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If he’s free and the strategy is that he is understudy to Bradley to bolster the RB slot then I’m all for it. We need some smart decisions, and it gives Bradley the chance to earn his spot.

Whilst i love the idea of Frimpong, there’s a lot to be said for letting those who have come the ranks earn their right at a first XI spot.

It also weakens a top team in the PL.
 
I don’t see it - he’s the opposite of the sort of player we tend to - the profile is all wrong

- 29 in October - therefore zero or very little on sale value and a short term fix.
- plays in a team with a completely different set up, therefore integration and replicating previous form and stats may not be easy
- has had one season where he’s looked good, so therefore you’d have to question his quality
- Only 3 European games in the Europa League games in 10 seasons - so you’d have to question experience
- add to that at 28 and despite being Home Grown, he’s only played like 60 times in the EPL.
- likely to miss a chunk of the season for AFCON

The only positives would appear, he’s had a good season, is Home Grown and would be cheap on a free.

None of it stacks up for me - we rarely do these sort of transfers and there’s a reason for it - you’re generally not adding any quality to the team.

Nothing’s impossible, but I’d be very surprised if this has actual substance.
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Its not gonna happen now. When ever @rurikbird starts a thread this early on transfer, from my memory it doesn't happen. The good news is he hasn't started a thread on Huijsen who Ornstein has said we are serious about
 
Hang on… you’re comparing 29 YO James Milner, former EPL young player of the year, with over 400 EPL & 60 odd CL appearances for the likes Leeds, Villa, Newcastle & Man City, with 50+ caps for England and who had won every domestic trophy in England… with Ola Aina who never got past representing England at U20 level, has played about 80 EPL games with Fulham and Forest, having spent most of his career in SerieA with Torino, has never played in the champions league and the only thing he won is listed as the 16/17 EPL with Chelsea, in a season he played 3 times.

Mate, there’s no comparison there at all, other than they’re footballers and exist in the same space-time continuum.

It would be up there with suggesting we should sign Anthony Ralston from Celtic as backup for Bradley because we once signed Kenny Dalglish from Celtic and he turned out ok!!!
Yeah but Millie was the ultimate professional, playing in the PL from 16, played in the CL, won the biggest trophies and was hugely versatile. And even then he's the exception that proves the rule really.

The only common factors are "home grown" and "free".
Well firstly 'free' isn't free and secondly Milner was an England international with tons of experience at City and hundreds of games in the PL ! Are you seriously comparing them?!

I'm comparing them based on age and availablity. A free Aina would not cost us as much as as a free Trent would.
Aina is not in the stage of his career where he could demand stupid money from anyone.

The worst thing you could do is get someone close to Bradley in age.
 
Yes, if they’re successful - that’s the case with any signing, though isn’t it - you want everyone to be successful, stay through their prime years then they can leave for nothing when they’re no longer good.

The problem with “free” signings is they tend to ask for high wages on account of being free, so if they don’t work out, you end up stuck with them or effectively paying for someone else to take them.

Besides, given his age, there’d be no re-sale value even if there was a fee, so my point would be that it’s a signing that likely offers no chance of recouping the cost of signing, agent fee or wages, with a higher risk of not being successful.

I’m struggling to think of anytime signing what is effectively a journeyman player, past their prime, with such little track record of success or quality has worked out well for a top team.

He’s the sort of player you sign and 6 months later ends up on loan to Crystal Palace with us paying 50% of his wages.

I’d almost rather give Calvin Ramsey a chance.

We're talking about a backup RB ffs. Tsimikas sort of standard. It's a totally reasonable proposition.
 
We're talking about a backup RB ffs. Tsimikas sort of standard. It's a totally reasonable proposition.

Agreed. Also add in that he has a different style which means in games if we needed a much less adventurous and solid RB deployed he would be a great fit.
 
Dated Jan & Mar 2025 respectively. Nottingham Forest apparently have an option to extend his current contract by a year but are in talks to offer him a 2+1 year contract on improved terms.



Like his Liverpool counterpart, Aina is out of contract in the summer. Unlike Alexander-Arnold, he is unlikely to have the option of walking away for nothing. There is a clause in his deal that will see it extended to the end of the 2025-26 season, which will be activated if he reaches a certain number of appearances — a mark he is very close to already.

Defensively, Aina’s stats are better than Alexander-Arnold’s. Aina’s “true” tackle win rate (which accounts for tackles plus challenges lost and fouls committed) is 67 per cent this season — better than Alexander-Arnold’s 58. Similarly, Alexander-Arnold has been dribbled past on 41 per cent of the occasions he was taken on, while Aina’s figure is 25.

Aina is a more solid, consistent defender, although that is also within a Forest side that adopt a deeper defensive block, which contrasts with Liverpool’s higher defensive line.

Creatively, Alexander-Arnold is — unsurprisingly — streets ahead of Aina. But probably almost every other defender too. The 1.7 open-play chances he creates far exceeds Aina’s 0.27 per 90 minutes, with an expected assists (xG) per 90 of 0.35 compared with Aina’s 0.03 per 90.

But Aina’s most valuable quality to Forest is his ability to turn defence into attack: on a very basic level, to advance Forest up the pitch.

Aina has completed 80 carries after a defensive action this season, the most of any Premier League player. On top of that, 23 per cent of his carries are progressive, the second-highest proportion among full-backs in the division (behind Aaron Wan-Bissaka).


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“That (his ability to carry the ball out of defence) is one of the characteristics we like. But defensively he is also very solid,” added Nuno.

Only Moises Caicedo and Ryan Christie have made more ball recoveries than Aina (who averages 6.13 per 90 minutes) this season in the Premier League.

Speed is also important. As revealed in a recent interview with The Athletic, Elanga regards himself as being the fastest player at Forest. But Aina is not far behind. The rivalry between the two players on that front is a friendly one. Aina is an influential, positive figure and a popular team-mate.


Aina’s current deal is due to expire in the summer, although a 12-month extension option counts in the Reds’ favour. However, discussions have taken place regarding longer terms for the former Torino man.

According to Africa Foot, negotiations should now "accelerate in the coming weeks” with Aina “set to sign” a new contract. The report claims the Nigeria international is “preparing” to put pen to paper on a two-year deal with a further 12-month option and a salary increase included.
 
Well firstly 'free' isn't free and secondly Milner was an England international with tons of experience at City and hundreds of games in the PL ! Are you seriously comparing them?!
Aurelio and Matip hadn't kicked a ball in English football, what's your point?
 
Aina feels like a step backwards in all honesty. Defensively solid but not that good going forward.
Feels like a player that looks better than he is in the low block defending with banks of 4 or 5 set up that Nuno has them playing. Signing him for free on relatively high wages at 29 doesn't seem like a good move.

Close to signing a new contract with Forest anyway.
 
It's wild seeing AWB as the most progressive RB, given that was one of the reasons for the criticism at United. He's impressed me this year. West Ham have been a dumpster fire all year long, he's one of few things going right.
 
Aina feels like a step backwards in all honesty. Defensively solid but not that good going forward.
Feels like a player that looks better than he is in the low block defending with banks of 4 or 5 set up that Nuno has them playing. Signing him for free on relatively high wages at 29 doesn't seem like a good move.

Close to signing a new contract with Forest anyway.

No one knows his wages. On paper moving from Trent + Bradley to Bradley + Aina does look like a step back, but it would be a move that paves the way for Bradley to step up which we need to do in certain areas of the team. Also we've spent most of the season lamenting our lack of 'defensively solid' full backs.
 
Aina feels like a step backwards in all honesty. Defensively solid but not that good going forward.
Feels like a player that looks better than he is in the low block defending with banks of 4 or 5 set up that Nuno has them playing. Signing him for free on relatively high wages at 29 doesn't seem like a good move.

Close to signing a new contract with Forest anyway.
I'm not saying that we should bend over backwards to sign him.
I just wouldn't mind him and Bradley being our options.

We need to give Bradley a chance. Just like Trent got a chance when Clyne got injured.
Did Klopp sign some up and coming right back to compete with Trent? No.
 
No one knows his wages. On paper moving from Trent + Bradley to Bradley + Aina does look like a step back, but it would be a move that paves the way for Bradley to step up which we need to do in certain areas of the team. Also we've spent most of the season lamenting our lack of 'defensively solid' full backs.

He's on about 40k per week at Forest now. A new deal or free signing for us will see that improved.

For me, there is a fine line between getting someone defensively solid but wont contribute as much going forward before it makes us unbalanced. Its like when Gomez starts at right back.

As said, my biggest issue is his age and fit for our team given where he plays now and what tactics he has excelled under, and AFCON.
 
I'm not saying that we should bend over backwards to sign him.
I just wouldn't mind him and Bradley being our options.

We need to give Bradley a chance. Just like Trent got a chance when Clyne got injured.
Did Klopp sign some up and coming right back to compete with Trent? No.

With Bradley's fitness issues you'd probably see the other right back play 40-50% of our games next season.
That can't be Aina if we want to be competitive, imho.
 
With Bradley's fitness issues you'd probably see the other right back play 40-50% of our games next season.
That can't be Aina if we want to be competitive, imho.
But if we sign a really good RB to cover those injuries then we might as well just sell Bradley now, because he'll never get a chance.

I agree the injuries are a concern but I think we just have to take a risk on them clearing up. Anyone good enough to truly fill in will cost loads and probably just end up being first choice himself.
 
He's on about 40k per week at Forest now. A new deal or free signing for us will see that improved.

For me, there is a fine line between getting someone defensively solid but wont contribute as much going forward before it makes us unbalanced. Its like when Gomez starts at right back.

As said, my biggest issue is his age and fit for our team given where he plays now and what tactics he has excelled under, and AFCON.

Even a 50% increase would be towards the lower end of our wage table. Plus Bradley isn't ready to do even 30 starts a season (IMO) and someone who is capable of mixing it at the top of the table in that position feels a no brainer.

The stats above also show he might not be getting assists, but he is progressive with the ball, which isn't a sign that he is completely 'defensively minded' if his first instinct is to travel up the pitch with the ball.
 
Even a 50% increase would be towards the lower end of our wage table. Plus Bradley isn't ready to do even 30 starts a season (IMO) and someone who is capable of mixing it at the top of the table in that position feels a no brainer.

The stats above also show he might not be getting assists, but he is progressive with the ball, which isn't a sign that he is completely 'defensively minded' if his first instinct is to travel up the pitch with the ball.

His attacking numbers are really bad in all honesty. I just think it will limit us as team and that he doesn't fit into what Slot wants this team to be.
 
We're talking about a backup RB ffs. Tsimikas sort of standard. It's a totally reasonable proposition.

You mean the Tsimikas that is widely disregarded as not good enough to part of the squad and a large portion of the site has been talking about selling and replacing for several years now.

And it’s also totally reasonable to think that Aina is a signing we shouldn’t be making and we should aspire to better players even if they’re just “back up”.

So we can happily disagree on what we both think is reasonable.
 
It's all a moot point anyway. He'll still continue with a 14-man rotation

No, he won't.

Rotated with a core of up to 19 players in his last two seasons at Feyenoord that played more than 1200 mins.
Sounds pretty ideal to me and they had next to no injuries.

Just let him build his own squad.
 
You mean the Tsimikas that is widely disregarded as not good enough to part of the squad and a large portion of the site has been talking about selling and replacing for several years now.

And it’s also totally reasonable to think that Aina is a signing we shouldn’t be making and we should aspire to better players even if they’re just “back up”.

So we can happily disagree on what we both think is reasonable.

Is that even remotely true? I can't remember at any point there being a large push for us to really bolster our backup LB capacity.
 
What about we have Steph and JoGo as cover for RB and Steph also covering MF? Our new Milner. You can still get a Harvey replacement if Harvey is sold. Assuming Cheesy is sold too, I can see Cherki and Frimpong added to the MF. Which will add flair and pace.
 
True, but how much of the transfer kitty do you expect us to put aside to get some competition for Bradley in? And what sort of age/experience profile are you hoping for? Someone who will clearly number 2? Or someone who will push Bradley to improve for the number 1 spot?

Personally, I want to put the majority of our budget towards a CF, Wide Forward and LB. And probably CB and another midfielder. Obviously funded by 4-5 sales too.
True. Don't we have another academy youngster who got injured but who's supposed to be very good? Is it Ramsey?
 
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