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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=48622.msg1480097#msg1480097 date=1328861094]
Go for Xen Foro!

I'll vote for that...

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It gets my vote as well. I love it. The social media integration as well is fantastic. It's modern and sleek.
 
Hmmm. There is a problem though. VB owners have launched a copyright infringement case over XenForo back in 2010 which still does not appear resolved.

Internet Brands today has commenced a lawsuit in the courts of England and Wales against Xenforo, and its founders, Kier, Mike and Ashley. The lawsuit is about these claims: infringement of our copyrighted intellectual property, breach of contract, and unfair business practices.
The suit is simple: we claim that Kier, Mike, and Ashley have infringed and violated contracts they signed with us to gain unfair business advantage. As such, Xenforo’s software unfairly stands on the shoulders of more than a decade of development by Jelsoft. Internet Brands owns this intellectual property.

In total, we are stunned by the actions of Kier, Mike, and Ashley and believe they must not fully understand the laws of copyrights, contract or business torts. Perhaps Kier and Mike think they have “refactored” enough of the code to skirt copyright law. Our analysis strongly indicates otherwise and we believe anyone skilled in understanding such things will concur. Perhaps they are of the misguided belief that because they created some of the vBulletin code as Jelsoft employees, they somehow have unique claims to that property. If so, that too is wrong. Kier’s and Mike’s work as Jelsoft employees was the exclusive property of their employer, and the former owners of Jelsoft not only paid Kier and Mike well during their employment, Kier was paid a handsome bonus when Internet Brands bought the business, although no such payment was required.

If the proverbial shoe were on the other foot and rather than buying vBulletin, Internet Brands had instructed our engineers to essentially copy the software, we would have been law breakers. But Internet Brands chose to play by copyright rules and bought the vBulletin intellectual property. And, in our opinion, no matter how Kier, Mike, and Ashley try to “spin” their actions, they have not. A key test for infringement is a determination as to whether a substantial portion of the underlying work amounts to an expression of the prior work. We believe we will be able to easily show that Xenforo is infringing under this test. We have numerous other claims against Xenforo that we believe are equally strong.

We trust that software purchasers understand the risks of infringement of copyright law and act accordingly. We have requested that Kier, Mike and Ashley refrain from selling the software while the issues, inclusive of our infringement claims, are heard in the courts. We intend to pursue our rights broadly and vigorously.
We consider Kier and Mike to be talented developers, but ones who potentially fail to grasp the implications of their actions.

We imagine that many of you in the community will have questions or concerns and we want to be as open and straightforward with all of you throughout this process as possible; however, since this matter is now being handled by the court system, we may be limited in some regards to what we can discuss.

Internet Brands
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Well I vote for Vbull. Though I have yet to visit a 4.0 forum, so cannot speak to the speed issue, I have frequented many forums that use it since it's first iteration over a decade ago, and IME there isn't a better and more complete forum experience. I know it isn't the cheapest option but I can't see anybody being disappointed with it if we were to opt for it.

Having said all of that, I'm not the one who has to implement it, pay for it's upkeep (though I see no reason why we couldn't have a yearly voluntary contribution scheme like this) or fuck about with it. So if you guys want 'X' and feel that it's the best option then I'll be happy with whatever we get.
 
Not to be a wet blanket...but a yearly voluntary contribution thing may put off some users. Let's say we do this once and do it properly.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48622.msg1#msg1 date=1328862050]
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=48622.msg1480097#msg1480097 date=1328861094]
Go for Xen Foro!

I'll vote for that...

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It gets my vote as well. I love it. The social media integration as well is fantastic. It's modern and sleek.
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Used a demo site & read a fair bit now plus use their support site & read threads there (best place to truly gauge opinion) & I'm convinced it's twice best software available by a long chalk.

I've simply never used forum software thats worked so simply, smoothly & intuitively.

We could do with clarification on this legal thing, but TBH even if they are serious (it could well be a cynical way of slowing sales of a competitor) it will take years to establish anything in the courts.

The downside is the cost. It's probably the priciest option.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=48622.msg1480111#msg1480111 date=1328862672]
Not to be a wet blanket...but a yearly voluntary contribution thing may put off some users. Let's say we do this once and do it properly.
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This is for rather hefty costs of implementing new software and a move to new servers though. What I had in mind was maybe a 2-4 week window every year (maybe around crimbo, charitable time of year and all) where IF people wanted to contribute something to the cause, of making SCM the best Liverpool forum on t'internet, they can. I can't see why anybody would have a problem with that.
 
It does smack of that.

We're going to explore all options. I will be looking at Woltlab Burning Board and IP Board too.

So four options for review:

Vbulletin 4.x
Xen Foro
Burning Board
IP Board.
 
Having had a quick goosey at that can we add 'My BB' to the consideration list please? I don't know about it's cost but I have been on a few sites that use it and it is nice quick and simple, and after looking at that review it seems like there's quite a lot of options available.

The 2 ratings I don't particularly trust are the ones for Lefora (which I can't see suiting this sites needs anyway) and PhpBB. I know people who've set up forums using these and, although the PhpBB did eventually turn out ok, they were nothing but headaches.
 
Just browsing live sites that have various forum software on them. Why oh why do people have ads. I know it helps with costs but what a pain in the arse they are.
 
Ads if you aren't logged in possible?

There's invariably more guests viewing this site than there is actual members. I know won't be actually guests but if its possible, I don't think anyone would have any qualms with it; it'd also bring out some of the long time lurkers?
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48622.msg1480127#msg1480127 date=1328864411]
Just browsing live sites that have various forum software on them. Why oh why do people have ads. I know it helps with costs but what a pain in the arse they are.

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It's also a bit counterintuitive given how forums were always meant to be quick.

BTW, didn't realise but MyBB is open source ;D
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=48622.msg1480129#msg1480129 date=1328864763]
Ads if you aren't logged in possible?

There's invariably more guests viewing this site than there is actual members. I know won't be actually guests but if its possible, I don't think anyone would have any qualms with it; it'd also bring out some of the long time lurkers?
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Good idea...may help with running the forum costs..
 
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=48622.msg1480129#msg1480129 date=1328864763]
Ads if you aren't logged in possible?

There's invariably more guests viewing this site than there is actual members. I know won't be actually guests but if its possible, I don't think anyone would have any qualms with it; it'd also bring out some of the long time lurkers?
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Well it's an idea. I don't know about it being a good one. If I see a site with ads I just close it immediately as they do my head in.

It does remind me though. There's registered members on here (and have been for some time) that have never posted - they need to do so soon, even if its one post, otherwise they may find their accounts are removed.
 
Single Tasteful Ad (if we can choose like Stand Chart, BMW, Honda) on the opening page (for those non members) is a good idea.

Btw Sunny, I note that Simple Machine Software was also rated excellent by that site you gave the link to. Because it is free, it does not have all the bells and whistles which the paid software promises?
 
I have put all of the posts from the last page through google translate and I am still none the wiser ???
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=48622.msg1480144#msg1480144 date=1328866431]
I have put all of the posts from the last page through google translate and I am still none the wiser ???
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It's ok Count, this is my analysis of the text.:

I think somebody has a dead duck in a brown paper bag and they are not sure if the should:

A) Eat it
B) Bury it
C) Throw it in a bin

Some kind of vote is taking place.
 
Cheers Brad for clearing that up.
Though I would have suspected with some of the individuals involved that the list of what to do with the duck would be more extensive and there would be at least one deviant option.

I may have to call on your translation skills in the future as well.
 
About the registered members being deleted of haven't posted sunny?

Can we send an all user mail telling everyone this? Otherwise we risk losing potential new posters who currently lurk when we send out mailing lists about the new improve forum.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48622.msg1480215#msg1480215 date=1328871135]
About the registered members being deleted of haven't posted sunny?

Can we send an all user mail telling everyone this? Otherwise we risk losing potential new posters who currently lurk when we send out mailing lists about the new improve forum.
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Oh yeah I'll be informing people. Some have been registered for years without a single post !! Not a problem really but, come on, a single post?? Don't be shy....
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=48622.msg1480272#msg1480272 date=1328874963]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48622.msg1480215#msg1480215 date=1328871135]
About the registered members being deleted of haven't posted sunny?

Can we send an all user mail telling everyone this? Otherwise we risk losing potential new posters who currently lurk when we send out mailing lists about the new improve forum.
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Oh yeah I'll be informing people. Some have been registered for years without a single post !! Not a problem really but, come on, a single post?? Don't be shy....
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*raises hand*
 
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