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We’re looking at getting Gerrard & Torres some help

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[quote author=Mors link=topic=35225.msg924187#msg924187 date=1250244692]
They did back Rafa for Torres and Masher etc, but we've not seen a penny out of them this summer so far, all been covered by sales.
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it's true they have but this is the season where one last push is required so why be cheap skates now, unless all they are concerned about is finishing top 4.
 
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35225.msg924187#msg924187 date=1250244692]
They did back Rafa for Torres and Masher etc, but we've not seen a penny out of them this summer so far, all been covered by sales.
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I'd rather be where we are now, than have them sling us more borrowed money and get us further in debt.

We are Alonso down and Johnson up with £30m plus surplus in sales over buys. That's good sense in this climate imo.
 
Spion, will you stop going on about instalments etc please? It's nonsense. The transfer fee is the transfer fee. If you want to claim we're only paying £5m for Aquilani this summer, then you also have to take into account all the instalments we're paying this summer on previous summers' transfer fees. That would be way too complicated, so let's just stick to headline transfer fees.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=35225.msg923930#msg923930 date=1250198783]
Ashley Young rumours applenty.

I'll go with that.
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August 05, 2009, 05:08:44 PM
Message by Whitey85Relevance: 44.6%
My moneys going on a swoop for Young next. Downing's signed for Villa and Delph can play out there aswell.

😉

Not that id be very happy but hey ho.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35225.msg924198#msg924198 date=1250245017]
Spion, will you stop going on about instalments etc please? It's nonsense. The transfer fee is the transfer fee. If you want to claim we're only paying £5m for Aquilani this summer, then you also have to take into account all the instalments we're paying this summer on previous summers' transfer fees. That would be way too complicated, so let's just stick to headline transfer fees.
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So from our previous transfers who do you think we could still be paying (large) instalments on? I understand your point but I just don't see that we have loads of meaningful outstanding payments on previous transfers that would affect the budget.

But add the remaining £15m for Aquilani to the spend and we still have £20m and change to spend.
 
If we signed Young, we'd surely have to sell Babel. Two ultrafast, right-footed, erratically skilful LWs is surely one too many.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35225.msg924209#msg924209 date=1250245420]
If we signed Young, we'd surely have to sell Babel. Two ultrafast, right-footed, erratically skilful LWs is surely one too many.

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Yep, I'd agree with that. Although from what I say the other night, Babel was worrying our new RB the other night until it came to worrying the keeper!
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35225.msg924198#msg924198 date=1250245017]
Spion, will you stop going on about instalments etc please? It's nonsense. The transfer fee is the transfer fee. If you want to claim we're only paying £5m for Aquilani this summer, then you also have to take into account all the instalments we're paying this summer on previous summers' transfer fees. That would be way too complicated, so let's just stick to headline transfer fees.
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So from our previous transfers who do you think we could still be paying (large) instalments on? I understand your point but I just don't see that we have loads of meaningful outstanding payments on previous transfers that would affect the budget.

But add the remaining £15m for Aquilani to the spend and we still have £20m and change to spend.
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Given that most transfer fees are paid over the course of the contract, and that most of the players we sign are on five-year contracts or more, I'd say practically all our transfers in the past five years.

It's just too much of a headfuck to calculate it that way.
 
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35225.msg924187#msg924187 date=1250244692]
They did back Rafa for Torres and Masher etc, but we've not seen a penny out of them this summer so far, all been covered by sales.
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You could argue that the regular ventures into the latter stages of the Champions League almost every year (which Rafa deserves some of the credit for) paid for them.
 
I'm agreeing with Bunny here Spion. We've no idea what installments we have to make or indeed receive. Keep it to the headline figures. Things like Johnson i.e. he's £10m + Crouch are fine to use but things like £5m down with a payment plan based on apperances over the next 60 months etc... are just too hard to calculate.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35225.msg924198#msg924198 date=1250245017]
Spion, will you stop going on about instalments etc please? It's nonsense. The transfer fee is the transfer fee. If you want to claim we're only paying £5m for Aquilani this summer, then you also have to take into account all the instalments we're paying this summer on previous summers' transfer fees. That would be way too complicated, so let's just stick to headline transfer fees.
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I agree Bunny + it just serves as a reminder that we probably still owe money on Dossena.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35225.msg924218#msg924218 date=1250245687]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35225.msg924198#msg924198 date=1250245017]
Spion, will you stop going on about instalments etc please? It's nonsense. The transfer fee is the transfer fee. If you want to claim we're only paying £5m for Aquilani this summer, then you also have to take into account all the instalments we're paying this summer on previous summers' transfer fees. That would be way too complicated, so let's just stick to headline transfer fees.
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I agree Bunny + it just serves as a reminder that we probably still owe money on Dossena.
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That's fine. But Dossena's fee is rumoured to be £7m not £20m in total. Even if we paid only 25% down on Dossena (which I feel would be very unlikely given it was done by Parry!) then 25% instalments on £7m are less than £2m a year! And its not like there are tens of transfers that we have in the large sums.

Plus I don't understand why people still don't get the Johnson thing. We were quoted £18m odd by a club who owed us £8m. Therefore we pay £10m and don't receive the £8m income back over several years.

We may have to agree to disagree here chaps! Although I suppose any further (or not) purchases this window may prove the point either way?
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35225.msg924218#msg924218 date=1250245687]

I agree Bunny + it just serves as a reminder that we probably still owe money on Dossena.
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Haha.

+2

I'm too hungover to understand anything evenly mildly complicated.
 
I agree, just use the actual costs and forget about the installments issues.
By my reckoning Since the Americans arrived we have had a net spend of around £50m, including this transfer window. If so that is pretty good at £16.6 m per season and with assets like Mascher and Torres still on the books.
I still say there is money in the pot and something up the sleeve.

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35225.msg924234#msg924234 date=1250246622]
I agree, just use the actual costs and forget about the installments issues.
By my reckoning Since the Americans arrived we have had a net spend of around £50m, including this transfer window. If so that is pretty good at £16.6 m per season and with assets like Mascher and Torres still on the books.
I still say there is money in the pot and something up the sleeve.

regards
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instalments. 😉
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35225.msg924234#msg924234 date=1250246622]

I still say there is money in the pot and something up the sleeve.

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I'd like to think so but my gut feeling is our spending is done
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35225.msg924234#msg924234 date=1250246622]

I still say there is money in the pot and something up the sleeve.

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I'd like to think so but my gut feeling is our spending is done
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Rafa yesterday:

"We will now look for someone to help Torres and Gerrard"
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=35225.msg924244#msg924244 date=1250247250]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35225.msg924234#msg924234 date=1250246622]

I still say there is money in the pot and something up the sleeve.

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I'd like to think so but my gut feeling is our spending is done
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Rafa yesterday:

"We will now look for someone to help Torres and Gerrard"

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Meh. Means nothing to me. Doesn't mean we have money to spend. I hope we do though as I say. We definitely need more cover especially up front.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=35225.msg924258#msg924258 date=1250248044]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35225.msg924248#msg924248 date=1250247449]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=35225.msg924244#msg924244 date=1250247250]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35225.msg924234#msg924234 date=1250246622]

I still say there is money in the pot and something up the sleeve.

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I'd like to think so but my gut feeling is our spending is done
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Rafa yesterday:

"We will now look for someone to help Torres and Gerrard"

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Meh. Means nothing to me. Doesn't mean we have money to spend. I hope we do though as I say. We definitely need more cover especially up front.
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You could well be right Sunny.

I just figure that i may as well hold on to the thought that we'll still sign another major player whilst i can (less time to feel gutted that way).
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=35225.msg924258#msg924258 date=1250248044]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35225.msg924248#msg924248 date=1250247449]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=35225.msg924244#msg924244 date=1250247250]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35225.msg924234#msg924234 date=1250246622]

I still say there is money in the pot and something up the sleeve.

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I'd like to think so but my gut feeling is our spending is done
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Rafa yesterday:

"We will now look for someone to help Torres and Gerrard"

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Meh. Means nothing to me. Doesn't mean we have money to spend. I hope we do though as I say. We definitely need more cover especially up front.
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When Torres gets rested or broken, we're gonna be playing with N'gog and Voronin upfront! lol
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35225.msg924218#msg924218 date=1250245687]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35225.msg924198#msg924198 date=1250245017]
Spion, will you stop going on about instalments etc please? It's nonsense. The transfer fee is the transfer fee. If you want to claim we're only paying £5m for Aquilani this summer, then you also have to take into account all the instalments we're paying this summer on previous summers' transfer fees. That would be way too complicated, so let's just stick to headline transfer fees.
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I agree Bunny + it just serves as a reminder that we probably still owe money on Dossena.
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That's fine. But Dossena's fee is rumoured to be £7m not £20m in total. Even if we paid only 25% down on Dossena (which I feel would be very unlikely given it was done by Parry!) then 25% instalments on £7m are less than £2m a year! And its not like there are tens of transfers that we have in the large sums.

Plus I don't understand why people still don't get the Johnson thing. We were quoted £18m odd by a club who owed us £8m. Therefore we pay £10m and don't receive the £8m income back over several years. We may have to agree to disagree here chaps! Although I suppose any further (or not) purchases this window may prove the point either way?
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Spion Im all for your optimistic view but in this you are wrong. The sale of Crouch would have been included in that years figures for the full amount.

Im sure when we discussed the transfer budget that year, you, and everyone else would have included the full Crouch fee.
 
If Rafa is smiling and saying things along the lines of we are looking for help for Torres and Stevie.... thats has to be a good development IMO, or Ryan could be right and rafa is just looking for somebody to sep up from the current squad.

Whichever way you cut it or indeed stagger it out we have spent sweet fuck all this summer and at minimum we should have the transfer pot that rafa negotiated before he signed his new contract, i would have thought that because he did this after the Keane sale it would be at least 20M. The Yanks must have known what the debt would be in advance surely, they are cunts but they aint stupid, I doubt very much they would have agreed a sum wih Rafa and then reneged on it.

So ridiculously hopeful or not and reading way too much into things Im gonna go optimistic on this utterance because even though we are magic and are gonna fuck spurs right up on sunday we still need that quality addition because as it is we look like we could be playing away to spurs with Lucas as our midfield provider, two recently injured centre backs and a striker who hasnt had a rest in three years with tweaky hamstrings.


Silva please.
 
Simon Mullock : The Daily Mirror


I’d really like to believe those Liverpool fans who tell me that 2010 will be the year of the Kop.

Now when you’re a Mancunian, admitting that kind of thing is supposed to go against the grain. It’s like a Scouser claiming Oasis are better than the Beatles.

In fact, I’m now worried that I’ll be dragged out of my pit in the middle of the night and placed in some stocks in St Ann’s Square to be abused and pelted with rotten fruit.

But there aren’t two footballers in the country more deserving of a championship medal than Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher, one-club men who as well as being great professionals are genuine people.

There’s Rafa Benitez. Don’t buy into Sir Alex Ferguson’s accusations of arrogance. As well as possessing one of the sharpest brains in the game, Benitez is both articulate and charming.

His team pushed Manchester United all the way last season.

Pepe Reina is an outstanding goalkeeper.

In Carragher, Martin Skirtel and Daniel Agger, Liverpool’s have a much-vaunted defence that has been further strengthened by the athleticism of Glen Johnson.

Xabi Alonso will be missed, but if Alberto Aquilani can excel in the cerebral midfields of serie A then the Premier League will hold no fears for him when he has Javier Mascherano as his minder.

Then there’s Gerrard and Fernando Torres. These two are probably - in fact make that definitely - the best front-line pairing in world football.

Liverpool’s 4-1 destruction of Manchester United at Old Trafford had to be the most complete performance of any English team at home or abroad last season.

Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic are the rocks on which Ferguson has built three successive title successes. That afternoon in March, they were made to look distinctly alehouse.

In fact, Liverpool would have been champions if Gerrard and Torres had played more games together.

And that’s where Liverpool’s weakness lies.

Before the Manchester Thought Police issue a warrant for treason, I don’t think it will be Liverpool’s title.

For all his strength from numbers 1 to 11, Benitez is one injury away from a crisis.

Who will score the goals if Gerrard or Torres are missing for any length of time? Sorry Rafa, but not David Ngog, Dirk Kuyt, Andrey Voronin or Ryan Babel.

Who will keep goals out if Reina is absent? Diego Cavalieri or Charles Itandje?

Lucas Leiva certainly doesn’t have the presence to boss a midfield if Mascherano is missing.

And while Gerrard is Liverpool’s captain, it is Carragher who is Benitez’s on-field organiser.

All teams miss their best players. But United showed at the start of last season that they could win without Cristiano Ronaldo.

With Ronaldo and Carlos Tevez departed, they still have three top strikers, while teenager Kiko Macheda will only improve.

They also have three goalkeepers Ferguson can trust.

Their midfield will be stronger than the one that won the title last time thanks to the addition of Antonio Valencia, especially if they can get Owen Hargreaves fit again.

Chelsea underperformed in the Premier League last time. Their squad has lost none of its strength in depth and in Carlo Ancelotti they have a manager with a top club pedigree.

The transfer window doesn’t close until the end of the month, of course, but unless Benitez can use the Alonso cash to make at least two more top signings, Liverpool will be left with the best team in the Premier League but not the best squad.

That isn’t what champions are made of.
 
That's a shocking report from Simon Mullock, it show no end of bias, and absolutely little research into some of our backups!!!
 
"Their midfield will be stronger than the one that won the title last time thanks to the addition of Antonio Valencia"

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[quote author=cochyn link=topic=35225.msg924305#msg924305 date=1250252607]
That's a shocking report from Simon Mullock, it show no end of bias, and absolutely little research into some of our backups!!!


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Yeh but it also alludes to Aquilani setting Serie A on fire. All the reports I've read (I admit I've not seen much of him play) pretty much refer to loads of unfulfilled potential. Our striking backups are shite, no doubts in my mind.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35225.msg924307#msg924307 date=1250252729]
manu showed they could win without ronaldo? er, what?
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Yeah, exactly. What the fuck is he on about?
We beat them without Torres and Gerrard for fuck sake.
 
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