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Considering everything he’s been thrown into - new partners almost every week and a team in free-fall, in addition to the usual challenge of adapting to a new country and league, he’s done remarkably well. The Davies situation shows how difficult it is for a defensive player to win Klopp’s trust - Kabak has done it pretty much for the beginning and was afforded time to make mistakes and learn from them. Should we exercise our buy option in the summer?
 
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Yes. We should buy. Many here will disagree, and It does not mean that They are right or that I am, but I rate him about Gomez. I believe that he reads the play better, and he gives away less free kicks in bad areas for us. Gomez may have the speed over him, but Kabak for me looks more of a around solid CB than Gomez As does Matip. But we can not rely on matip's fitness, nor if you are a fan of Gomez, his either. Only draw back for me is that he looks better when playing in the VVD position
 
I think that depends on our CB situation in total. Not sure if Kabak has the pace to develop into a top CB, but he has done very well in the last few games.
Hopefully he continues to improve and make it difficult for Klopp to say no to a deal this summer, for him at least.

I have to say I was impressed with some of his involvements yesterday when he was up against Traore.

For a 20 year old kid who has been thrown out in the deep end, he looks like can learn to swin pretty fast.
 
He has the bonus of still be classified as an U21 for another season - which means he doesn’t have to be registered in the squad of 25 for the EPL for another season - before he’ll have to be allocated one of the 17 slots we’re allowed for non-English & Welsh players.

So he’s probably worth it on that basis alone - given that he’s more advanced than any other CB’s at the age range.

So we don’t need to move anyone on to add him to the squad.

If we want to sign a non-English/Welsh CB - it means someone in the current squad has to be moved on.
 
I like him. Great comeback given how much his confidence will have taken a hit when Ali decided to carry out GBH on him against Leicester.
 
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Not sure if Kabak has the pace to develop into a top CB, but he has done very well in the last few games.
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I don't think blinding pace is necessarily a prerequisite for a top CB. It's a useful quality for sure, but your success in this position will be mainly determined by other factors. Kabak's pace is more than adequate if the rest of his game is up to scratch.
 
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I don't think blinding pace is necessarily a prerequisite for a top CB. It's a useful quality for sure, but your success in this position will be mainly determined by other factors. Kabak's pace is more than adequate if the rest of his game is up to scratch.
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Not blinding pace, and I agree. But when you play like we do and will continue to do, and have that high line. You require your CBs to have some decent recovery pace and being very good one on one.

So far its his youthful approach to games that have been telling. Ball watching and being caught out of position. That has gotten better after each game he has played aswell though.

I think Klopp likes him. His mentality and will to win. Many young players would have been destroyed after that goal conceded against Leicester so early in their career at a club like ours, but he doesn't seem affected by that.
 
Our links with him began quite a long time ago and I liked the look of him in some of the clips I saw earlier on. Based on those and on what I've seen so far of Kabak in a Liverpool shirt it's surprising that he came from a side that's not doing well, but then again we signed Stéphane Henchoz from a Premiership relegation team and look how that turned out. Agree with others above that Kabak's worth keeping.
 
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I've stopped watching or reading what Carragher says, its just to much clickbait at the moment. Mentality midgets stuff was so poor.
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Same. He's become a bit monotonous and boring. He comes across a bit bitter too. All in all - taking away his footballing career - a bit of a twat lately really.
 
What are we talking for him? I have £20m in my head?

If that's the price, it's surely worth it for someone who would start as 3rd choice (and can develop) assuming we have VVD and one of Gomez/Matip back to their previous level.
 
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What are we talking for him? I have £20m in my head?

If that's the price, it's surely worth it for someone who would start as 3rd choice (and can develop) assuming we have VVD and one of Gomez/Matip back to their previous level.
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The big question mark for me is that if we buy a 20 year old for a backup position, are they going to get enough proper game time to develop?

Centre-backs, a little like keepers, tend to get rotated and substituted less so the risk is that you end up wasting / stunting a players growth on the bench.

We shouldn't be using the injury record of Gomez and Matip as a get out here either - we need to assume a first choice centre-back pairing that can stay fit.
 
rurikbird said:


Considering everything he’s been thrown into - new partners almost every week and a team in free-fall, in addition to the usual challenge of adapting to a new country and league, he’s done remarkably well. The Davies situation shows how difficult it is for a defensive player to win Klopp’s trust - Kabak has done it pretty much for the beginning and was afforded time to make mistakes and learn from them. Should we exercise our buy option in the summer?
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I am in two minds over him, but your reasoning regarding constant change of partners, adapting to a new country/league, makes it a compelling case. I am not so sure many experienced defenders would have actually found it easy - remember Mauricio Pellegrino - what a load of shit he was. Just thinking about it - he is only 20 years old, and this business about lack of pace is ballshit - he is fast enough for us.
 
rurikbird said:


Considering everything he’s been thrown into - new partners almost every week and a team in free-fall, in addition to the usual challenge of adapting to a new country and league, he’s done remarkably well. The Davies situation shows how difficult it is for a defensive player to win Klopp’s trust - Kabak has done it pretty much for the beginning and was afforded time to make mistakes and learn from them. Should we exercise our buy option in the summer?
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I think most people would be pretty proud if that was their match highlight reel.

Too early to say for certain but there is clearly a lot of natural ability to work with isn't there. Just 20 yrs old. I think for the money (£18m isn't it) there can't be many better CB prospects around and it's clear we aren't stopping there.

Klopp's comments make it seem like VvD, Gomez and Matip will all be here next season ... unless he is just saying that to build up their confidence before letting at least one go. I can see Phillips and Davies going in the Summer, hope Davies gets a game or two before he's gone. However it seems like that French lad could join Kabak and our established three.
 
I've been impressed with Kabak. You keep having to remind yourself he's only twenty years old and performing at this level. I'm not insinuating he's going to grow into some world-class CB, but he's certainly above his years and can handle himself physically in the league. For 18M I'm not sure what more you could ask for. By all accounts he's a Liverpool fan, so you could be seeing 12+ years of service out of him.

If he carries up this level of performance than there's no issue at all with him joining our CB crew. Matip and Gomez essentially count as 1 footballer, so we need 5.

If we get Matip off the wage bill then we should. He's becoming an expensive meme.
 
I would really wait till Villa, Utd and Arsenal games are over. Then only we will be in a position to judge him properly.
I was the biggest supporter of him and Nat playing together. So I desperately want him to prove that he is worth being here for the long term. Then there is always those omens that our 2nd or 3rd choice options have worked out great for us in the past in the transfer market, so all of that and blah blah. .. .
 
The question is whether we are adding him as third choice or whether we should be finding someone who can reliably partner with and is somewhat comparable in level to Virgil.

If the former, 18m seems good business. But we are then counting on one of either Gomez or Matip to be fit. In that case, we may be better going 50m deep on someone who can step into that role. Not sure who that is but that's the question.
 
rurikbird said:
I don't think blinding pace is necessarily a prerequisite for a top CB. It's a useful quality for sure, but your success in this position will be mainly determined by other factors. Kabak's pace is more than adequate if the rest of his game is up to scratch.
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He seem ok for speed, just lacks that brust of acceleration from a standing start if you watch him
 
As things stand I'd be surprised if we don't make the deal permanent in the summer. Hes done well relatively when you consider the shit show he walked into. If he can play well over the next 10 games I don't see what the club would be inclined to pass on the opportunity to sign him and game on another player that will potentially take 6 months to come up to speed.
 
RedStar said:
As things stand I'd be surprised if we don't make the deal permanent in the summer. Hes done well relatively when you consider the shit show he walked into. If he can play well over the next 10 games I don't see what the club would be inclined to pass on the opportunity to sign him and game on another player that will potentially take 6 months to come up to speed.
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Yeah, I think we'll sign him for these reasons. 18 million isn't a lot of money, and he's still very young.

The real question is whether we need to buy another CB. Matip has to be written off, brilliant as he is when he's fit. He simply cannot stay fit. Gomez I have plenty of doubts about too - just too many injuries in his career already - I don't know if we can count on him staying fit all through next year, and whether he'll back to his early 19-20 form.

All this is assuming of course that van Dijk returns to pre-injury form.
 
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