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Will refs turn on Ferguson?

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It would appear that the papers/refs are telling him to shove his "apology".
 
Good. Only an idiot would fall for that non-apology, but they've done it many times before. But, rest assured, Allardyce and other Ginsoak servants will now be anxious to note any sign of refs not being fit enough. The Siralex troops will beout.
 
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It would appear that the papers/refs are telling him to shove his "apology".
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Yep. There's a lot about it in the "Sunday Times" today (Rafa's quoted more than once in it) and even the referees' union is getting involved.
 
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“My only intention in speaking publicly, was to deflect the attention from my shite team selection, and subsequently the team's woeful performance, which all-in-all worked a treat really"
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Professionals' trade union Prospect, who represent referees, have urged the Football Association to 'grab the nettle' and take firm action against Sir Alex Ferguson following his comments about Alan Wiley.

The FA have written to Manchester United manager Ferguson to ask him to explain his claim 49-year-old referee Wiley was 'not fit' after taking charge of his side's 2-2 draw with Sunderland at Old Trafford on Saturday.

Alan Leighton, the national secretary of Prospect, said the FA must act to protect the Respect campaign. Leighton claimed a fine or touchline ban for Ferguson may have little impact, and suggested the FA take action that would have a greater effect.

Leighton said: 'I don't know what Sir Alex earns but a small fine or a touchline suspension would be like water off a duck's back to him so I think there has to be some recognition that this is a serious allegation that needs to be properly dealt with and punished severely.

'There are issues around suspension from the job, that would be new territory that hasn't happened before but I think the FA has to grab the nettle on this one.
Water off a duck's back: A small fine or touchline ban would mean little to Ferguson, claim Prospect
'Because a small fine or a large fine would be like water off a duck's back, there has to be some sort of punishment that is going to stop people from doing this or otherwise we are going to see more and more of it.

'We have to be talking about punishments that are going to really lead to a change in behaviour.'
Leighton stressed: 'I think the FA has to act on this, I think there is no future with the Respect campaign if the FA don't act. I see the FA have asked him to explain his comments, I'm not really sure what requires explanation.

'I think his comments were fairly clear so I think at this stage I would like to see the FA act and act quickly to restore Alan's reputation and ensure that referees are going to get some protection from what seems to be a growing approach that managers feel they can abuse them.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...lasts-referees-trade-union.html#ixzz0TjMU8GV8



I got loads of flak for suggesting it in the summer, but threatening to go to the courts is just what stopped Ginsoak in his tracks. Because fitness is THE primary criterion that determines whether a ref gets his contract renewed or not, the refs really snapped into action about the Wiley attack and basically told the FA, 'Either you take serious action this time or we'll hand this to our lawyers'. And we see the change. It's always been the case: take Ginsoak out of the private world of the LMA and the cowardly FA, and many of his outbursts are either slanderous or very close to being classed as that. As I said in the summer, you only have to do this once and the line is drawn. It's just a shame he's been allowed to operate according to his own rules for so long.
 
I dont know if its been mentioned or not, but they pro-zoned Wiley in the game, and only 7 players out of 20 outfield players ran further than him in the game.
Unlucky Fergie. Youre fucked.
 
Managers have been criticising the decision making of Referee's for years and years - why the sudden uproar when Fergie questions the fitness of one?

I'm not saying he has the right to suggest it but the difference in reaction seems vast.
 
I believe it was only 4 player who covered more ground. And Wiley made 17 'sprints', where his heart rate exceeded a defined level (contrary to reports on Sky who said he did not sprint once). His average distance away from the ball was 17 metres, the Premier League allowing a maximum of 20 metres from their referees.
 
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Managers have been criticising the decision making of Referee's for years and years - why the sudden uproar when Fergie questions the fitness of one?

I'm not saying he has the right to suggest it but the difference in reaction seems vast.
[/quote]Decision making implies falibility, fitness implies inability.
Very different.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36296.msg961388#msg961388 date=1255370786]
Managers have been criticising the decision making of Referee's for years and years - why the sudden uproar when Fergie questions the fitness of one?

I'm not saying he has the right to suggest it but the difference in reaction seems vast.
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Referees decisions are accepted as being subject to some scrutiny, mistakes happen and sometimes the ref does not have the best view. You could watch an incident 20 times and still not be sure what actually happened.
The fitness of refs is a different matter. There are stringent tests and standards which referees have to pass before they are eligible to ref. All of the Prem refs are the elite, professionals in their own right. Their fitness is proven, through tests and stats such as the ProZone stuff. Their fitness cannot be questioned as it is accurately measured, and can be shown to be better than ever.
Sour grapes from that cunt, nothing more to it.
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=36296.msg961393#msg961393 date=1255371202]
I take 20000 words to say what Onky said in 7 words.
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I mean *High five*
 
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Managers have been criticising the decision making of Referee's for years and years - why the sudden uproar when Fergie questions the fitness of one?

I'm not saying he has the right to suggest it but the difference in reaction seems vast.
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Because decision making is subjective. They tend to get away with it.
 
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And because the sheer violence of Ferguson's diatribes is way OTT, and always has been.
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Yup, reflected on the pitch too by Rooney, which is another thing that they inexplicably get away with time and time again. Respect and all that eh?
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=36296.msg961436#msg961436 date=1255377827]
And because the sheer violence of Ferguson's diatribes is way OTT, and always has been.
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Yup, reflected on the pitch too by Rooney, which is another thing that they inexplicably get away with time and time again. Respect and all that eh?
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One rule for one and one rule for the rest. As it has been for years.
 
True, but things just might turn out differently this time.  I hope the refs' union does go ahead and force the issue.  Rosco's already pointed out that it could end up rather expensive for the old sod if they do, as well as (hopefully) shutting off his poisonous outbursts, and perhaps those of some of his players while they're at it.
 
Yes, as I've said before, Ginsoak moaning is inevitable, but there are several times a season when he's stepped over the mark and in any profession other than football he would have been scared by lawyers into a retraction. It's only ever needed one moment of sanity by the FA or the refs union or just an individual to say, 'Either take that back or go to court'. He's a classic bully who just doesn't expect people to stand up to him calmly but properly. He loves people to go all Keegan-like, but this is different.
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=36296.msg961452#msg961452 date=1255379886]
Ferguson thinks he is untouchable. He needs a fall.
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Preferably down the stairs in a whiskey induced stupor.
 
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Ferguson thinks he is untouchable. He needs a fall.
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The game needs him to have one as well.

Tell you something - when it happens, the way to it will have been paved by Rafa and his so-called "rant". There's no way of proving this, but I'm convinced we wouldn't have seen all this furore had Rafa not stood up and taken the first swipe at him.
 
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[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=36296.msg961452#msg961452 date=1255379886]
Ferguson thinks he is untouchable. He needs a fall.
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The game needs him to have one as well.

Tell you something - when it happens, the way to it will have been paved by Rafa and his so-called "rant". There's no way of proving this, but I'm convinced we wouldn't have seen all this furore had Rafa not stood up and taken the first swipe at him.
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Yep. The first manager to name him and shame him publicly. Didn't like the timing of it at the time, but was pleased someone did it. Would have preferred someone else had but its done now...
 
I thought Jose was the man to do it and I reckon Fergie knew it too - hence why he always cosied up to Mourinho.
 
Mourinho never had the guts. He didn't mind winding Ginsoak up when he was just passing through, but was a pussycat when he knew he was in the same league. But Ginsoak has always behaved like a mafia don - as soon as a new manager arrives, he's on the doorstep with nice words and an arm round the shoulder, and then a veiled threat of retribution if the respect isn't shown. Rafa really was the first to have the courage to rebel.
 
The prob with Rafa though is that his 'rant' coincided with a shite run of results. Its all very well having the balls to do it but you HAVE to back it up on the pitch
 
No manager can with any confidence. That's always a gamble. But that particular sequence was a short-term issue. What is happening to Ginsoak this season stems from that.
 
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[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=36296.msg961452#msg961452 date=1255379886]
Ferguson thinks he is untouchable. He needs a fall.
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Preferably down the stairs in a whiskey induced stupor.
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Head first
 
There is no merit for what Ferguson said and even less evidence. It looks like an excuse and sour grapes and basically lashing out in frustration because of a poor result.

I doubt he'll receive any sanction and will probably believe it'll all blow over if he keeps quiet for long enough. I can't see anyone having the courage to take it further.

That said, they'll be a lot of people not sorry to see the back of him when he finally does pack it in.
 
I don't know about it this time Jexy, the refs have piled the pressure on the FA to act. If they want to retain any sense of credibility they have no option but to throw the book at him.
 
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