal in the knockout stages of Europe (and considering the quality of team he was on and the fact he's already been in the tourney for 6+ years, it's pathetic), and especially considering what he's done elsewhere (ie his poor goal return against major rivals in the league), then surely you cannot bracket him with players who HAVE done what he's not done up till now in his career.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]We hd a chat about his goal scoring record against the big sides domestically ebfore in another thread and I highlighted to you numerous goals he had scored against those big teams?[/quote]
I don't remember ... but from everything I've seen, it's been poor. Feel free to prove me wrong, I'll gladly apologize.
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=35939.msg950280#msg950280 date=1253861815]Finally, those footbaling experts who are being paid million a year have taken a different view to you, the liks of guardiola, mourihnho, capello etc. have not only rated ibrahimovic bu catipulted him onto a level about 40m more than eto'o. Sure the market was skewed this year, so you can adjust that figure a little bit, but ultimately Iba is rated more than Eto'o and its not just down to age - its down to an ability as an all round striker. [/quote]
So you think this was a 'fair' deal for Barca? 40 million + a 30 million rated player? Ok, play that card. But I think it's a really poor one and a few posters have already shown why. Zlatan is a better fit for Barcelona on many levels I feel (club house, holding up the ball, etc) - that's why Eto'o was moved out - not because of his 30+ goals, or his winning goal in the champions league final) ... If you really think Eto'o is worth 40 million less than Zlatan, so be it ... but I bet even Guardiola in private says they paid well over the odds because they had to get a big signing to match Madrid's (I think there has even been reports about this).
And it's IbRa) ... not Iba.
