Poll Would you swap Gini for Thiago?
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I'm a fan of Gini. Someone labelled him a water carrier in another thread, which is a bit unfair and doesn't do him justice. He's been a regular in a record breaking side that's won the CL and PL - we haven't been carrying any passengers in the first team.
It's a long time since I watched Thiago regularly so it's hard for me to judge. If he's still the Iniesta type I saw Barca than that is quite appealing because we do need more guile in midfield and as much as I'm desparate for Keita to come good, I just don't think we can go into the season relying solely on him again. If he's now more of a deep lying playmaker who's legs are starting to go then it's a firm no.
It's a long time since I watched Thiago regularly so it's hard for me to judge. If he's still the Iniesta type I saw Barca than that is quite appealing because we do need more guile in midfield and as much as I'm desparate for Keita to come good, I just don't think we can go into the season relying solely on him again. If he's now more of a deep lying playmaker who's legs are starting to go then it's a firm no.
Would prefer for Gini to stay but wouldn’t be bitter if he fancied another challenge.
Although noticed his general performance since the return from Covid was quiet a bit off and was hoping just general rust rather anything permanent.
What a player he has been over the last 4yrs and stand out displays when required the most.
Although noticed his general performance since the return from Covid was quiet a bit off and was hoping just general rust rather anything permanent.
What a player he has been over the last 4yrs and stand out displays when required the most.
Pretty much. He would be the best passer in our midfield, no question, but for sure we couldn't rely on him as much as we're relying on Gini now.
One of Gini's underrated plus point is that he is always available for selection. For a manager like Klopp, whose tactics rely on positioning and team work, that is a huge plus. Thiago's frequency of missing games through injury appears much higher than Gini.
That is a very important point. However even though one season isn't always a fair comparison Thaigo played 2,809 mins for Bayern (so far) this season, whereas Gini played 3,644
Thing is that for me, I think teams think that too and then sometimes he's just like 'oh yeah, I forgot I can do this, la la la, skin a couple people and score a goal'
A pissed off Gini is world beating. A bored one could struggle to make an impression on a top 10 side
I think Gini would be a welcome addition to any team's midfield. Barca would be so much more solid with him instead of Vidal, Real could definitely use him, he would walk into United and Juve's midfield, rotation at City and Bayern. Obviously played the most midfield minutes for us in the back-to-back 97 and 99-point seasons and indispensable to his national team too. If that's "mostly shit," I'd like you to name some better midfielders.
Spot-on. I was also hoping that in a couple of years, Gini will take over the Milner role in the squad in terms of leadership and supporting the captain. Ideally, that would be Henderson but just based on their style of play, I think Gini's career will be longer.
If Gini wants out, yes - that is ok.
If Gini wants to stay, happy to leave as is.
If Gini wants to stay, happy to leave as is.
The sad thing is that after a season of winning the title, the super cup and the world club cup, it seems we're having to lose good players to bring in good players. That's the only time a title-winning LFC has been in such a position.
But specifically with Gini, we don't want first choice players messing us around by not committing via a new contract. That's a separate issue and it's one that needs sorting out before the season starts. He's already let his agent play the usual silly games through much of last season. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract, then he can't leave as a free agent, we need to sell him regardless of Thiago.
And that makes the other decision for us.
If he wants to stay, I'd keep hm.
But specifically with Gini, we don't want first choice players messing us around by not committing via a new contract. That's a separate issue and it's one that needs sorting out before the season starts. He's already let his agent play the usual silly games through much of last season. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract, then he can't leave as a free agent, we need to sell him regardless of Thiago.
And that makes the other decision for us.
If he wants to stay, I'd keep hm.
I think Thiago is one of the best midfielders in the world. Top 3-like.
I think Gini is a Top 20-midfielder and he has been one of my favorite players in the squad for some time.. but Thiago.. he's just incredible, very very few at his level.
Van Dijk
Thiago
Salah
Mane
It just won't get much better than that.. except;
Van Dijk
Thiago
Salah
Mane
Dolberg
I think Gini is a Top 20-midfielder and he has been one of my favorite players in the squad for some time.. but Thiago.. he's just incredible, very very few at his level.
Van Dijk
Thiago
Salah
Mane
It just won't get much better than that.. except;
Van Dijk
Thiago
Salah
Mane
Dolberg
Convincing Gini to sign a contract on improved wages would be around 35 to 40m cheaper than landing Thiago this year, so we have to consider that when money is clearly tight.
If Gini is determined to leave and likely join Koeman at Barca then Thiago really is the perfect replacement. Although similar in many ways, Thiago has got better defensive and attacking stats than Gini this year.
If Gini is determined to leave and likely join Koeman at Barca then Thiago really is the perfect replacement. Although similar in many ways, Thiago has got better defensive and attacking stats than Gini this year.
Dolberg... Totally forgot he existed. How is the guy doing wherever he does it?
How about both? I want Gini AND Thiago.. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!?
Thanks for asking but let's not turn this into a Dolberg-thread, all in due time.
*He's doing great btw, like setting Nice on fire.. a fortnight ago;
*He's doing great btw, like setting Nice on fire.. a fortnight ago;
Aha. So then I have something in common with the dude.
The Klopp system clearly requires that the two wider midfielders in the midfield three are tireless workhorses. This ultimately allows the front three to play higher up and closer to each other, essentially making it a proper 4-3-3, instead of the 4-1-4-1 you often see out there.
Thiago doesnt really fit the mould. However, if he did come in, you could possibly see Thiago taking the deep central role, and Fabinho moving to the 'carilero' position with Henderson. Then Klopp still has his two midfield workers and the passer from deep. Like this
Thiago
Henderson Fabinho
Thiago doesnt really fit the mould. However, if he did come in, you could possibly see Thiago taking the deep central role, and Fabinho moving to the 'carilero' position with Henderson. Then Klopp still has his two midfield workers and the passer from deep. Like this
Thiago
Henderson Fabinho
I think Thiago is better than Gini so I'd take the swap.
It seems like Gini has entered that Firmino territory in that people are so convinced he's underrated that he's kind of become overrated as a reaction against it.
Thiago would add some much needed creativity.
It seems like Gini has entered that Firmino territory in that people are so convinced he's underrated that he's kind of become overrated as a reaction against it.
Thiago would add some much needed creativity.
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