But he's the captain. If he's fit he plays. And when he plays we lose. It's a joke.
West Ham v Liverpool Match Thread
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But he's the captain. If he's fit he plays. And when he plays we lose. It's a joke.
He's on his way. Though Ox looks like he may be able to do that in the meantime.
On his way where? Back to Sunderland?
What have you heard??!!
He's on his way was in answer to Portly's "I would like to see him replaced with a match-winning midfielder, one who plays defence-splitting passes". I'm referring to Naby Keita !
Jesus Christ don't do that to me.
This was seriously good – I would say Bergkamp-esque. At the post-match on BT sports they were discussing whether he meant it, Gerrard said yes.
Of course he meant it. After that silky turn he knew the defender was coming and put his body in between to shield the ball. Excellent piece of skill, in 1.5 seconds and he was gone.
Errrr... you do know that stat is completely inaccurate, right? Don't let not checking the facts (A-FUCKING-GAIN) stop you though.
Games won with Henderson this season:
Hoffenheim
Palace
Hoffenheim
Arsenal
Leicester (League)
Huddersfield
Marabor
Games Drawn with Henderson:
Watford
Sevilla
Spartak
Newcastle
United
Games lost with Henderson:
City
Leicester (Cup)
Spurs
*incidentally. Coutinho's also irrelevant record this season is W2, D5, L2. Pointless, but while we're playing nonsensical games, eh.
Don't see what's wrong about the stats. They were about conceding goals.
Also it's not Coutinho's job to primarily defend. Also, Coutinho?? How many times has he bailed us out vs let's say Cap Sideways?
Coutinho is playing in his natural role, Henderson when played further forward has chipped in as much as most central midfielders would. He's neither an attack nor defensive midfielder, I'm not sure what your point is. Were no better or worse off than we were with Lucas, because we still need a quality DM. Henderson is doing a job there, that's it. We concede and look vulnerable whether he plays or doesn't, that's down to the system, the lack of a natural dm and a shoddy defense. Can and Gini have been passengers in midfield multiple times and given teams a free pass to run through us, while offering no protection to the defenders. Amazing that you never single them out.
How does every match culminate in you derailing it, talking about Henderson, Lallana or Rafa?
During the game yesterday I don't think we were anywhere near top gear at all but our goals were very good moves.
I repeatedly got pissed off with Can in the first half as he kept giving the ball away but he stepped up second half and played pretty well.
As for people disliking Hendo...
In my opinion he is one of our better midfielders... and blaming him for defeats is just doolally.
I repeatedly got pissed off with Can in the first half as he kept giving the ball away but he stepped up second half and played pretty well.
As for people disliking Hendo...
In my opinion he is one of our better midfielders... and blaming him for defeats is just doolally.
So you're saying we need a quality DM but he's going to be wank anyway because of the system?
Can't it just be that Henderson is wank?
I mean Lucas, the slowest person in the world figured it out after like 2-3 years.
Henderson, when fit and on form, is a really good player, good passing range, good tackler and with a good engine.
I find it hard to see the benefit from a fan point of view in slagging him off.
Henderson is wank??
Errmmm... no.... he isn't...
Which starting XI in the premiership top 6 would he walk into?
You know what, he's not wank he's just bang average. And if average is our standard than we're not going anywhere.
Hasn't anybody done a ratings thread? Well, seems a shame to hide them away in here, but seeing as I'm so late to the party, in here they go!
West Ham are shit. But despite that, Klopp set up to play "a low block" or whatever the fuck cunts call it these days. The two central midfielders both sat deep and were disciplined, with plenty of quick, counter-attacking players ahead of him. It might have been a response to the ragged, dismal, defensive shambles suffered against Spurs, but this was a much more conservative Liverpool.
The opening half an hour was dire, with slow passing and slower thinking causing some initial problems, as Ayew hit a post and Mignolet did his usual braindead wandering. But the turgid start was no clue to how rampant Liverpool then were. Blazingly quick breaks and sharp, aggressive passing simply tore poor old West Ham to shreds, as the crowd watched Mark Noble retire himself from top-flight football mid-game, while his defenders simply switched off and gave up. If we'd had a decent striker on the pitch, we would have scored 6 or 7, but luckily we have Salah, who was doing a pretty good impression of one in this game.
Once more, the obvious benefits that having two skilful speed merchants offer to the team were on show, with quick counter-attacks and blinding pace giving West Ham no chance to regroup or settle.
Mignolet (4) Conceded as usual, was slow off his line for the Ayew chance, and was again hesitant for the goal. Had another spastic moment when he nearly gifted the ball to West Ham as he wandered out of his box and seemed to have no idea what he doing or what he was going to do. Fuck off you fucking clown.
Moreno (7) Another impressive and sound display, his pace is so important at both ends of the pitch, and while he does still make the odd basic error, that ability to make amends with recovery tackles and blocks is important, and his value when attacking and moving the ball rapidly up the pitch is why he is rightly first-choice.
Matip (6) Extra point for the goal, although it obviously wasn't scored with his stupid, lumpy misshapen head. He made a few of those nice, unruffled forays forwards, and wasn't overly threatened, but every time there is any danger, there may as well be a fucking massive red light flashing over his head and a alarm screaming "PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!". He isn't very good at defending, though. If a peak Carra was still playing it could be argued that he'd look a lot better with a proper defender and leader next to him to tell him what to do and where to run, but Carra probably would have lamped him by now.
Klavan (6) Speaking of not very good, here's The Binman! And actually he was actually decent enough, if you ignore the opening 15 minutes anyway. Simple passing, some blocks, but still looks like he's about to collapse into chaos at any second, even if he largely didn't.
Gomez (5) Curate's egg of a game for Gomez. He can look very composed and silky, with a decent burst of pace and nice touch. And then his head falls off. He was entirely to blame for the goal, and let the same player go past him more than once. And also Arnautovic when he came on. Can't be relied upon.
Wijnaldum (6) There were - obviously! - times when it was hard to recall the last touch he had, but he made a few decent interceptions and was decent enough in his defensive duties. He's hardly a man for trench warfare though, I think that's safe to say.
Can (7) Good display on the whole, even if his passing was scrappy at times and there were a few moments were it looked like he was swamped. He never gave up and always showed for the ball, which was impressive and to his credit.
Chamberlain (7) Vital goal and made some impressive quick sprints down the right. Still a bit hit and miss, and goes through long periods without being involved, but this was far more like the level required, if not expected.
Mane (8) A surprising, if very welcome return to the side, and duly caused chaos among the creaking West Ham ranks with his blistering pace and skill. Set up two goals beautifully, but naturally tired in the second half.
Salah (9) Wow. Played in a more central attacking role, leaving the right flank to Chamberlain, but was no less devastating. Always on the ball, or looking for it, constantly moving and able to break into a sprint at any time, he is uncatchable and unplayable. His second goal was the sign of a player in top form and brimming with self-belief. Wonderful.
Firmino (7) Dragged West Ham all over the place with his movement, skill and non-stop running. Made a few important defensive interventions, too. There was a couple of outrageous skilful moves, and set up Chamberlain for his goal with another. Obviously didn't score, because he is a terrible finisher, but this was a good display.
West Ham are shit. But despite that, Klopp set up to play "a low block" or whatever the fuck cunts call it these days. The two central midfielders both sat deep and were disciplined, with plenty of quick, counter-attacking players ahead of him. It might have been a response to the ragged, dismal, defensive shambles suffered against Spurs, but this was a much more conservative Liverpool.
The opening half an hour was dire, with slow passing and slower thinking causing some initial problems, as Ayew hit a post and Mignolet did his usual braindead wandering. But the turgid start was no clue to how rampant Liverpool then were. Blazingly quick breaks and sharp, aggressive passing simply tore poor old West Ham to shreds, as the crowd watched Mark Noble retire himself from top-flight football mid-game, while his defenders simply switched off and gave up. If we'd had a decent striker on the pitch, we would have scored 6 or 7, but luckily we have Salah, who was doing a pretty good impression of one in this game.
Once more, the obvious benefits that having two skilful speed merchants offer to the team were on show, with quick counter-attacks and blinding pace giving West Ham no chance to regroup or settle.
Mignolet (4) Conceded as usual, was slow off his line for the Ayew chance, and was again hesitant for the goal. Had another spastic moment when he nearly gifted the ball to West Ham as he wandered out of his box and seemed to have no idea what he doing or what he was going to do. Fuck off you fucking clown.
Moreno (7) Another impressive and sound display, his pace is so important at both ends of the pitch, and while he does still make the odd basic error, that ability to make amends with recovery tackles and blocks is important, and his value when attacking and moving the ball rapidly up the pitch is why he is rightly first-choice.
Matip (6) Extra point for the goal, although it obviously wasn't scored with his stupid, lumpy misshapen head. He made a few of those nice, unruffled forays forwards, and wasn't overly threatened, but every time there is any danger, there may as well be a fucking massive red light flashing over his head and a alarm screaming "PANIC! PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!". He isn't very good at defending, though. If a peak Carra was still playing it could be argued that he'd look a lot better with a proper defender and leader next to him to tell him what to do and where to run, but Carra probably would have lamped him by now.
Klavan (6) Speaking of not very good, here's The Binman! And actually he was actually decent enough, if you ignore the opening 15 minutes anyway. Simple passing, some blocks, but still looks like he's about to collapse into chaos at any second, even if he largely didn't.
Gomez (5) Curate's egg of a game for Gomez. He can look very composed and silky, with a decent burst of pace and nice touch. And then his head falls off. He was entirely to blame for the goal, and let the same player go past him more than once. And also Arnautovic when he came on. Can't be relied upon.
Wijnaldum (6) There were - obviously! - times when it was hard to recall the last touch he had, but he made a few decent interceptions and was decent enough in his defensive duties. He's hardly a man for trench warfare though, I think that's safe to say.
Can (7) Good display on the whole, even if his passing was scrappy at times and there were a few moments were it looked like he was swamped. He never gave up and always showed for the ball, which was impressive and to his credit.
Chamberlain (7) Vital goal and made some impressive quick sprints down the right. Still a bit hit and miss, and goes through long periods without being involved, but this was far more like the level required, if not expected.
Mane (8) A surprising, if very welcome return to the side, and duly caused chaos among the creaking West Ham ranks with his blistering pace and skill. Set up two goals beautifully, but naturally tired in the second half.
Salah (9) Wow. Played in a more central attacking role, leaving the right flank to Chamberlain, but was no less devastating. Always on the ball, or looking for it, constantly moving and able to break into a sprint at any time, he is uncatchable and unplayable. His second goal was the sign of a player in top form and brimming with self-belief. Wonderful.
Firmino (7) Dragged West Ham all over the place with his movement, skill and non-stop running. Made a few important defensive interventions, too. There was a couple of outrageous skilful moves, and set up Chamberlain for his goal with another. Obviously didn't score, because he is a terrible finisher, but this was a good display.
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Wijnaldum wasnt supposed to be involved and traveled to London only because he was going to Amsterdam to meet up with the Holland squad.
He then had to step up and play because of Hendersons injury. Say whatever you want about some of his away performances but I thought he was very good on Saturday. It was even more impressive when you have in mind that he wasnt even supposed to play because of that injured ankle.
Salah was MOTM, but I thought Firmino as well was excellent. A fantastic performance.
He then had to step up and play because of Hendersons injury. Say whatever you want about some of his away performances but I thought he was very good on Saturday. It was even more impressive when you have in mind that he wasnt even supposed to play because of that injured ankle.
Salah was MOTM, but I thought Firmino as well was excellent. A fantastic performance.
Maybe Everton can pick him up!!
Yes, to be fair Liverpool has been bang average in the past 10 years compared to our illustrious history. I mean, with Lucas being one of our longest serving players it says it all.
Are you saying a bang average captain means a bang average team? So what’s Gerrard, a bang average player?
No, seems like you're the one saying it.
No, I’m saying whoever is captain is irrelevant if you’re surrounded by bang average players like Lucas.
No, you're making this about Lucas.
I'm only saying that Henderson is an average player and shouldnt be the captain of a team like Liverpool.
Now you know what it’s like when threads are de-railed.
Henderson was coming along nicely until he got sent off against Man City when Brodgers nearly won us the league. His foot injury appears to have hampered him to getting back to that standard and probably shouldn’t be captain now.
In what position was he playing?
He was at his best on the right for us I think.
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