Somebody said moreno never got a caught a shout when he let jovetic in. From the replay it looked like allen was shouting at him.
vs Spurs - Sunday 31st Aug 13:30 ko
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Somebody said moreno never got a caught a shout when he let jovetic in. From the replay it looked like allen was shouting at him.
That's the one.
Eye eye. Been a while.
Oddly enough, I remember a thread from a while ago where people mix posters up with other posters... I always confused leftpeg with Mark1975. Don't know why.
Too bigger game to throw Lallana in for a start (bearing in mind he hasn't had a pre-season).
Brizzle's spot on.
Brizzle's spot on.
guys we need to play a consistent back 4 in the league, we need good understanding between the right part and left part. You can always see Lovren pushing up at every opportunity where as at times Skrtel-johnson dropping back...so I would not make too much changes in defense unless required because of injuries. We need to develop solid understanding between players about each other, that will help us a lot.
Only three words but good to see you back posting .. been a while.
You'll be on Oncy's bad side though .... total disregard for the niceties of English grammar (tip : upper case) 😉
And then what happens when Sakho comes in and it all changes ? It really doesn't make much difference as we already have so much churn to the back 4 and it's not as if they'll be training in isolation.
Good to see you back Lefty... worth a first 'like'!
This would be mine too.
Hopefully Moreno will be fit for this game. I liked quite a fair bit of what he did against City, the couple of mistakes aside. I'd like to see Markovic given a start ahead of Coutinho. We wanted competition for places in the squad, and this is what it's about - if you're not pulling your weight, then you ought to get hooked for someone who steps in and impresses.
Would like to see Balotelli start, and us to play two up front; I expect that Sturridge and Balotelli will pull out wide left or right at times, dragging defenders with them and opening space for the other striker, or for Sterling, Henderson and Markovic to run into. I'm expecting a pretty exciting attacking display with this team:
Mignolet
Manquillo Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Gerrard
Henderson Markovic
Sterling
Sturridge Balotelli
Subs: Jones, Sakho, Toure / any fit fullback, Can / Allen, Lallana, Coutinho, Lambert
Hopefully Lallana is fit by Sunday so we can have him on the bench. One of Can or Allen might miss out (or Lambert) on the matchday squad though.
Would like to see Balotelli start, and us to play two up front; I expect that Sturridge and Balotelli will pull out wide left or right at times, dragging defenders with them and opening space for the other striker, or for Sterling, Henderson and Markovic to run into. I'm expecting a pretty exciting attacking display with this team:
Mignolet
Manquillo Skrtel Lovren Moreno
Gerrard
Henderson Markovic
Sterling
Sturridge Balotelli
Subs: Jones, Sakho, Toure / any fit fullback, Can / Allen, Lallana, Coutinho, Lambert
Hopefully Lallana is fit by Sunday so we can have him on the bench. One of Can or Allen might miss out (or Lambert) on the matchday squad though.
The reason I went for Lallana over Markovic was due to his work ethic and we'll need it on Sunday - not sure Markovic has that yet though he will learn. I doubt Can or Allen will miss out on the squad, it will be Toure if there is a fit FB.
The reason for not having Lallana was purely based on questions about his fitness / readiness. The fact that Markovic returned earlier and played a bit of the last game probably suggests he's further along in the fitness / sharpness race. Would expect Lallana to get some minutes though.
On Can / Allen missing out - if you look at the subs I've listed, there's really an odd man out there, unless we're going with only one defender (Sakho), which we certainly won't. That leaves 1 place for a striker and 3 places for midfielders. Might be that Lambert misses out, and all 4 mids get called up, but I don't think that'll happen.
Subs: Jones, Sakho, Toure/FB, Can/Allen, Lallana, Coutinho, Lambert
Amazing the way that Lovren has been partly culpable for 3 of the 4 goals we've conceded, so everyone says drop Skrtel.
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Manq----Skrtel-----Lovren---Moreno
-----------------Allen----------------------
---------Hendo-------Lallana-----------
-Sterling-----Sturridge----Markovic--
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Manq----Skrtel-----Lovren---Moreno
-----------------Allen----------------------
---------Hendo-------Lallana-----------
-Sterling-----Sturridge----Markovic--
Yep. If a FB is fit then Toure dips out. If not then Can or Allen (I can't see it being Allen after City) because there is no way we wouldn't have a striker on the bench.
And what about ours??
They are scoring goals aint they... new better manager...
Its an important game for us, if we win it takes a little out of a direct opponents sails and writes over what seems to be the received dialogue from Monday, namely that we are lacking the genius of Suarez and it's therefore inevitable that we cannot be as good as last season.
It says a lot really that we were written off so comprehensively after Man C away, all the more reason for us mentally to win against Spurs. Last season I think our main improvement was our sheer will to win and the early season win against Man U really gave us confidence that we could do well. So far our defence hasn't in actuality improved and settled down and we are lacking the killer instinct we had upfront for so much of last season, we need to win to keep it in our minds we can go one better and that 1 defeat away against the champions does not mean its all over for our seasons ambition.
Spurs are a good side and too a degree they underperformed last season, they are certainly one of the teams we need to beat if we want to challenge for top 4 or better... weve go to step up and proof we are the real deal again IMO.
Its a massive game.
From the offal - this shouldn't take anyone by surprise:
[article]Brendan Rodgers expects to be able to call on the services of new signing Mario Balotelli for Sunday's trip to Tottenham Hotspur.
Liverpool completed a deal for the Italy striker on Monday afternoon, though confirmation arrived too late for him to figure against Manchester City.
However, Balotelli's Reds debut could come at White Hart Lane this weekend.
Speaking after the 3-1 defeat at the Etihad Stadium, Rodgers told Liverpoolfc.com: "I think by the weekend [he'll be ready to feature].
"He's been into pre-season and he's played three 45-minute games. He might not be up to full match speed, but he's looking fit.
"We've done some analysis on him. The medical and sports science team have worked with him already and he's in very, very good condition.
"He's in to work and he'll be available for the squad for the weekend."[/article]
[article]Brendan Rodgers expects to be able to call on the services of new signing Mario Balotelli for Sunday's trip to Tottenham Hotspur.
Liverpool completed a deal for the Italy striker on Monday afternoon, though confirmation arrived too late for him to figure against Manchester City.
However, Balotelli's Reds debut could come at White Hart Lane this weekend.
Speaking after the 3-1 defeat at the Etihad Stadium, Rodgers told Liverpoolfc.com: "I think by the weekend [he'll be ready to feature].
"He's been into pre-season and he's played three 45-minute games. He might not be up to full match speed, but he's looking fit.
"We've done some analysis on him. The medical and sports science team have worked with him already and he's in very, very good condition.
"He's in to work and he'll be available for the squad for the weekend."[/article]
I think he was talking about ours.
It's more about the defence as a unit, though. Skrtel is all over the place, which forces the defence to be disjointed. You can tell Lovren doesn't trust him. Plus we have just spent 20m on Lovren so he's going to stick around for at least a while longer. As Ryan said in another thread, Skrtel makes mistakes at 29 that a 15 year old shouldn't make. He's always last ditch because he's never in position.
As for the 3 of the 4 goals being Lovren's fault? I can only recall the Aguero one, perhaps Jovetic's second? I'm not blaming him for City's first, and Skrtel played a major part in Southampton's goal.
And Lovren didn't play a part in Southampton's goal? So you've decided after two games together that you can "tell Lovren doesn't trust him"? What a load of speculative crap. I'm not saying Lovren shouldn't play btw, I rate him highly, but the "drop Skrtel" crap is based on us conceding four goals, none of which you could say he was directly, solely responsible for. And it's the defenses job as a unit to cut out mistakes. Lovren allowed Aguero in, he allowed the back heal to outwit him against Southampton, Moreno was slow reacting for the first City goal. I could go on, it's collective but there have been individual errors that were more magnified and obvious than Skrtel not closing a gap. If people had done their jobs in the first instance, the opportunities wouldn't have been there.
Lucas, Gerrard, Sterling, Lovren, Moreno. Take your pick, or just pick Skrtel.
Not really, Lovren marked his man, as you'd expect, and Skrtel didn't move over to close the space.
Lovren marked his man? Great, he marked his man and what happened next? People are seriously missing the wood for the trees on this point, like I said, it's collective, it's not just because Skrtel failed to close a gap, it's other players responsibilities too to react. Look at Gerrard standing ahead of that "gap", he too could have dropped in and closed the space.
This.
One of the City goals on Monday, might have been the first, Skrtel was marking Dzeko I think, but Lovren was still concerned about him and was too close. Skrtel should have told him that he had it covered, and that Lovren should move across and close the gap between himself and Moreno. Skrtel presumably didn't say anything and it all eventually led to their first goal. If Lovren was comfortable with Skrtel marking Dzeko he wouldn't have felt the need to babysit him. If Skrtel communicated with Lovren the defence would have shifted across. Not that speculative.
It was Skrtel's job to close that gap and it was Lucas' man. That goal doesn't happen if Skrtel shifts over 5 yards. Lovren got tight to his man and didn't let him turn in the penalty box. He got beaten by a nice piece of inventive skill - it happens.
Jesus fucking Christ, so again, you're basing this on an assumption of what was and wasn't maybe said on the pitch between them? Lovren doesn't make a decision, so that becomes Skrtel's fault for not telling him he's marking the player that he's clearly (you noticed!) marking.
What a crock of agenda-ish bullshit.
Well Carragher pointed this out as well so I assume you were flailing at the screen when he did so too? Skrtel was behind Lovren and can see the play in front of the both of them. It's Skrtel's job to talk to him and tell him to shift across as a good defence does. He didn't. So he either didn't say anything or Lovren didn't hear him. Either way, Lovren was concerned about whether Skrtel was doing his job or not.
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