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This is very strange. I skimmed the match thread last night and still people would rather celebrate their own point scoring than celebrate six goals and the fact that we're top of the league.
I didn't! 🙂 I listened to you - like a good student.

Team's doing great but we have to figure out what we'll do for those 4 games when Mane is out.

I think we'll need to do Coutinho-Firmino-Lallana, with Gini-Can-Henderson behind them.
Though with Lallana being so good in the middle partnering Can/Gini and Henderson, we may not see that.
 
This is very strange. I skimmed the match thread last night and still people would rather celebrate their own point scoring than celebrate six goals and the fact that we're top of the league.

Its just weird. Just enjoy the moment. Its 2,5 years since the last time we were top of the league.
 
Its just weird. Just enjoy the moment. Its 2,5 years since the last time we were top of the league.
Exactly. Arguments are great during an international break, pre-season or when we're struggling but I swear some people watch a live game and when we score their immediate thought is how this reflects on them or on others on here....the chuffing internet.
 
That goal was mostly Henderson's fault.

Having watched it back on MOTD I agree - although still see some fault in there from Lucas - he completely abandoned his position. But Hendo just stopped following his man which is criminal.

Oh well - huge win!
 
Dreamy - no not over critical at all - I also noticed this in the first 15 minutes but also cannot believe the number of people giving Coutinho MOTM. I thought he was OK but not the best player today. So glad that on MOTD2 - that Shearer pointed out Firminio who I thought was better than Coutinhio in his overall game today.
Firminio was excellent but I thought everything went through Coutinho and he drew 1-2 players in every time.

I really think he has stepped up this year and the consistency is coming.
 
I didn't! 🙂 I listened to you - like a good student.

Team's doing great but we have to figure out what we'll do for those 4 games when Mane is out.

I think we'll need to do Coutinho-Firmino-Lallana, with Gini-Can-Henderson behind them.
Though with Lallana being so good in the middle partnering Can/Gini and Henderson, we may not see that.
I think it would be the other way round, with Gini taking Mane's position in the front three. Gini, while not as fantastically pacey as Mane, still offers the outlet of pace. Lallana is okay as part of the front three but he's supreme playing in midfield atm.
 
I think it would be the other way round, with Gini taking Mane's position in the front three. Gini, while not as fantastically pacey as Mane, still offers the outlet of pace. Lallana is okay as part of the front three but he's supreme playing in midfield atm.

We need someone with pace and the ability to beat a person to replace him imo ... Gini doesn't do that, though I really like how he's coming along.
 
Yes, we'll be sure to deduct it off the several hundred odd apologies he owes to us.
Ha, no doubt but for a guy who has played fuck all, to come in last minute at CB and control two of the most physical players in the league like he did along with Matip is exceptional.

I thought he was sensational given the circumstances. I think I might have invaded the pitch had he scored.

Piedro was telling me that he was looking over to Clybe after the miss and laughing his head off. He knows himself SCM would have had a melt down if he scored

Pretty great feeling waking up to top of the league
 
Having watched it back on MOTD I agree - although still see some fault in there from Lucas - he completely abandoned his position. But Hendo just stopped following his man which is criminal.

Oh well - huge win!

I thought it was Coutinho who was at fault, he just jogged after his man when Milner went over.
 
We need someone with pace and the ability to beat a person to replace him imo ... Gini doesn't do that, though I really like how he's coming along.
Going by his Newcastle days, I feel he's capable of doing that. He hasn't shown that in a red shirt yet though. We should see plenty of the Sturridge-Origi diamond during this stretch too.
 
This is very strange. I skimmed the match thread last night and still people would rather celebrate their own point scoring than celebrate six goals and the fact that we're top of the league.

Nah. Not strange at all. When you are constantly wrong after deeming you are normally correct you will clutch to any straw of proof that you might have had a point. I mean, when the team goes riot and scores three in 45 minutes after you claimed we can't win if our striker doesn't bag enough goals it looks stupid to point out the wrong guys scored, but as long as that is the only straw you got you hang on to it. The same goes for conceding a goal after you scored 5 (accidentally football teams concede goals) it is possible to point out that the only thing that mattered was a clean sheet as you had points out.

It is quite easy if you just find a few people, like the goalie and the striker, you can easily find episodes where they make mistakes. Then you can point the finger at that mistake and lift your nose and shout "I knew it- I was right the whole time". It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. If Liverpool don't win the league you can always claim that it was due to using a flabby melt as striker when Sturridge didn't play. It is a sad state of mind but it is impossible to argue against?
 
Exactly. Arguments are great during an international break, pre-season or when we're struggling but I swear some people watch a live game and when we score their immediate thought is how this reflects on them or on others on here....the chuffing internet.

I'm not sure it was overly serious, LP.
 
Ha, no doubt but for a guy who has played fuck all, to come in last minute at CB and control two of the most physical players in the league like he did along with Matip is exceptional.

I thought he was sensational given the circumstances. I think I might have invaded the pitch had he scored.

Piedro was telling me that he was looking over to Clybe after the miss and laughing his head off. He knows himself SCM would have had a melt down if he scored

Pretty great feeling waking up to top of the league

Well as shit and physically weak as he is, he did have the exceptional advantage of being a young player and learning from three of the best midfielders in the world at that time, and the likes of which no longer exist in football today. So you would expect him to have those moments where he fleetingly recalls what Alonso would do, and by an act of plagiarism, can have games where he demonstrates a form of intelligence which is far beyond the rest of our team. It would be remiss to not point out that the rest of our team had the considerable disadvantage of being young players looking up to and learning from Lucas himself.
 
We're struggling without that 20 goal a season striker though...
4 players in the top 10, Goals and Assists.

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This is very strange. I skimmed the match thread last night and still people would rather celebrate their own point scoring than celebrate six goals and the fact that we're top of the league.
I agree. People need to let go.
There isnt even a right or wrong to all this. One mans meat and all that jazz.

I used to HATE Luis Garcia, and for all the occassional brilliance he used to piss me off giving the ball away and being lazy and all the sub par crap. I wasnt right, it was just how I felt. Granted I dont actually get why anyone wouldnt rate Firmino (for example) but ultimately you see the game through your eyes, not stats and charts.

Im pretty sure everyone wants every player to play really well every game, and all Bren has asked for is more goals and consistency from Firmino, which ultimately we would all be saying if we were halfway down the table.

I think its important to note right now that the 'team' is the most important element. We arent a one man team anymore and the 'Team' right now is hiding a multitude of sins (keeper, defence, CM at left back, no DM and YES no natural striker)

I also think if people took the time to look they would see Bren being massively complimentary to Firmino in games when he has delivered what Bren is expecting from him.

His goal return for a central striker in a team making as many chances as we do is probably a little off where it should be, but then 2 more assists yesterday......the TEAM is reaping the rewards.

Me I love him, I think hes brilliant and as many times as he creates something brilliant he tracks back and destroys something from the opposition in our box. Strikers who do that dog work rarely score 20+ goals. He isnt Sturridge and never will be. Hes Firmino, and hes brilliant at that.
 
His goal return for a central striker in a team making as many chances as we do is probably a little off where it should be, but then 2 more assists yesterday......the TEAM is reaping the rewards.

That's the crux of the issue; Firmino isn't a central striker. I'm not sure that's such a difficult concept to grasp.
 
Ken Early: Liverpool’s fun is just hard work in disguise

Should Anfield club sustain current scoring rate, they will win the Premier League title
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Roberto Firmino celebrates scoring Liverpool’s fourth goal against Watford at Anfield. Photograph: Dave Howarth/PA Wire.


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It’s only 13 months since Brendan Rodgers was the manager of Liverpool, but already it seems so long ago. When the now-Celtic manager was sacked after winning only three of the first 11 matches last season, Liverpool seemed trapped once again in the chronic cycle of failure in which they had spent most of the previous 25 years – as far from winning the league as they had been at any point since 1990.
Rodgers had left behind a squad that appeared to contain only two players of real class – Philippe Coutinho, who was maddeningly inconsistent, and Daniel Sturridge, who was usually injured.
Of course, Rodgers made sure everyone was well aware it wasn’t all his fault: before Klopp came, the major subject of discussion at Liverpool was the transfer committee that supposedly kept buying players the manager didn’t really want.
The small print of who really had the final say on transfers mattered less than the writing looming on the wall: Liverpool was no longer the kind of club that great players wanted to play for.
Then, a miracle. A great manager decided that Liverpool was the kind of club he wanted to manage. Little more than a year later, Liverpool score six against Watford and the crowd at Anfield sings “If we still had Suárez, he’d be on the bench.”
They lead the Premier League for the first time since Suárez left, and they no longer look like they’re missing him.
Klopp’s team are the top scorers in the league, averaging 19 attempts on goal per game, one more than the next-best team, Manchester City. That is more attempts per game than any Premier League winner has managed since Manchester City in 2012.

Happily for Liverpool, a lot of those shots are hitting the target. They are averaging 7.8 shots on target per game, which is more than any Premier League team has managed over the course of a season since whoscored.com began measuring these statistics in 2009-10.

The only team in the seven-season sample that came close to these figures was the 2009-10 Chelsea side, with 7.6 shots on target per game. Carlo Ancelotti’s team won the title that year, scoring a Premier League-record 103 goals.
The next-closest was the Suárez- inspired Liverpool team of 2013-14, who became the first team to score 100 goals and not win the league.
The statistics suggest a couple of things. First, it will be difficult for Liverpool to sustain these sort of numbers for the rest of the season. Second, if they do, they will score more than 100 goals and win the league.
Having fun

Alan Shearer recently compared Liverpool to Kevin Keegan’s Newcastle team that almost won the league in 1995-96. His reasoning was that Liverpool look like they are having fun; that they play like a team whose manager has told them to go out there and enjoy the game.
Actually, that description would have fit the 2014 team much better. That team really was playing on instinct, winning games with a kind of off-the-cuff brilliance that surprised even themselves. In the end, their title challenge came to the same bitter end as Newcastle’s.
This team is rather different. Liverpool are not playing the kind of football that you get when a manager gathers his players together and tells them to go out and express themselves. That’s what Kenny Dalglish used to tell them to do, and the players usually responded by hitting panicked pot-shots from all over the place as the crowd grew increasingly angry.
Instead, Klopp’s team are playing a highly organised, carefully choreographed game of perpetual off-the-ball movement that testifies to hours of intelligent work on the training ground.
Of course, motivation is part of it. Liverpool are running more than any other team in the league, and one of the reasons for that is that when the ball goes wide, they flood the box with four or five players. They don’t keep players hanging back, worrying about getting caught on the counter. To run that much, and to take those risks, you need to be fired up.
But you also need to keep your head, and this is where Klopp has made real progress. The change is particularly evident when it comes to crosses. The culture of English football is to hit crosses with lots of pace, to drive or “whip” them in towards the target – which would often not even be a player, but an area – the fabled “corridor of uncertainty”. Dalglish bought players like Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam who whipped those pacey balls into the box all day for Andy Carroll to agonisingly fail to get on the end of. It didn’t work.
Head height

The German national team – and now Liverpool – take a different approach. Their crosses are passed, rather than driven. Most of them are aimed to feet rather than at head height. The idea is not to “give the defenders a problem” or “ask them a question” – but to pick out a team-mate with a precise ball, one that ideally leaves the defenders wrong-footed. It helps when you have four options in the box to choose from, but what helps even more is when you spend all week working on it with a manager who never lets up.
Playing like you’re having fun, like most other good things in football, comes down in the end to hard work
 
I agree. People need to let go.
There isnt even a right or wrong to all this. One mans meat and all that jazz.

I used to HATE Luis Garcia, and for all the occassional brilliance he used to piss me off giving the ball away and being lazy and all the sub par crap. I wasnt right, it was just how I felt. Granted I dont actually get why anyone wouldnt rate Firmino (for example) but ultimately you see the game through your eyes, not stats and charts.

Im pretty sure everyone wants every player to play really well every game, and all Bren has asked for is more goals and consistency from Firmino, which ultimately we would all be saying if we were halfway down the table.

I think its important to note right now that the 'team' is the most important element. We arent a one man team anymore and the 'Team' right now is hiding a multitude of sins (keeper, defence, CM at left back, no DM and YES no natural striker)

I also think if people took the time to look they would see Bren being massively complimentary to Firmino in games when he has delivered what Bren is expecting from him.

His goal return for a central striker in a team making as many chances as we do is probably a little off where it should be, but then 2 more assists yesterday......the TEAM is reaping the rewards.

Me I love him, I think hes brilliant and as many times as he creates something brilliant he tracks back and destroys something from the opposition in our box. Strikers who do that dog work rarely score 20+ goals. He isnt Sturridge and never will be. Hes Firmino, and hes brilliant at that.
Brendan went early on Frimino with his useless flabby melt comment and as per usual felt he had to stand by it. He moved the goalposts a little and his point pivoted to 'Frimino doesn't score enough goals to be our leading striker'. Brendan used various match threads to count out the games in which Frimino didn't score in, which was unnecessary as all it did was create a Brendan vs Frimino situation. A lot of posters jumped on this straight away and threw it in his face every time we played well as a team. He rates Frimino so this Brendan vs Frimino situation isn't entirely fair but he did position himself in the firing line and he can take the abuse.
Then there was the whole Galileo moment. I didn't quite get that because everyone agrees with his main points. Our defense could easily cost us the league. Brendan being Brendan always feels he has to hammer home his points, that he is presenting factual evidence and nothing he says is ever incorrect. People agreeing with his obvious statements isn't enough sometimes.
 
At the moment it's just so enjoyable and interesting to watch us play, and after so many years of suffering (minus that one delightful blip a couple of seasons ago) that's something to celebrate. Long may it continue.

The only minor irritations yesterday were our strange sleepiness in the second half that invited Watford to start attacking - we need to learn to really keep disciplined when we reach that stage in games - along with Watford fans' most unimaginative use yet of the now sadly all-purpose manipulation of 'Hey Jude': 'Na...na-na-nananana...Wat-ford'. I mean, bloody hell!
 
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HE'D BE ON THE BENCH
HE'D BE ON THE BENCH
IF WE STILL HAD SUAREZ
HE'D BE ON THE BENCH
It's so not true, but funny regardless. Replace any of that front three with Suarez & the bookies would be paying out on us winning the title within weeks.
 
It's so not true, but funny regardless. Replace any of that front three with Suarez & the bookies would be paying out on us winning the title within weeks.
It was obviously tongue in cheek, but it's still very good.

In any case, Suarez would be happy as Larry in this team, given that when he played for us, he didn't actually have a position really. It was in some ways similar, with Sterling, Sterling and especially Suarez allowed to roam all over the place.
 
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