Vs Utd, at their dump, Sunday 15th Jan, 4pm KO
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Best to stay away from the forums.
I must be in the minority.
I think we will spank them 3-0
I think we will spank them 3-0
When you say "we"...
Don't be silly - 6CM is the best forum in the world when we lose or have a bad day. Seriously there is so much shit you can add to this forum on a bad day - limitless !!!
I'd be trying to get back to our best team, as opposed to our best line-up of individuals.
We've played our best football this season for prolonged spells when Firmino was in the 9, and when Can and Sturridge were on the bench - both of whom take FAR too fucking much out of the ball everytime they get it.
We are a far bigger threat and a far better football team when Firmino is dragging centre halves out and wide whilst playing in the 9. that allows Lallana, Wijnaldum, etc to move into the space.
Mane's a miss, but Coutinho's a great placement.
Go with the same back 5 - or Matip replacing Klavan if he's fit, then this:
---------------HENDO---------------
-----WIJNALDUM--LALLANA---
ORIGI---FIRMINO---COUTINHO
We've played our best football this season for prolonged spells when Firmino was in the 9, and when Can and Sturridge were on the bench - both of whom take FAR too fucking much out of the ball everytime they get it.
We are a far bigger threat and a far better football team when Firmino is dragging centre halves out and wide whilst playing in the 9. that allows Lallana, Wijnaldum, etc to move into the space.
Mane's a miss, but Coutinho's a great placement.
Go with the same back 5 - or Matip replacing Klavan if he's fit, then this:
---------------HENDO---------------
-----WIJNALDUM--LALLANA---
ORIGI---FIRMINO---COUTINHO
Yep, that was my thinking aswell. Get the midfield back with Hendo - Lallana - Wijnaldum.
Sturridge offers nothing (so much for playing the natural finisher) and Can is slowing us down to the extreme. Klopp might play him though given the physical battle we'll be up against when playing a Mourinho team.
We're a much much better team with Firmino as the 9. It will pain some on here, but thats just funny.
I'd go with Ryan's plan. I don't think Firmino is all that but we defo play better set up that way.
You sure Origi on the flank is worthwhile? That NORMALLY means that Firmino has to be there - which is bad for us, as he's wank there.
We really are limited there though - our options are basically Origi, Studge, Ejaria, or Ojo? Very limited ...
I think we'll see
---------------Karius---------------
Clyne--Lovren--Klavan--Milner
--------------Hendo------------------
--------Can----------Wijnaldum----
Lallana-------Firmino-----Coutinho--
Questions marks over the keeper continue but I thought he had a confidence inducing game vs Saints. Away against Utd is a big one for his mentality though.
Hendo has to start, that much is clear from recent games and I think Coutinho will start given absense of other creative units.
---------------Karius---------------
Clyne--Lovren--Klavan--Milner
--------------Hendo------------------
--------Can----------Wijnaldum----
Lallana-------Firmino-----Coutinho--
Questions marks over the keeper continue but I thought he had a confidence inducing game vs Saints. Away against Utd is a big one for his mentality though.
Hendo has to start, that much is clear from recent games and I think Coutinho will start given absense of other creative units.
Mignolet is going to play.
Obviously Lucas will be dropped again, but the likes of Can and Firmino should be very fortunate to play given their recent form.
100%, Firmino has been dire since Coutinho got injured, but I believe thats because Coutinho gets the best out of him and now that he's returned I'm hopeful we'll see an improvement.
Hopefully the last two games have shown people just how important Henderson is to our side, we've been a mess in midfield without him.
Agreed - I was loving Can last year, but the rest of the team has stepped up their fluidity and he hasn't caught up which is now glaringly obvious.
I would almost prefer Lallana in the midfield 3 and put Studge in the front 3.
Agreed re: Firmino too, looks a bit stagnant but hopefully being reunited with his samba buddy will help.
Not as funny as your prediction that he could score 20 goals this season.
Currently has 6.
The only thing accurate about your predictions is that they are always, invariably, predictably wrong.
How is it going with replacing him with Sturridge? Which was your grand master plan.
That looks like its working out great and we look like a much much better team with him, the natural finisher, upfront......
You should post more about Firmino though. The 10 000 posts so far haven't been enough.
My Grand Master Plan was buying a new striker, because Firmino doesn't score enough goals.
I like that. Origi's pace and workrate and Coutinho's trickery either side should give their full backs a lot to think about. Origi should give good protection to our full back too.
There wouldn't be a fair or viable control to make any comparison valid
Mane is obviously our most important player anyway, as he has the pace Firmino lacks, plus he scores more goals
All that aside, it's not unreasonable to suggest that 6 goals in total at this stage of the season is a poor return, and with only 1 goal in his last 10 games he hasn't been performing or playing well for an uncomfortably long time
Are you being deliberately obtuse here, brenners? It's not a difficult point people are making.
Who gives a shit how many he is scoring individually if the team is scoring more and playing better when he plays?
Who gives a shit how many he is scoring individually if the team is scoring more and playing better when he plays?
This 100%.
I know you don't believe in First Choice XIs but it's obvious that (with Mane in for Origi) that this is our's this season (with a defence & gk of course). That front 6 just seems to hum to Klopp's system somehow in a way that we don't with Can or Sturridge. I think Milner could fit into it too if we had decent left back but this is why our results when we rotate aren't quite the same.
I reckon Klopp's plan is to move Sturridge and Can on next summer (although there was a story in the Express today that Juventus want Can now) and replace them with more fluid players. I'd say Origi is likely be given a couple of seasons to develop into an alternative number 9 to someone like Firmino as Origi can give the team a different dynamic. We'll probably sign someone halfway between Frim and Origi and another top quality CM to replace them and then maybe one more (assuming we get into the CL). Bit of work to do at the back too of course but probably just a big CB and LB/RB cover.
I'm pretty excited about the depth we're going to have next season so we can play all our games with teams with lineups that match the system- and we should improve on quality also.
Oh I think Mignolet will start, but I'm pretty ambivalent either way to be honest.
Long term Karius is the better prospect, and I think Klopp is going to find a way to shoe-horn him back into the starting gig, but I'm just not sure it'll be at Old Trafford.
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