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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39222.msg1066572#msg1066572 date=1268142415]
I don't get upset when fans turn today on the very people they worshipped yesterday.
bees bee
the sky is blue
fans are fickle
that's life.
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Bees buzz.
I don't get upset when fans turn today on the very people they worshipped yesterday.
bees bee
the sky is blue
fans are fickle
that's life.
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Bees buzz.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39222.msg1066670#msg1066670 date=1268152492]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39222.msg1066603#msg1066603 date=1268143858]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39222.msg1066602#msg1066602 date=1268143782]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39222.msg1066526#msg1066526 date=1268138680]
As a side issue, does anyone else think Gerrard looks really tired these days? It's like he could do with a nap.
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He's been utter wank this season mate. If a new manager does come in, then he should seriously consider taking the captaincy off of him.
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I have said a few times on here that for all his marvellous traits as a footballer, he is not a leader of men. He was given the captaincy for the wrong reasons by Houllier.
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I think it's more complex than that though.
I don't think as a man-to-man person he's got the right traits, he's sulky and petulant at times, shown non more so than the CL winning season when he spent the whole year 'threatening' to walk and only really giving in over the Chelsea move because of guilt and because of the input of his family. Harsh? I don't think so, himself and the press have said as much since, his love of the club might have been part of it, but the impression I got was that people talked him down.
Anyway.. When it's come down to the massive games, like Istanbul, Cardiff, Olympiakos etc he's led by example by almost singlehandedly winning games. The problem now is that we are finding we can rely on him less and less for that and when we need someone to lift and motivate his team mates, there's no one really there who's actually designated for such a role. It's not like we don't have leaders in the side, Reina, Masher, Carra and Kuyt all lead by example and have the winning, never say die, mentality and influence. Even if it has been in short supply sometimes this season. But Gerrard doesn't always show the ability to lift a side by organising and by word. He might pick the ball up and put it in the back of the net though (fair enough!), but when he's not doing that he's not really your typical captain by any stretch.
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to be fair I thought the Olympiakos game was the 'pongolle show' with gerrard only becoming interested in the game again when we pulled two goals back. he was poor in that game apart from an amazing winner and if he'd been sent off earlier he could have had no complaints.
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39222.msg1066603#msg1066603 date=1268143858]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39222.msg1066602#msg1066602 date=1268143782]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=39222.msg1066526#msg1066526 date=1268138680]
As a side issue, does anyone else think Gerrard looks really tired these days? It's like he could do with a nap.
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He's been utter wank this season mate. If a new manager does come in, then he should seriously consider taking the captaincy off of him.
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I have said a few times on here that for all his marvellous traits as a footballer, he is not a leader of men. He was given the captaincy for the wrong reasons by Houllier.
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I think it's more complex than that though.
I don't think as a man-to-man person he's got the right traits, he's sulky and petulant at times, shown non more so than the CL winning season when he spent the whole year 'threatening' to walk and only really giving in over the Chelsea move because of guilt and because of the input of his family. Harsh? I don't think so, himself and the press have said as much since, his love of the club might have been part of it, but the impression I got was that people talked him down.
Anyway.. When it's come down to the massive games, like Istanbul, Cardiff, Olympiakos etc he's led by example by almost singlehandedly winning games. The problem now is that we are finding we can rely on him less and less for that and when we need someone to lift and motivate his team mates, there's no one really there who's actually designated for such a role. It's not like we don't have leaders in the side, Reina, Masher, Carra and Kuyt all lead by example and have the winning, never say die, mentality and influence. Even if it has been in short supply sometimes this season. But Gerrard doesn't always show the ability to lift a side by organising and by word. He might pick the ball up and put it in the back of the net though (fair enough!), but when he's not doing that he's not really your typical captain by any stretch.
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to be fair I thought the Olympiakos game was the 'pongolle show' with gerrard only becoming interested in the game again when we pulled two goals back. he was poor in that game apart from an amazing winner and if he'd been sent off earlier he could have had no complaints.
He's our best player, is rightly our captain, and one of the best we have had
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39222.msg1066572#msg1066572 date=1268142415]
I don't get upset when fans turn today on the very people they worshipped yesterday.
bees bee
the sky is blue
fans are fickle
that's life.
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Bees buzz.
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Hahaha. I missed that one.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39222.msg1066572#msg1066572 date=1268142415]
I don't get upset when fans turn today on the very people they worshipped yesterday.
bees bee
the sky is blue
fans are fickle
that's life.
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Bees buzz.
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Hahaha. I missed that one.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39222.msg1066711#msg1066711 date=1268158693]
He's our best player, is rightly our captain, and one of the best we have had
[/quote]He is not one of our best captains, not even close.
He's our best player, is rightly our captain, and one of the best we have had
[/quote]He is not one of our best captains, not even close.
Yeah, whatever you say Stu, you have *bags* of credibility
It's hardly spouting out your ears yourself.
Gerrard for all his playing capabilities doesn't always demonstrate a willingness to lead on the team; a mantle which Carra seems to handle better.
Gerrard for all his playing capabilities doesn't always demonstrate a willingness to lead on the team; a mantle which Carra seems to handle better.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39222.msg1066722#msg1066722 date=1268161183]
Yeah, whatever you say Stu, you have *bags* of credibility
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TBF, he doesnt behave like a captain in many respects. the amont of times I've watched Mascher boil over & rant at ref's only to have another player pull him away & calm him down whilst Stevie stays away proves that.
He can be petulant, quick tempered & finds it difficult to lead in any other way than by example. Thankfully his example is usually working your bollocks off& driving forwards, however when he's off form he doesnt drive the team on.
In short, his captaining ability is extremely limited at best during times when his form is poor, fortunately that's not been too often until this season.
Yeah, whatever you say Stu, you have *bags* of credibility
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TBF, he doesnt behave like a captain in many respects. the amont of times I've watched Mascher boil over & rant at ref's only to have another player pull him away & calm him down whilst Stevie stays away proves that.
He can be petulant, quick tempered & finds it difficult to lead in any other way than by example. Thankfully his example is usually working your bollocks off& driving forwards, however when he's off form he doesnt drive the team on.
In short, his captaining ability is extremely limited at best during times when his form is poor, fortunately that's not been too often until this season.
He's not a good captain, because he walks around feeling sorry for himself, but the larger issue right now is that after indications he might be getting back to good form, he had the worst game I've seen him play in a long long time. He isn't injured either.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39222.msg1066760#msg1066760 date=1268167461]
He's not a good captain, because he walks around feeling sorry for himself, but the larger issue right now is that after indications he might be getting back to good form, he had the worst game I've seen him play in a long long time. He isn't injured either.
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Spot on.
Most of the team played like mongs last night but Gerrard's rubbishness was gob-smacking.
He's not a good captain, because he walks around feeling sorry for himself, but the larger issue right now is that after indications he might be getting back to good form, he had the worst game I've seen him play in a long long time. He isn't injured either.
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Spot on.
Most of the team played like mongs last night but Gerrard's rubbishness was gob-smacking.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39222.msg1066788#msg1066788 date=1268169722]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=39222.msg1066706#msg1066706 date=1268158201]
franklyfrank is right. You don't see the likes of Chelsea and Man United putting up with captains who are prone to arrogance and petulance.
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Roy Keane.
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Sssh, you musn't speak ill of Keano.
DB might come for you.
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=39222.msg1066706#msg1066706 date=1268158201]
franklyfrank is right. You don't see the likes of Chelsea and Man United putting up with captains who are prone to arrogance and petulance.
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Roy Keane.
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Sssh, you musn't speak ill of Keano.
DB might come for you.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39222.msg1066788#msg1066788 date=1268169722]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=39222.msg1066706#msg1066706 date=1268158201]
franklyfrank is right. You don't see the likes of Chelsea and Man United putting up with captains who are prone to arrogance and petulance.
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Roy Keane.
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Mamma Mia was being (very fucking obviously) sarcastic, given that recent captains of those cuntish clubs have included cunts like Plug, Cantona, Ratface, Mongo Terry, and (well done Ryan), Keane.
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=39222.msg1066706#msg1066706 date=1268158201]
franklyfrank is right. You don't see the likes of Chelsea and Man United putting up with captains who are prone to arrogance and petulance.
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Roy Keane.
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Mamma Mia was being (very fucking obviously) sarcastic, given that recent captains of those cuntish clubs have included cunts like Plug, Cantona, Ratface, Mongo Terry, and (well done Ryan), Keane.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39222.msg1066788#msg1066788 date=1268169722]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=39222.msg1066706#msg1066706 date=1268158201]
franklyfrank is right. You don't see the likes of Chelsea and Man United putting up with captains who are prone to arrogance and petulance.
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Roy Keane.
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I was about to point out JT's cuntery at the weekend but then I figured I'd be whooshing myself.
Surely Mammia Mia was taking the piss ?
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=39222.msg1066706#msg1066706 date=1268158201]
franklyfrank is right. You don't see the likes of Chelsea and Man United putting up with captains who are prone to arrogance and petulance.
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Roy Keane.
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I was about to point out JT's cuntery at the weekend but then I figured I'd be whooshing myself.
Surely Mammia Mia was taking the piss ?
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39222.msg1066722#msg1066722 date=1268161183]
Yeah, whatever you say Stu, you have *bags* of credibility
[/quote]Nice try.
Yeah, whatever you say Stu, you have *bags* of credibility
[/quote]Nice try.
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=39222.msg1066845#msg1066845 date=1268178564]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
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Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
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I'm not sure you can really call him that after this season, but yeah.
He's been pretty poor this season, but I don't really feel the need to come down on him at all. He's given enough us over the years to not have to justify anything to anyone.
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
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Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
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I'm not sure you can really call him that after this season, but yeah.
He's been pretty poor this season, but I don't really feel the need to come down on him at all. He's given enough us over the years to not have to justify anything to anyone.
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=39222.msg1066845#msg1066845 date=1268178564]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
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Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
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Steven Gerrard is not the best central midfielder in the World.
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
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Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
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Steven Gerrard is not the best central midfielder in the World.
alonso's better. 8)
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=39222.msg1066845#msg1066845 date=1268178564]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
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Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
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The starting 11 i'm talking about ffs. Not the squad.
Of course he'll make the squad but Carrick, Milner, Lampard and Barry have outperformed him this season.
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
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Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
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The starting 11 i'm talking about ffs. Not the squad.
Of course he'll make the squad but Carrick, Milner, Lampard and Barry have outperformed him this season.
I half expected this to be a lip read of something Gerrard said after someone passed it to Lucas.
I don't care if he's off for, michael carrick ahead of steven gerrard is insane.
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066552#msg1066552 date=1268140339]
He can fuck off to Spain or Italy in the summer for all i care.
No fan of United, Chelsea or Arsenal or any team would accept such a performance from a Captain.
Fucking disgraceful!!!
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your post was fucking disgraceful... he had a fucking stinker and has had a shit season but ...
He can fuck off to Spain or Italy in the summer for all i care.
No fan of United, Chelsea or Arsenal or any team would accept such a performance from a Captain.
Fucking disgraceful!!!
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your post was fucking disgraceful... he had a fucking stinker and has had a shit season but ...
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39222.msg1067094#msg1067094 date=1268228371]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066552#msg1066552 date=1268140339]
He can fuck off to Spain or Italy in the summer for all i care.
No fan of United, Chelsea or Arsenal or any team would accept such a performance from a Captain.
Fucking disgraceful!!!
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your post was fucking disgraceful... he had a fucking stinker and has had a shit season but ...
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This anti Gerrard agenda has been heard before. I'm struggling to think where though.... *ponders*
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066552#msg1066552 date=1268140339]
He can fuck off to Spain or Italy in the summer for all i care.
No fan of United, Chelsea or Arsenal or any team would accept such a performance from a Captain.
Fucking disgraceful!!!
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your post was fucking disgraceful... he had a fucking stinker and has had a shit season but ...
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This anti Gerrard agenda has been heard before. I'm struggling to think where though.... *ponders*
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=39222.msg1067241#msg1067241 date=1268252470]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39222.msg1067094#msg1067094 date=1268228371]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066552#msg1066552 date=1268140339]
He can fuck off to Spain or Italy in the summer for all i care.
No fan of United, Chelsea or Arsenal or any team would accept such a performance from a Captain.
Fucking disgraceful!!!
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your post was fucking disgraceful... he had a fucking stinker and has had a shit season but ...
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This anti Gerrard agenda has been heard before. I'm struggling to think where though.... *ponders*
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Does it rhyme with Farky ?
EDIT:
I'll be less cryptic.
Was it Marky ?
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39222.msg1067094#msg1067094 date=1268228371]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066552#msg1066552 date=1268140339]
He can fuck off to Spain or Italy in the summer for all i care.
No fan of United, Chelsea or Arsenal or any team would accept such a performance from a Captain.
Fucking disgraceful!!!
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your post was fucking disgraceful... he had a fucking stinker and has had a shit season but ...
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This anti Gerrard agenda has been heard before. I'm struggling to think where though.... *ponders*
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Does it rhyme with Farky ?
EDIT:
I'll be less cryptic.
Was it Marky ?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39222.msg1066854#msg1066854 date=1268181054]
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=39222.msg1066845#msg1066845 date=1268178564]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
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Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
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Steven Gerrard is not the best central midfielder in the World.
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Who is in your top 5 Ryan?
[quote author=Peatcheo link=topic=39222.msg1066845#msg1066845 date=1268178564]
[quote author=franklyfrank link=topic=39222.msg1066838#msg1066838 date=1268175306]
I'm amazed Gerrard's England place hasn't been questioned as yet.
[/quote]
Only a certified retard wouldnt take arguably the best CM in the world to the World Cup.
[/quote]
Steven Gerrard is not the best central midfielder in the World.
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Who is in your top 5 Ryan?
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