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Agree with what you said. I was very impressed with GSP's stand up. Kos just kept walking in to his jab. Kos is probably one of the worst boxers in the UFC. He's so technically inept and slow. GSP easily blocked his right hook attempts. The guy really needs to work on his boxing, it was embarrassing to watch especially when you have a guy trained by Freddy Roach in front of you.

Another fighter that impressed me today was Thiago Alves. I knew he had the potential, recent losses kinda swayed me, but he's back in shape.
 
Kos isn't close to being one of the worst boxers in UFC, and that says a lot about the state of development of the UFC. Think about the former heavyweight champion, for instance. Fighters need to improve and will. A lot of these fighters have a single strong base of skills and have recently branched out. Very few can really absorb all that new learning fairly late in their athletic career. The new fighters coming up in the future will be more well rounded.
 
GSP showed that the talk of him being afraid to stand up against people is bollocks. He simply chooses to out-wrestle the strikers and out-strike the wrestlers. He's too good and too smart for the rest of the division.

The person to beat him will have to be good enough to stop the wrestling dominance and better than him in the stand up.. or just someone simply well rounded everywhere (beside the Matt Serra-type lucky punch).

I can't see a welterweight out there right now that can beat him.
 
Regarding Koscheck and his stand up...
Of course there are worse strikers in the UFC than Kos, but the talk before the fight was that he was going to knock GSP out but that plan kinda backfired. I thought that Kos would work on his stand up since the Daley fight but I didn't notice any changes, it's still the wide open guard and right hook thing. Personally I was expecting more from him.

Koscheck is a good wrestler which is great from a defensive point of view.
But a wrestler has to focus on the offensive part of MMA, he has to master BJJ or Boxing. Just having a good ground game doesn't cut it.

Like you said the new guys in MMA are more well rounded a good example is Jon Jones or the lesser known Phil Davis.

GSP, Jose Aldo and Silva are probably the best p4p fighters out there.
I'd usually put Fedor in that list as well but he's not really motivated to fight anymore it seems.
 
St Pierre put on an absolute clinic but I was still disappointed that he didn't really move in to finish Koscheck. Granted, he didn't have any real need to take that risk since he was so dominant but it would have silenced a lot of critics had he finished Kos. Koscheck has developed a great deal in his all-around game since his first fight with GSP but St Pierre is just so far ahead of anyone else in his division. The only fights I have any desire to see at all for him and welterweight are against Shields and Fitch and I want to see them only from a sporting perspective because I don't think either fight will be high in the entertainment department.

Alves looked impressive last night though the style-on-style matchup was very, very favorable for him.

McCorkle - Struve should never have been a co-main event. Oh well.
 
Both Fitch and Shields would be outwrestled and outstruck in a similar manner to Koscheck, IMO. I do think Fitch has the best of chance of beating GSP, though I don't think that chance is even above "33%".

Shields has the best submissions in the welterweight division, but his striking is absolutely awful. Probably one of the worst in MMA. He might have a chance of decision-ing GSP but I just can't see him holding his own on the feet enough to get a chance to grapple with GSP.

In short, GSP is far and away the best at 170.
 
Fitch is not in contention. He didn't impress at all in their last fight and he was totally dominated.
And I don't think anybody would want a match up between those guys because it's got BORING written all over it.
Jake Shields is the way to go. His record speaks for itself , despite the fact that Kampmann recently almost beat him.
Shields is like you said probably the best BJJ fighter in the welterweight division, but I don't see how Shileds could beat GSP.
 
Not really into UFC, though I recognise it's appeal.

I did get a little sucked into that Ultimate Fighter show while working out at the gym recently, and though I didn't get to see it, I was delighted to her that St Pierre hammered that loud-mouthed, crass idiot again. Maybe that arsehole will shut up for a wile now..?
 
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Not really into UFC, though I recognise it's appeal.

I did get a little sucked into that Ultimate Fighter show while working out at the gym recently, and though I didn't get to see it, I was delighted to her that St Pierre hammered that loud-mouthed, crass idiot again. Maybe that arsehole will shut up for a wile now..?
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He won't. Koscheck was in the first Ultimate fighter show and he was exactly the same.
His old wrestling coach even said: Kos never had any real friends in the wrestling team, because he was a dick.
 
Koscheck is actually alright. It's an act for the cameras mostly and it helped get him more money and a title shot. I met him briefly last year in Montreal and he seems okay.
 
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It was an unreal move. I watched the entire card and my jaw dropped when he pulled that off. I'm going to miss the WEC: a lot of quality fights. Hopefully it will make the UFC stronger. Lightweight division is going to be deadly.
 
Koscheck is a totally and utter dick, i was so glad he got his face smashed in. Totally deserved it, probably the biggest dick in the ufc.


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[quote author=millskid link=topic=41902.msg1235052#msg1235052 date=1292631429]
Koscheck is a totally and utter dick, i was so glad he got his face smashed in. Totally deserved it, probably the biggest dick in the ufc.


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[/quote]Good shout couldn't happen to a more deserving guy!!!
But given kos couldn't see GSP properly from the end of the second round I think GSP could have finished, which is one of the few complaints anyone can have with him.
 
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[quote author=millskid link=topic=41902.msg1235052#msg1235052 date=1292631429]
Koscheck is a totally and utter dick, i was so glad he got his face smashed in. Totally deserved it, probably the biggest dick in the ufc.


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[/quote]Good shout couldn't happen to a more deserving guy!!!
But given kos couldn't see GSP properly from the end of the second round I think GSP could have finished, which is one of the few complaints anyone can have with him.
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Yup. GSP is so far ahead of anyone else at welterweight that it's disappointing he seems to have lost that killer instinct. On one hand, his only responsibility is to continue to win and it's up to his opponents to force the issue. But when he is so clearly superior, it's disappointing that he has only finished two of his last six opponents (one being a technicial sub, when BJ's corner threw in the towel).

I don't expect the fight with Shields to be particularly exciting but I hope it tests GSP more than Koscheck, Hardy or Alves did.
 
Sheilds is a fantastic grappler one of the best at any weight imo. If he can dictate where the fight takes place he can beat GSP but that is a huge but... Whats left for Gsp to overcome if/when he beats up sheilds the same way he did to kos?
Either way I'll be in the rogers centre watching it live :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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Sheilds is a fantastic grappler one of the best at any weight imo. If he can dictate where the fight takes place he can beat GSP but that is a huge but... Whats left for Gsp to overcome if/when he beats up sheilds the same way he did to kos?
Either way I'll be in the rogers centre watching it live :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I might be there too. Some friends are contemplating going and I know if they do, I will.
 
Wow! @ Anderson tonight. I felt Anderson would win (even though I had money on Belfort at 3:1) but that was a spectacular finish. The man is leaps and bounds above everyone else in the game. St-Pierre should want no part of him. (Dana has apparently confirmed in the post-event conference that if GSP beats Shields, the superfight will be made.)

Very impressive from Jon Jones. While he has dominated every opponent put in front of him, a part of me wondered if he was perhaps a little over-hyped and made to look good by sub-par, past-their-expiry-date opponents. Bader is a real blue-chipper and got dominated completely. I think the title shot is a bit early still and having only five weeks to prepare is ridiculous (unless the UFC moves the fight to a later date) but wish him the best. Definitely time for a real step-up in competition and even if he loses to Rua he will still have a great career ahead of him.

Griffin-Franklin was a bit dull and I don't think either will be making a run at 205. Torres is a new subscriber to the GSP-Tristar "how not to go for the kill" tactics. He used to be so exciting but didn't show it tonight against whatever midget that was put in front of him.

Ellenberger was fortunate to come out his fight with a victory (though I thought the judges made the right call). He looked like he was too cocky coming into the fight, having been taken out of a fight scheduled with Jon Fitch. But after the first it looked like he had no idea how to deal with Rocha when he realised he wasn't going to roll right through him. Finally, towards the end of the second he took a point-scoring takedown that won the round and probably turned the fight. Rocha's transitions were brilliant but he looked lost in the third, unsure of how to score the points with the judges to win the fight. Bright future for him though, I think.
 
Bones won't need much time getting ready for Shogun though, he has already been training in the Jackson camp and helping Rashad get ready for his title shot that is now Bones', and in addition Greg Jackson has been putting together strategies against Shogun for close to a year now, so rest assured, the 5 week time frame will not be the huge road block we all thought it would be. it's happening, get excited!
 
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Wow! @ Anderson tonight. I felt Anderson would win (even though I had money on Belfort at 3:1) but that was a spectacular finish. The man is leaps and bounds above everyone else in the game. St-Pierre should want no part of him. (Dana has apparently confirmed in the post-event conference that if GSP beats Shields, the superfight will be made.)

Very impressive from Jon Jones. While he has dominated every opponent put in front of him, a part of me wondered if he was perhaps a little over-hyped and made to look good by sub-par, past-their-expiry-date opponents. Bader is a real blue-chipper and got dominated completely. I think the title shot is a bit early still and having only five weeks to prepare is ridiculous (unless the UFC moves the fight to a later date) but wish him the best. Definitely time for a real step-up in competition and even if he loses to Rua he will still have a great career ahead of him.

Griffin-Franklin was a bit dull and I don't think either will be making a run at 205. Torres is a new subscriber to the GSP-Tristar "how not to go for the kill" tactics. He used to be so exciting but didn't show it tonight against whatever midget that was put in front of him.

Ellenberger was fortunate to come out his fight with a victory (though I thought the judges made the right call). He looked like he was too cocky coming into the fight, having been taken out of a fight scheduled with Jon Fitch. But after the first it looked like he had no idea how to deal with Rocha when he realised he wasn't going to roll right through him. Finally, towards the end of the second he took a point-scoring takedown that won the round and probably turned the fight. Rocha's transitions were brilliant but he looked lost in the third, unsure of how to score the points with the judges to win the fight. Bright future for him though, I think.
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+1.

Though I felt Bones was the real deal before this fight. His ease in controlling Bader confirmed it.

I think a title shot against Rua is bit too early for him though. He'll get KO or submitted. Shogun is just too experienced and better on the ground and the feet. The only things Jones has is his wrestling, strength (which was amazing last tonight) and his reach. I would have liked to have seen him up against a former champion first, before fighting the deadliest fighter in the toughest weight division. I think someone like Griffin or Rampage would have been ideal.

As for Anderson Silva. My goodness. I knew he was good, but that kick was ridiculous. I felt bad for Vitor. He came in with the right game plan. Being patient, and waiting for the openings to score points. Was winning the round and not overcommiting (as we all know Anderson loves to COUNTERstrike). What Vitor wasn't expecting was Silva LEADING an exchange with a front kick to face. The surprise more than anything did the damage. He saw it, but it was on his chin before he could do anything about blocking it. Great highlight reel KO. Also, I've noticed whenever Silva gets someone rocked, his punch accuracy seems to be out of this world. Both follow-up shots landed perfectly right on the chin. The man is a deadly finisher, whenever he has you hurt. And he's lean, so you wouldn't think he was the most powerful, but the speed and accuracy of his shots rock/KO most of his opponents.
 
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Bones won't need much time getting ready for Shogun though, he has already been training in the Jackson camp and helping Rashad get ready for his title shot that is now Bones', and in addition Greg Jackson has been putting together strategies against Shogun for close to a year now, so rest assured, the 5 week time frame will not be the huge road block we all thought it would be. it's happening, get excited!
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True enough, though I still think it's soon. But the 129 card looks awful otherwise so they didn't have much choice unless they were able to throw something else big in there.

Not sure if it was a joke or not, but apparently Anderson credited Steven Seagal with teaching him that front kick.
 
I didn't see this (my *magic* box ain't so *magic* anymore, BOOO !) But it's good to hear that Anderson Silva showed his true class again.

His last few fights had been really dissapointing.

I bet the Steven Segal mention wasn't a joke.

Segal got skillz, son !
 
Fedor lost to Antonio Silva tonight, doctor stoppage due to swollen shut eye after the second round. Fedor is now talking retirement. From invincible to retirement in less than a year. Didn't see that coming. And no dream matchup between Fedor and Overeem now either (or a rematch with Werdum if he beats Alistair).

Arlovski got tuned as well. 4th consecutive loss.

Didn't get to see the card, since we don't have Superchannel (which carries the Showtime fights in Canada) but might upgrade the satellite package in time for the next event. Very excited for Overeem v Werdum.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=41902.msg1284859#msg1284859 date=1297589481]
thanks for the spoilers asshole
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Oh, shit, sorry. Didn't even think about it. Sincere apologies, Modo. Assumed anyone looking in the thread would know already.

Again, sincere apology.
 
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=41902.msg1284859#msg1284859 date=1297589481]
thanks for the spoilers asshole
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Oh, shit, sorry. Didn't even think about it. Sincere apologies, Modo. Assumed anyone looking in the thread would know already.

Again, sincere apology.
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No need, it's alright.

Basically I was expecting something like "great fight tonight, Silva put in a great performance"
But your post started with "Fedor lost, arlovski lost".
I didn't' have a chance to look away.
 
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Theres only one way to settle this lads.
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thumb wrestling?
 
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