Where would you rank the 2025 LFC Champions

[Dreambeliever]

The internationals bore me tears so in the interest of talking about anything bar national teams.

Let’s say we do manage to hang onto our lead and win the title this season.

Where do you rank this title winning team amongst our other title winning or even other teams since the switch to the EPL?

There is a lot of talk about us winning the worst league in ever but I don’t see it that way at all.

Utd routinely won titles with low to mid 80 points totals.

I think this win would be right up just below Chelsea’s Jose’s debut win, Arsenals invincible and Utd’s treble.

 

[MomoWASright]

Below Klopp’s league title. We absolutely blew everyone else out the water. So much that we could’ve not turned up post lockdown and still won it. The way it was eventually won did leave a hollow feeling but that shouldn’t take away what we did the first 28 games or so.

Where it will ultimately end up could depend on our final points total. Hit 90 and it’s certainly up there. Especially with it being an “old squad” with only 1 new face and a new coaching team behind it.

 

[SummerOnions]

That team under Klopp was insane. We had a run of 108 points from 114 at some point. Hard to imagine us ever making a team again so dominant. If we win the league this year it's the second best team of the PL era since it wins the league for sure

 

[peterhague]

I don't think it's a great title winning team. Fantastic achievement, absolutely, but not a particularly brilliant team compared to other winners.

I'd rank it somewhere in the middle, probably. A Chelsea 2010, or a City 2014.

 

[Modo]

The biggest highlights following the EPL switch for me are the following:

Cup treble 2001
CL 2005
Cl 2019
League 2020
Cup double in 2022

For me, the best team is a toss up between the 18/19 team and the 19/20 team, which to be fair was fundamentally the same team.
Difference being Sturridge and Lovren left and Minamino joined.

Next up the team that almost did a quadruple.

Third, has to be the 2001 cup treble team with
Owen, Fowler, Heskey, Barmby, Gerrard, Macca, Babbel, Berger, Hamann, Hyypiä etc. We had some pretty decent players in that team.

Fourth, the 2005 CL winning team.
Let's be honest, looking back we had no right winning the CL that season. That was the result of managerial excellence, luck and sheer miracles. Our 06, 07, 08, and 09 teams were all better. How we managed to win the CL with Cissé and Baros up front is baffling.

So to answer your question, I think our current team (24/25) would rank third on my list.

1. 18/19 + 19/20 teams
2. 21/22 team
3. Current team ( if we don't throw it away)
4. 00/01 cup treble team
5. 04/05 team.

 

[tombrown]

The internationals bore me tears so in the interest of talking about anything bar national teams.

Let’s say we do manage to hang onto our lead and win the title this season.

Where do you rank this title winning team amongst our other title winning or even other teams since the switch to the EPL?

There is a lot of talk about us winning the worst league in ever but I don’t see it that way at all.

Utd routinely won titles with low to mid 80 points totals.

I think this win would be right up just below Chelsea’s Jose’s debut win, Arsenals invincible and Utd’s treble.

Hang on - if you are comparing title wins only then I should remind you Utd won the 99 title with 79 points, 1 point ahead of arsenal. Whatever they did in other comps it was not a standout title win

 

[Farkmaster]

The title id rank as one title, it will be equal to all others with a value of 1.

The team, I'll not be arsed, because I'll largely be adding this one to the end of the same era, and not as the beginning of another team.

I'd love to be wrong on that one.

Lets just win it. It's so fucking hard to win. Some cunt of an arsenal supporter tried that "poor title winners" with me the other day, and I just agreed with him, and kept thanking him. Thanks for giving us this one, we couldn't have done it without you, thanks! Really though, thanks. It'll mean so much to me. We were cheated out of so many others and then you just parted the seas for us. So generous. Etc. etc.

 

[Fabio]

This team isn't the finished article so it feels like(even though we're potentially winning a league) a transitional side. It's a decent side, with 2 (maybe 3) standout performers

I'd we do it again next year, then that team I'll feel more compelled by

 

[Champ]

This team isn't the finished article so it feels like(even though we're potentially winning a league) a transitional side. It's a decent side, with 2 (maybe 3) standout performers

I'd we do it again next year, then that team I'll feel more compelled by

...and do you have any reasons to doubt that we'll win the title again next season? Honestly, with the way things are going, it's hard to find any. I don't expect Slot to make many changes to the squad, and the core of the team will remain intact. It definitely feels we have a great team of course not as good as the 18/19 and 19/20 team. This team has scored in each league match except one game and lost once similar to the 19/20 team

 

[Fabio]

...and do you have any reasons to doubt that we'll win the title again next season? Honestly, with the way things are going, it's hard to find any. I don't expect Slot to make many changes to the squad, and the core of the team will remain intact. It definitely feels we have a great team of course not as good as the 18/19 and 19/20 team. This team has scored in each league match except one game and lost once similar to the 19/20 team

This team isn't good enough to win the league next year. We're too heavily reliant on a once in a generation performance from one player.

If in the summer we spend well, then we may very well win it next year as well. But it's entirely down to the quality of the signings if we do or don't

 

[moron]

The biggest highlights following the EPL switch for me are the following:

Cup treble 2001
CL 2005
Cl 2019
League 2020
Cup double in 2022

For me, the best team is a toss up between the 18/19 team and the 19/20 team, which to be fair was fundamentally the same team.
Difference being Sturridge and Lovren left and Minamino joined.

Next up the team that almost did a quadruple.

Third, has to be the 2001 cup treble team with
Owen, Fowler, Heskey, Barmby, Gerrard, Macca, Babbel, Berger, Hamann, Hyypiä etc. We had some pretty decent players in that team.

Fourth, the 2005 CL winning team.
Let's be honest, looking back we had no right winning the CL that season. That was the result of managerial excellence, luck and sheer miracles. Our 06, 07, 08, and 09 teams were all better. How we managed to win the CL with Cissé and Baros up front is baffling.

So to answer your question, I think our current team (24/25) would rank third on my list.

1. 18/19 + 19/20 teams
2. 21/22 team
3. Current team ( if we don't throw it away)
4. 00/01 cup treble team
5. 04/05 team.

Both Cisse and Baros were internationals and Baros had won the golden boot in the last Euros prior to joining us I think. The name you should be mentioning with dissbeleief that we won with him in the team is Djimi Traore.

 

[Modo]

Both Cisse and Baros were internationals and Baros had won the golden boot in the last Euros prior to joining us I think. The name you should be mentioning with dissbeleief that we won with him in the team is Djimi Traore.

I know that Baros was the top scorer in the Euro's but he was largely shite for us.
And Cissé was a joke and not in a good way.
Rafa got rid of both within two years.

 

[peterhague]

The 2005 team wasn't great, but I wonder if we sometimes exaggerate how bad it was. Plenty of crappy teams have won or got to CL finals.

That Dortmund team last year didn't have a single top class player.

 

[darkstarexodus]

The 2005 team wasn't great, but I wonder if we sometimes exaggerate how bad it was. Plenty of crappy teams have won or got to CL finals.

That Dortmund team last year didn't have a single top class player.

We were huge underdogs in the knockout phases after barely getting out of the group. And finished 5th in the league that year

It'd be like if Aston Villa pulls it off this season.

 

[Modo]

We were huge underdogs in the knockout phases after barely getting out of the group. And finished 5th in the league that year

It'd be like if Aston Villa pulls it off this season.

Exactly.
We were one of the last "crappy" teams to win it. I can't think of another team since then that were on our level.
Though, I do agree that some shitty teams have made it to the final on more than one occasion.

 

[peterhague]

Exactly.
We were one of the last "crappy" teams to win it. I can't think of another team since then that were on our level.
Though, I do agree that some shitty teams have made it to the final on more than one occasion.

Chelsea in 2012 were at least as bad.

 

[Modo]

Chelsea in 2012 were at least as bad.

Wait wait wait...
The team with Terry, Lampard, Obi Mikel, Essien, Ramires, Czech, Drogba, Torres, Sturridge etc?

You having a laugh?

 

[Modo]

I had to look it up, I missed Cashley, Malouda, Meireles and Mata.

You must be having a laugh?

Individually they shit all over us.

 

[Brizzle]

Ranking this amongst our own teams is pointless as we have won it once with the second best points total in history and what probably would have been best ever (invincible centurions) without Covid & lockdowns.

Obviously this team isn't as good. It is also a mix of players on the up and players either at the peak or declining. Klopps winners were almost all at the same stage of their performance and peaked at the same time.

I think we are in a league that is a bit different - the quality in the upper mid table is significantly better e.g. Villa, Newcastle, Brighton, Fulham, Chelsea, Bournemouth, Forest even Brentford, Spurs, United on their day too. This is why overall points expecations are and should be lower. In some of the 2017 - 2021 period it was basically two great teams (unfortunately mostly us as second best) and a lot more fodder in mid table. This is also why our relentless run of being unbeaten is actually really impressive, when you look at the sheer quality of these teams.

 

[moron]

I think we are being to harsh on our team right now, we have some outstanding individuals in our team who are top players for both our club and country.

The 2005 team wasn't great, but I wonder if we sometimes exaggerate how bad it was. Plenty of crappy teams have won or got to CL finals.

That Dortmund team last year didn't have a single top class player.

Actually with you on this. We have to acknowledge that we knocked out both Juventus and Jose's Chelsea on the way which was not small task in itself. The players we had in midfield collectively SG, Alonso, and Didi were not not your average type of players for midfield were they ? I also rated Finan, and JAR very highly, and then you think of the front line players like Garcia, Smicer, and Baros -

Garcia was very good for us in his first season with some clutch moments scoring for us, then you had Smicer who Baros both with reputable international backgrounds before they joined us or were with us but generally crap for us Liverpool - make of them what you will.

I think the issue we have is that we compare our team against the team we played in the final - but part of me also thinks we over-rate those players. I never really rated Crespo for instance, and also at the time the Milan midfield - you could argue Kaka/Seerdorf had a reputation but the others - at that time in Gattuso (not the greatest if you ask me), and especially Pirlo did not have the reputation he had in later years. Also Cafu/Maldini were like 100 years old by then ( I could be wrong but by football standards they were old).

 

[moron]

Oh sorry - just going to say on the CL finals - the Uefa website has a poll which is to decide the greatest CL final so far - you will never guess which final is on top.....

UEFA Champions League

 

[darkstarexodus]

I think we are being to harsh on our team right now, we have some outstanding individuals in our team who are top players for both our club and country.

Actually with you on this. We have to acknowledge that we knocked out both Juventus and Jose's Chelsea on the way which was not small task in itself. The players we had in midfield collectively SG, Alonso, and Didi were not not your average type of players for midfield were they ? I also rated Finan, and JAR very highly, and then you think of the front line players like Garcia, Smicer, and Baros -

Garcia was very good for us in his first season with some clutch moments scoring for us, then you had Smicer who Baros both with reputable international backgrounds before they joined us or were with us but generally crap for us Liverpool - make of them what you will.

I think the issue we have is that we compare our team against the team we played in the final - but part of me also thinks we over-rate those players. I never really rated Crespo for instance, and also at the time the Milan midfield - you could argue Kaka/Seerdorf had a reputation but the others - at that time in Gattuso (not the greatest if you ask me), and especially Pirlo did not have the reputation he had in later years. Also Cafu/Maldini were like 100 years old by then ( I could be wrong but by football standards they were old).

We performed insanely well in the knockout phases - the best defensive rearguard, counterattack side I've ever seen.

But we weren't a good side overall back then.

 

[peterhague]

Wait wait wait...
The team with Terry, Lampard, Obi Mikel, Essien, Ramires, Czech, Drogba, Torres, Sturridge etc?

You having a laugh?

I meant the teams who actually played in the final.

They started Bertrand and Kalou as their wingers. They basically had one great player in Drogba (Lampard was really old at that point) who got them over the line, just like Gerrard did for us.

 

[Modo]

I meant the teams who actually played in the final.

They started Bertrand and Kalou as their wingers. They basically had one great player in Drogba (Lampard was really old at that point) who got them over the line, just like Gerrard did for us.

Ok, well yeah the team in the final was a bit shite.

 

[jexykrodic]

The latest one is always the best ever.

You hear jealous rivals say different and you give it credence, get a grip.

 

[Mystic]

The 2005 team wasn't great, but I wonder if we sometimes exaggerate how bad it was. Plenty of crappy teams have won or got to CL finals.

That Dortmund team last year didn't have a single top class player

Exactly this, we've won it this year because we kept it together and didn't fall apart like so many around us. I'm not trying to downplay the achievement, still a very good team with some exceptional performances, but it's we've lacked the next level that our last title winners had, and that City's best teams had.

It's what makes this contract fiasco even more infuriating, we are in a perfect position to build on this rock solid foundation and take the team to the next level, but it's looking increasingly likely that we'll see wholesale changes including losing some of our best players, and honestly that's pretty unforgivable, this didn't need to happen.

 

[Brizzle]

It is everyone's job as a fan of a rival, to try and discredit any success as much as possible. As we know, given we do (and should!) the same.

 

[Woland]

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