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So Werner's coming over (big of him) for the end of season review. Now the dust has settled is everyone still of the same mind as they were immediatley after the bumming by Stoke? Do those who want BR gone still want that? Is Klopp still the preferred option? Does Mark still want BR to stroke his face?
Having watched how abject Dortmund were against Wolfsburg my personal view that Klopp should replace BR if it's in any was feasible has been shaken. I still want Rodgers gone as I cannot see how he can be trusted with any cash, can turn the dressing room around or attract the right players.
Luckily, I have fuck all say in the matter.
What's the current mood?
 
Wolfsburg are a solid outfit, so i'm not that upset by the final

All I know is Rodgers has had 3 years to set a defence up, spent up to 50m for Sakho, lovren and Moreno, and is still failing horribly.
Success is built on a strong back line, and Rodgers can't do it.

Klopp at least has had some success, several high profile finals, and he did have a solid defence in subotic and hummels.

Plus at least with Klopp we wouldn't get linked to the same old premier league shite players... I'd hope
 
Klopp preferred option.. I just don't see how he can continue.. The last few games he appeared to have lost the dressing room and recent polls suggest 85% of fans want him sacked..

The humping Arsenal gave Aston Villa wont have helped him either... questions need to be asked why did we get turned over by Villa so easily ? As everything went flat and little down hill since that Semi Final defeat...
 
RedNinja said:
Klopp preferred option.. I just don't see how he can continue.. The last few games he appeared to have lost the dressing room and recent polls suggest 85% of fans want him sacked..

The humping Arsenal gave Aston Villa wont have helped him either... questions need to be asked why did we get turned over by Villa so easily ? As everything went flat and little down hill since that Semi Final defeat...
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Agree. The semi was the epitome of his time in charge. Nearly but shit out when it matters.
 
If we have a manager on the level of Klopp or ancelotti etc, Rodgers should go. If we are in the same position we are when we let Kenny go, then Rodgers can stay until we have a manager of Kloop or Ancelotti's stature ready to take over.
 
It's a unique situation currently with both Klopp and Ancelotti seemingy available. This might be an opportunity too good to miss if FSG are familiar with the profiles of these senior Managers.

Otherwise if they keep faith with BR it may well be in a reduced capacity as coach, leaving them to bolster the clubs transfer, contract and recruitment policy.

Personally I think that all the pressure and spotlight will be on BR right from the off and I don't think it fair or wise for the owners to let him sink or swim in the current set-up.

I'd hate for us to be hearing opposing crowds singing "you're getting sacked in the morning" with BR looking broken and the players hands on hips walking around shrugging. Some sort of change must happen.
 
Yeah I'm done with him. 3 years of demonstrating a complete disregard for defending. You win fuck all with that sort of attitude.

As he has aptly shown.
 
Though when your current manager came highly recommended to you by the ex Wigan manager & current Everton manager.... You have to worry about the set up we have and how we got about replacing Rodgers..
 
Yeah, its time for a change. As Ryan says if you cant set up the defensive side of a team after 3 years then that wont happen imho.
I'm also very concerned about the lack of fight from our players and that we NEVER turned up when it mattered this season.
Think he's done all he can do at our club.

If he stays, he'll be gone by November/December.
 
I thought it would be informative to go back and look at Rodgers' first press conference as manager and consider it in terms of what he has and hasn't achieved, but it was so empty of real content it isn't worth the effort. There's always been a hint of a snake oil salesman about him, but it's alarming when you look back at how little of real substance he needed to say to get a bit of backing. One wonders how much more he told Henry and Werner in order to get the job - maybe after a few minutes of formation-speak they went into a daze.

I think if there'd been signs of fight and character in this team, he might just have earned some more time to sort out the signings and recover an effective style of play, but this bunch of players have looked the most lazy and listless in the entire league. Okay, maybe QPR were worse, but even that's debatable. This team were the most gutless I've ever seen play for Liverpool, without any doubt. That's incredibly worrying.

Rodgers hasn't just suffered some bad results and some dodgy signings. He's also overseen an incredibly rapid decline in commitment. By the time of the FA Cup semi final those players just didn't have any drive or pride left. For me, any manager who lets that happen, over a whole season, has lost it.
 
I'd always rather stick by a manager than sack him after he has a bad season, which is what we'd be doing right now. Brendan has put himself in an awful position, if we'd have finish outside the top four he'd have probably been fine, but it's the fact we've crashed out, whilst generally looking clueless, devoid of interest, with seemingly the players having lost interest in the manager.

However, is there better out there who would come to us? Klopp, probably, but questions have to be asked about last season (especially considering we are using that same last season to condemn Rodgers). De Boer? Maybe, but he's never done it in the biggest leagues. Ancelotti? I doubt he's interested.

The short termism in me loves the excitement of change, a new manager, new ideas, new players, however the realist has to ask if it's really worth it? I remember how awful and dull we were before Brendan arrived, we were a quagmire of shit, he came in and renovated this side, giving it exciting attacking football we haven't seen in years, who's to say we won't lose all that if we replace him for the sake of it?

I'm very much on the fence, I don't think we should change unless we are 100% sure that we've got a golden opportunity to sign a top top manager, because I'd much rather another season of defensive peril than Roy Hodgson Mark 2.
 
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

The main problem I have with Rodgers / present management is that we're failing to attract the right calibre of player.

I'm very on the fence when it comes to Klopp. His Dortmund side played some of the most impressive football I've ever seen (at least in the few performances I can remember) but ultimately I just don't know that much about him. I'm not a great follower of German football. Their last season was alarmingly similar to ours and the whole weepy kiss blowing goodbye thing on the back of failure... hmm.

I don't want Ancelotti.

De Boer "feels" right but I know even less about him than I do about Klopp so I'm not quite sure why.
 
Fabio said:
Wolfsburg are a solid outfit, so i'm not that upset by the final

All I know is Rodgers has had 3 years to set a defence up, spent up to 50m for Sakho, lovren and Moreno, and is still failing horribly.
Success is built on a strong back line, and Rodgers can't do it.

Klopp at least has had some success, several high profile finals, and he did have a solid defence in subotic and hummels.

Plus at least with Klopp we wouldn't get linked to the same old premier league shite players... I'd hope
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I'm not sure Rodgers has ever tried to make us solid at the back.

I can't think of a time he set the team up to nullify a threat from the opposition - he seems more concerned with the other side of the game.

He's like the Anti - Rafa
 
Even in the last couple of months of the season before Rodgers came in - which were, incidentally, dire, but still marked by some crazy misses and hittings of the post, rather than the myth of third division level awfulness that Rodgers has been the prime spinner - we still had players who looked like they cared. The frustration and anger was palpable. Rodgers is so eager to depict himself as the man who brought Liverpool Football Club back from the dead, from a place even worse than relegation, but he's talking shite. Even Hodgson's team ween't quite as meek as the team that played Hull and Stoke. The players have already sacked him. The owners should do the same.
 
Buying German players would probably be a great idea but De Boer doesn't wear a stupid yellow hat. It's a tough one.
 
Unless proven better is available, and is willing to come, we should stick not twist.
 
Hang on a second, Blatter might be out of a job soon. We should appoint him, then we'll start winning every fucking thing under The Lying Rag.
 
As pathetic as we've been in the last part of the season, and as much as that suggests a manager whose time is up, we *have* to make the right choice in order to avoid another Hodgson "Can't be any worse than what we've got now - er, yes he can" debacle. I'm not convinced Klopp's the right choice because for me the timing's not right, with him coming off such a poor season (by his standards) - this time next year maybe, but just now he looks to me to need a rest, whether or not he himself thinks so. De Boer - maybe, but his record in Europe is poor. The one I'd go for in a heartbeat is Ancelotti, about whom I don't share keni's reservations. If Ancelotti's not available, maybe Advocaat as caretaker for 12 months and Klopp in this time next year?
 
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