It would need to be if, as some have reported, it was twice as much as Barcelona were said to have offered.
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It would need to be if, as some have reported, it was twice as much as Barcelona were said to have offered.
It's official. He did alright but is he fuck a legend. Yes he won a few trophies and yes he played a load of games and yes he scored a couple of important goals, but he's just not up there with our top players. Imagine having to choose between him and souness. You wouldn't have to think very hard.
Imagine having to pick between Alonso and Gini. Some people were tricked because he was a bit better than Lucas. That was a very low bar. I mean Gareth Barry won the league playing in the same position and no-one can argue with me that he was a great player. Gini was the same. A fucking water carrier. Fuck off and enjoy your money but no, you're not a legend.
Imagine turning down the chance to win the CL with Mbappe and £300,000 a week, just to protect your standing on SCM..
I think where the praise is fair is that he has been our only working midfielder for the last 3 years. Even Alonso got injured at times. If Keita had the body of Gini maybe Pep would have quit already
Thing is Souness is an all time great, if were saying that's the standard you have to meet to be considered a legend then there aren't many in the clubs history. Maybe only Gerrard of the modern players measures up to that status.
Agree, but to me that's not a bad thing. "Legend" is a term so heavily overused nowadays that it's hard to know what's meant by it sometimes.
Yeah I agree, I tend not to think of a club legend as a term that can be applied to more than a handful of players. But certainly in modern football circles it's used far more loosely, it's basically any top player that hangs around for 5 years. We are getting to the point where Karius will be a club legend soon.
[article]Liverpool hero John Barnes insists new PSG signing Gini Wijnaldum won't be missed.
Despite helping Liverpool win the Champions League two years ago and the Premier League in 2020, Barnes insists Wijnaldum was NOT a key player.
The former England winger told BonusCodeBets: “Georginio Wijnaldum played well for the Netherlands in their opening match.
"He's been a fantastic player for Liverpool, but he won't be that big a miss for the club.
“Gini doesn't win you matches, generally. The front three do, and the back four do.
“They'll miss him but they'd miss Mo Salah, Roberto Firmino, Sadio Mane, Virgil van Dijk, Joe Gomez or Alisson more.
"He's [Wijnaldum] not Kevin De Bruyne or David Silva, he can be replaced.
“Gini is a hard-working midfield player, of which Liverpool have several.
"He didn't play every week, and Liverpool have got Jordan Henderson, James Milner, Thiago and Fabinho – it's not a position they should be concerned."[/article]
Despite helping Liverpool win the Champions League two years ago and the Premier League in 2020, Barnes insists Wijnaldum was NOT a key player.
The former England winger told BonusCodeBets: “Georginio Wijnaldum played well for the Netherlands in their opening match.
"He's been a fantastic player for Liverpool, but he won't be that big a miss for the club.
“Gini doesn't win you matches, generally. The front three do, and the back four do.
“They'll miss him but they'd miss Mo Salah, Roberto Firmino, Sadio Mane, Virgil van Dijk, Joe Gomez or Alisson more.
"He's [Wijnaldum] not Kevin De Bruyne or David Silva, he can be replaced.
“Gini is a hard-working midfield player, of which Liverpool have several.
"He didn't play every week, and Liverpool have got Jordan Henderson, James Milner, Thiago and Fabinho – it's not a position they should be concerned."[/article]
Yes and no. You need both numbers and quality in each position, and Wijnaldum was an important part of that. Hendo's been injured, Milner's not going to be able to play that often any more and, if we're as successful again as we hope to be, there'll be a Iarge number of games for the squad to cover. I hope Digger's right, but I'll reserve judgment until the new season's been going for a bit.
We've now got strength in central defence, if Kelleher stays I'm comfortable with him as under-study to Becker and I suppose Adrian is OK at #3, he'll soon be usurped by an U23 keeper.
A little worried about FB backups but unlike most I like Williams and think he's going to be a decent player, Tsimitas seems about LC and FAC level, so a long term injury to Robbo would be devastating.
Even with Gini leaving if we get one in which looks a certainty (Neuhaus, Bissouma or the like) then we look much stronger in midfield (7 players - they can't all be injured at the same time again), maybe even stronger than with Gini.
Add one more forward (which looks likely) and we then have 5 for 3 slots and that's as good as we've had it for years.
The squad is taking shape (assuming at least those two players) and good enough to challenge for both PL and CL.
I love the man but he's talking shite here
"He didn't play every week, and Liverpool have got Jordan Henderson, James Milner, Thiago and Fabinho"
Gini played a minimum of 40 games a season every year he was at the club. He's pretty much the definition of a player that played every week. I'd be surprised if any player has made more appearances for us in Klopps time at the club
It's annoying to see Chelsea have a player like Billy Gillmore stuffed down the back of the sofa, a player that can't get into the first team because they are soo stacked.
I would sell injury prone Ox and Shaq and use that money to part fund for a money-ball attacking midfielder. We aren't getting Grealish but Villa's new signing Buendia at 35m proves there are bargains out that there that are within our financial grasp.
Defo need to get Gini replacement unless Klopp is thinking Jones is up to the job of being that guy. Personally I don't see that, Jones is biased as an attacking player, his defensive play needs work.
I would sell injury prone Ox and Shaq and use that money to part fund for a money-ball attacking midfielder. We aren't getting Grealish but Villa's new signing Buendia at 35m proves there are bargains out that there that are within our financial grasp.
Defo need to get Gini replacement unless Klopp is thinking Jones is up to the job of being that guy. Personally I don't see that, Jones is biased as an attacking player, his defensive play needs work.
You mean the guy who was virtually always available for us?
Come again?
Also annoying they have a player like Ampadu who is being completely forgotten.
I'm not going to begrudge them. Tbh I wish we'd operate like that a bit more. We should have a club like Chelsea do in vitesse to try and loan players to consistently. For every piazon there's a mount. How many players have we potentially stifled because we've not given them the opportunity
What the fuck do we have Southampton for?
I'm more upset that we lost him for free rather than losing him, esp. when we have been crying about how tight finances and how our transfer kitty is being affected.
[article]De Jong has been hugely impressed with PSG's new signing, and believes Wijnaldum doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
'He's always on the move and looking for the ball to drop in that area. That's what makes him so special,' the 2010 former World Cup finalist said on ITV punditry duty.
'Talk about an underrated player, I think Gini is up there with the most underrated players when it comes down to his work ethic and also quality-wise.
'When they're missing Van Dijk he's the next man to step up and being the captain that he is he leads by example.'
'Three goals in the group stages of a big tournament is something you can be proud of.'
Sitting alongside De Jong, former Chelsea Ladies player Eni Aluko added that Liverpool will 'struggle to replace' Wijnadlum at Anfield this summer.
He joins PSG on a three-year deal, having won the Champions League and Premier League in five years under Jurgen Klopp.
Barcelona and Bayern Munich also had their eye on the star before he was snatched up by the Ligue 1 side, and Wijnaldum will surely be missed in red. [/article]
[article]De Jong has been hugely impressed with PSG's new signing, and believes Wijnaldum doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
'He's always on the move and looking for the ball to drop in that area. That's what makes him so special,' the 2010 former World Cup finalist said on ITV punditry duty.
'Talk about an underrated player, I think Gini is up there with the most underrated players when it comes down to his work ethic and also quality-wise.
'When they're missing Van Dijk he's the next man to step up and being the captain that he is he leads by example.'
'Three goals in the group stages of a big tournament is something you can be proud of.'
Sitting alongside De Jong, former Chelsea Ladies player Eni Aluko added that Liverpool will 'struggle to replace' Wijnadlum at Anfield this summer.
He joins PSG on a three-year deal, having won the Champions League and Premier League in five years under Jurgen Klopp.
Barcelona and Bayern Munich also had their eye on the star before he was snatched up by the Ligue 1 side, and Wijnaldum will surely be missed in red. [/article]
Yes, a good manager would have played him in his best role, it's the obvious thing to do. But that obvious thing would in turn have very likely blunted the attacking impact of the best front three in europe, all to favour one somewhat decent attacking midfielder. In that universe we'd have never even realised anything was amiss, we'd just assume our front three were not title winning quality, bemoan our luck, sacrifice a few posters in the hopes it will make a difference, all whilst praising wijnaldum and saying how he deserves to play in a better team. Thankfully we had a manager who predicts the outcomes of his decisions across all possible universes, and made the better choice.
It's a bit of an odd one really. On the face of it, yes, that would appear to be the case. However, half the time when he did get into scoring positions for us he didn't exactly look lethal, did he?
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