Transfer rumours

[rubans]

We took a proper bullet there. Harry K chose us over Barca. What a dimwitted move that was.
https://www.empireofthekop.com/2019...better-offers-from-barcelona-to-sign-for-lfc/

He was only 24 when he signed for us and 26 when playing champions league final, always felt like he was in his early 30s for some reason.


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[Roopy]

We took a proper bullet there. Harry K chose us over Barca. What a dimwitted move that was.
https://www.empireofthekop.com/2019...better-offers-from-barcelona-to-sign-for-lfc/

What can you do if he was consistently hampered with injures & poor medical treatment from the club?

He had a pretty decent first season before it all went south with the injuries.

Interestingly, it was only after he left the club that external medical staff realised he had a smashed bone in his foot the entire time he was at the club.

How the fuck can that be missed by the club medical staff?

Also, Gerrard would have had the same fate. Early on he had issues with his hamstrings & lower back and it was only when he went abroad to see external medical specialists that the problem was solved.

 

[localny]

He cost us a CL title with his lazy meandering around midfield. One goal in particular.

I don't think there's another player I have so much disrespect for. At least El Hadj put in a shift or two.

 

[manwithnoname]

We took a proper bullet there. Harry K chose us over Barca. What a dimwitted move that was.
https://www.empireofthekop.com/2019...better-offers-from-barcelona-to-sign-for-lfc/

Dimwitted? Behave.

He was one of the most sought after players in Europe at that time, and everyone was desperate to get him.

And when we finally did - although it was always likely - Liverpool fans were delighted.

 

[Shay_K]

I'd want Dunk and Bong, because they sound like they run an orphanage in a Dickens tale.

They sound like 2 barflies from the pub in Walkabout Creek (Crockodile Dundee Franchise)

 

[Red Bird]

What can you do if he was consistently hampered with injures & poor medical treatment from the club?

He had a pretty decent first season before it all went south with the injuries.

Interestingly, it was only after he left the club that external medical staff realised he had a smashed bone in his foot the entire time he was at the club.

How the fuck can that be missed by the club medical staff?

Also, Gerrard would have had the same fate. Early on he had issues with his hamstrings & lower back and it was only when he went abroad to see external medical specialists that the problem was solved.

Agger as well with a bit floating bone in foot which wasn't picked.

 

[moron]

So er .. we signing like .... ANYONE of note this summer. I mean the money the club has like...

 

[bluebell]

So er .. we signing like .... ANYONE of note this summer. I mean the money the club has like...

As it currently stands, nope. Even the rumour monger mill is finding it hard to publish news.

 

[peekay]

Dimwitted? Behave.

He was one of the most sought after players in Europe at that time, and everyone was desperate to get him.

And when we finally did - although it was always likely - Liverpool fans were delighted.

I thought he was the "final piece of the jigsaw" and I was not alone on that.

 

[Markeh]

I was delighted to be getting Kewell.

I'd probably still sign him even knowing what I know now with the caveat that we could use this knowledge to look after him better.

 

[HC]

One of the anchors on SSN was adamant that from reports he'd heard , we wouldn't be signing anyone bar a left back or keeper of required

 

[Hansern]

I dont think anyone has a clue about our transfer plans, but its quite clear we’re not gonna be very active.

A left back and a forward/winger would be my guess.

 

[localny]

We have the name to sign some great talent, and we have a thin squad. We were very lucky with injuries last year. We really should be signing - this team is going to get jaded, and unmotivated - always happens. Everyone needs competition.

 

[MomoWASright]

“Lucky with injuries” sounds like something from blue fume.

 

[The Nomad]

“Lucky with injuries” sounds like something from blue fume.

We were lucky.

 

[Mors]

Even the firm can't be arsed with making up a pretend transfer story for us it's that bad. Lallana and the fucking Ox had better play out of their skin next season for this.

 

[SummerOnions]

Even the firm can't be arsed with making up a pretend transfer story for us it's that bad. Lallana and the fucking Ox had better play out of their skin next season for this.

Two new signings right there

 

[doctor_mac]

We were lucky.

We were alright.

 

[Roopy]

I understand that the club have put contract renewals & signings for the future as the priority.

BUT they are also playing a very dangerous game in not making any new signings that will genuinely push the starting XI for their spots.

We need to have this kind of competition within the squad every season.

 

[Modo]

Is it possible that due to the excessive price tags on players now we won't see any moves until the last few days of the window?
Looked at the list of transfers made by premier League teams. Despite all the talk before the summer about high profile players leaving, almost no one has been sold.

Transfers so far:

Arsenal
In
Gabriel Martinelli - Itano Futebol Clube, undisclosed
Out
Aaron Ramsey - Juventus, free
Petr Cech - retired
Danny Welbeck - released
Stephan Lichtsteiner - released
David Ospina - Napoli
Ben Sheaf - Doncaster, loan

Aston Villa
In
Matt Targett - Southampton, £11m
Jota - Birmingham City, undisclosed
Anwar El Ghazi - Lille, undisclosed
Wesley - Club Brugge, £22m
Ezri Konsa - Brentford, £12m
Kortney Hause - Wolves, undisclosed
Tyrone Mings - Bournemouth, £20m
Bjorn Engels - Stade Reims, undisclosed
Out
Mile Jedinak - released
Alan Hutton - released
Tommy Elphick - released
Albert Adomah - released
Glenn Whelan - released
Ritchie De Laet - released
Mark Bunn - released
Micah Richards - released
Harry Mckirdy - Carlisle, free
Corey Blackett-Taylor - Tranmere, free
Gary Gardner - Birmingham City, undisclosed

Bournemouth
In
Lloyd Kelly - Bristol City, £13m
Out
Emerson Hyndman - Atlanta United, loan

Brighton
In
Leandro Trossard - Genk, £15m
Matt Clarke - Portsmouth, undisclosed
Out
David Ajiboye - released
Jonah Ayunga - released
Tyler Forbes - released
Dessie Hutchinson - released
Reece Meekums - released
Rian O'Sullivan - released
Ben Barclay - Accrington, free

Burnley
In
Jay Rodriguez - West Brom, £10m
Joel Senior - Curzon Ashton, undisclosed
Out
Stephen Ward - released, signed for Stoke
Anders Lindegaard - released
Jon Walters - retired

Chelsea
In
Mateo Kovacic - Real Madrid, undisclosed
Out
Eden Hazard - Real Madrid, undisclosed
Richard Nartey - Burton, loan
Jay Dasilva - Bristol City, undisclosed
Fankaty Dabo - Coventry, free
Ola Aina - Torino, £8.9m
Tomas Kalas - Bristol City, £8m
Charly Musonda - Vitesse, loan

Crystal Palace
In
-
Out
Aaron Wan-Bissaka - Man Utd, £45m
Julian Speroni - released
Jason Puncheon - released
Bakary Sako - released

Everton
In
Andre Gomes - Barcelona, £22m
Jonas Lossl - Huddersfield, to join on July 1
Fabian Delph - Manchester City, undisclosed
Out
Ashley Williams - released
Jonjoe Kenny - Schalke, loan
Kieran Dowell - Derby, loan
Joao Virginia - Reading, loan
Korede Adedoyin - Hamilton, loan
Luke Garbutt - Ipswich, loan
Antonee Robinson - Wigan, undisclosed

Leicester
In
Ayoze Perez - Newcastle, £30m
James Justin - Luton Town, undisclosed
Out
Danny Simpson - released
Shinji Okazaki - released

Liverpool
In
Sepp van den Berg - PEC Zwolle, £1.3m
Out
Rafael Camacho - Sporting Lisbon, £5m
Marko Grujic - Hertha Berlin, season-long loan
Alberto Moreno - released
Daniel Sturridge - released
Adam Bogdan - released
Connor Randall - released
Sheyi Ojo - Rangers, loan
Kamil Grabara - Huddersfield, loan

Manchester City
In
Rodri - Atletico Madrid, £62.5m
Angelino - PSV Eindhoven, £5.3m
Out
Vincent Kompany - Anderlecht, player-manager
Patrick Roberts - Norwich, season-long loan
Fabian Delph - Everton, undisclosed

Manchester United
In
Daniel James - Swansea, £15m
Aaron Wan-Bissaka - Crystal Palace, £45m
Out
Ander Herrera - PSG at end of contract
Antonio Valencia - LDU Quito, free
Matty Willock - Gillingham, free
Regan Poole - MK Dons, free

Newcastle
In
-
Out
Ayoze Perez - Leicester, £30m
Joselu - Alaves, undisclosed

Norwich
In
Josip Drmic - Borussia Monchengladbach, free
Patrick Roberts - Manchester City, season-long loan
Sam Byram - West Ham, £750k
Out
Carlton Morris - Rotherham, loan
Ivo Pinto - Dinamo Zagreb, free
Mason Bloomfield - Crawley, loan
Marcel Franke - Hannover 96, undisclosed
Sean Raggett - Portsmouth, loan

Sheffield United
In
Luke Freeman - QPR, undisclosed
Phil Jagielka - free
Callum Robinson - Preston North End, undisclosed
Ravel Morrison - free
Out
Paul Coutts - Fleetwood, free
Martin Crainie - Luton Town, free
Conor Washington - Hearts, free
Daniel Lafferty - released
Caolan Lavery - released
Oliver Greaves - Barrow, loan
Nathan Thomas - Gillingham, loan
Rhys Norrington-Davies - Rochdale, loan
Jake Eastwood - Scunthorpe, loan
Tyler Smith - Bristol Rovers, loan

Southampton
In
Che Adams - Birmingham City, £15m
Moussa Djenepo - Standard Liege, £15m
Out
Matt Targett - Aston Villa, £11m
Steven Davis - Rangers, free
Sam Gallagher - Blackburn, undisclosed

Tottenham
In
Tanguy Ndombele - Lyon, £65m
Kion Etete - Notts County
Out
Kieran Trippier - Atletico Madrid, undisclosed
Luke Amos - QPR, season-long loan
Connor Ogilvie - Gillingham, undisclosed
Michel Vorm - released after expiration of contract
Dylan Duncan - released
Charlie Freeman - released
Tom Glover - released
Jamie Reynolds - released

Watford
In
-
Out
Tommie Hoban - released after expiration of contract
Miguel Britos - released after expiration of contract
Ashley Charles - released
Andrew Eleftheriou - released
Sam Howes - released
Tom Leighton - released
Joy Mukena - released
Michael Mullings - released
Kai Sanders - released
Sam Sesay - released
Ryan Suckling - released
Ben Tricker - released

West Ham United
In
Roberto - Espanyol, free
David Martin - Millwall, free
Pablo Fornals - Villarreal, £24m
Sebastian Haller - Eintract Frankfurt, £45m
Out
Samir Nasri - released
Andy Carroll - released
Adrian - released
Edimilson Fernandes - FSV Mainz, undisclosed
Lucas Perez - Alaves, undisclosed
Josh Pask - Coventry, free
Nathan Trott - Wimbledon, loan

Wolverhampton Wanderers
In
Raul Jimenez - Benfica, £30m
Out
Helder Costa - Leeds, loan with obligation to buy
Kevin Berkoe - Oxford, free
Ethan Ebanks-Landell - Shrewsbury, undisclosed

 

[StevieM]

I’d imagine the people Klopp wants to sign are not available or extremely over-priced.

We’re not against paying top dollar for the right player - so it can only mean the players we want aren’t available.

Potentially we’re waiting for a few other moves to happen that might make our targets more attainable.

That’s the right strategy- we’ve criticised previous managers and regimes for moving on to lesser targets that often end up being a waste of money - so I’m fine with it as a strategy.

You really do have to factor in whether a few of the youngsters can fill out the squad - I wouldn’t be putting too much emphasis on pre-season friendlies - but we see how Klopp tends to integrate players unless he feels they’re completely ready to hold down a first team place - he’ll integrate them reasonably slowly over time.

We have multiple options for all positions - there isn’t a lot that needs more cover, unless we’re replacing a squad player being sold - and it doesn’t look like we are doing much selling either.

 

[rurikbird]

Asked for an update on transfers and the prospect of outgoings in the coming weeks, Klopp told Liverpoolfc.com in Indiana: “We are pretty relaxed in that, we will see what’s coming up.
“How I said, it will not be the biggest transfer window of LFC; we invested a lot in the team in the last two years, I would say. We cannot spend every year in the same manner.
“People talk about it like, ‘Now another £300m or £200m’. There are maybe only two clubs in the world – it looks in the moment like Barcelona and [Real] Madrid can do the same – City and PSG that can do it every year.
“But we are fine. I’m happy with the team, we are really happy. We have to see if we find maybe one position, if we find something for it, but there’s no real pressure because it’s not about signing a player. We have solutions for all the situations.
“Do we have exactly the solution that everybody from outside would be 100 per cent happy? I don’t think so because people want to have world-class here, world-class here and the guy on the bench has to be world-class as well. That’s not so easy. But we are of course working on it.
“On the outgoing side, we are relaxed. The young boys are here and enjoyed working with us a lot. Not to forget Naby and Shaq are injured still and are not here with us. Players will come back.
“I’m really looking forward to the season, it will be really exciting again.”

==========

I found the part in bold somewhat reassuring – I don't think he's talking about a back-up GK or LB here; sounds like he's talking about strengthening a position and waiting for the right player to become available. Maybe I'm wrong; we won't know for sure until the window closes.

 

[Modo]

I’d imagine the people Klopp wants to sign are not available or extremely over-priced.

We’re not against paying top dollar for the right player - so it can only mean the players we want aren’t available.

Potentially we’re waiting for a few other moves to happen that might make our targets more attainable.

That’s the right strategy- we’ve criticised previous managers and regimes for moving on to lesser targets that often end up being a waste of money - so I’m fine with it as a strategy.

You really do have to factor in whether a few of the youngsters can fill out the squad - I wouldn’t be putting too much emphasis on pre-season friendlies - but we see how Klopp tends to integrate players unless he feels they’re completely ready to hold down a first team place - he’ll integrate them reasonably slowly over time.

We have multiple options for all positions - there isn’t a lot that needs more cover, unless we’re replacing a squad player being sold - and it doesn’t look like we are doing much selling either.

Agree with most of that. Klopp doesn't need to strengthen the "best XI" and even if do sign a player late that player won't be thrown in instantly.
We do have enough cover, even for the left full back spot but the problem is that we're lacking quality cover.
As it is our options for left back are either a right footed CB (Gomez), a right back(Clyne), a right footed midfielder(Milner) or a young unexperienced left back(Larouci/Lewis).
Our options for wing forward are, Ox, Lallana, Origi or Shaqiri. None of them are perfect for the roles Mané and Salah have.

 

[manwithnoname]

I’d imagine the people Klopp wants to sign are not available or extremely over-priced.

We’re not against paying top dollar for the right player - so it can only mean the players we want aren’t available.

Potentially we’re waiting for a few other moves to happen that might make our targets more attainable.

That’s the right strategy- we’ve criticised previous managers and regimes for moving on to lesser targets that often end up being a waste of money - so I’m fine with it as a strategy.

You really do have to factor in whether a few of the youngsters can fill out the squad - I wouldn’t be putting too much emphasis on pre-season friendlies - but we see how Klopp tends to integrate players unless he feels they’re completely ready to hold down a first team place - he’ll integrate them reasonably slowly over time.

We have multiple options for all positions - there isn’t a lot that needs more cover, unless we’re replacing a squad player being sold - and it doesn’t look like we are doing much selling either.

We can reassure ourselves about strategy and patience and how we can pay top dollar for anyone, but that's not really the full story.

We spent lots in the last few Windows (largely funded by Coutinho) and also extended several lucrative contracts.

We can't afford to spend £100-200m every year, even if we wanted to. And that's been obvious all along.

 

[Frogfish]

One of the anchors on SSN was adamant that from reports he'd heard , we wouldn't be signing anyone bar a left back or keeper of required

Then we can't trust that anchor. Klopp has already stated (I posted it in this very thread I believe) that Ming is definitely staying so we definitely don't need another keeper. So if SSN got that wrong then anything they say can't be trusted.

 

[Frogfish]

Asked for an update on transfers and the prospect of outgoings in the coming weeks, Klopp told Liverpoolfc.com in Indiana: “We are pretty relaxed in that, we will see what’s coming up.
“How I said, it will not be the biggest transfer window of LFC; we invested a lot in the team in the last two years, I would say. We cannot spend every year in the same manner.
“People talk about it like, ‘Now another £300m or £200m’. There are maybe only two clubs in the world – it looks in the moment like Barcelona and [Real] Madrid can do the same – City and PSG that can do it every year.
“But we are fine. I’m happy with the team, we are really happy. We have to see if we find maybe one position, if we find something for it, but there’s no real pressure because it’s not about signing a player. We have solutions for all the situations.
“Do we have exactly the solution that everybody from outside would be 100 per cent happy? I don’t think so because people want to have world-class here, world-class here and the guy on the bench has to be world-class as well. That’s not so easy. But we are of course working on it.
“On the outgoing side, we are relaxed. The young boys are here and enjoyed working with us a lot. Not to forget Naby and Shaq are injured still and are not here with us. Players will come back.
“I’m really looking forward to the season, it will be really exciting again.”

==========

I found the part in bold somewhat reassuring – I don't think he's talking about a back-up GK or LB here; sounds like he's talking about strengthening a position and waiting for the right player to become available. Maybe I'm wrong; we won't know for sure until the window closes.

He has to say what he said to reassure current players and to sound upbeat, but I doubt even the players believe that and indeed they would be disappointed if we didn't add top quality to the squad.

I actually liked this sentence from Klopp :
“Do we have exactly the solution that everybody from outside would be 100 per cent happy? I don’t think so because people want to have world-class here, world-class here and the guy on the bench has to be world-class as well. That’s not so easy. But we are of course working on it.

It shows he understands what is needed (as if he didn't anyway) and that they are not sitting back but are trying to find solutions.

 

[Frogfish]

Agree with most of that. Klopp doesn't need to strengthen the "best XI" and even if do sign a player late that player won't be thrown in instantly.
We do have enough cover, even for the left full back spot but the problem is that we're lacking quality cover.
As it is our options for left back are either a right footed CB (Gomez), a right back(Clyne), a right footed midfielder(Milner) or a young unexperienced left back(Larouci/Lewis).
Our options for wing forward are, Ox, Lallana, Origi or Shaqiri. None of them are perfect for the roles Mané and Salah have.

Agree. But you can't have a 'Best XI' over the course of a whole season. You need to have a Best 15/16 which is what City have ... and we don't. To match them (as in not relying on a lack of injuries or fatigue) we need another 3-4 top quality players (which, disappointingly, isn't going to happen this window). Though a pacy goal scorer who can player both wide L & R is most critical to give Mane & Mo time to recover or stand in when one is injured.

I think we're missing our best chance in the PL era. We may end up with one top player but IMHO that isn't enough and we will be relying on luck again to get us through the season.

 

[Hansern]

Mings agent was quoted yesterday in saying that they were still looking for a move, and hoped a potential bid would be accepted.

 

[Modo]

Agree. But you can't have a 'Best XI' over the course of a whole season. You need to have a Best 15/16 which is what City have ... and we don't. To match them (as in not relying on a lack of injuries or fatigue) we need another 3-4 top quality players (which, disappointingly, isn't going to happen this window). Though a pacy goal scorer who can player both wide L & R is most critical to give Mane & Mo time to recover or stand in when one is injured.

I think we're missing our best chance in the PL era. We may end up with one top player but IMHO that isn't enough and we will be relying on luck again to get us through the season.

Are we throwing away the domestic cups again this season? This is our second team:

-----------------------------Mignolet

Clyne---------Gomez--------------Lovren--------[bcolor=#ff0000]Milner[/bcolor]

----------------------------[bcolor=#ff0000]Lallana[/bcolor]
------------------Keita---------------Oxlade
Shaqiri-----------------Brewster------------------[bcolor=#ff0000]Origi[/bcolor]

I've highlighted the problem positions. Again, not about the individual player, it's more about the position.

 

[rurikbird]

Are we throwing away the domestic cups again this season? This is our second team:

-----------------------------Mignolet

Clyne---------Gomez--------------Lovren--------[bcolor=#ff0000]Milner[/bcolor]

----------------------------[bcolor=#ff0000]Lallana[/bcolor]
------------------Keita---------------Oxlade
Shaqiri-----------------Brewster------------------[bcolor=#ff0000]Origi[/bcolor]

I've highlighted the problem positions. Again, not about the individual player, it's more about the position.

That team is probably better and more balanced than some of LFC's first-choice 11s of recent (before Klopp and Rodgers) years. Now add 2-3 "first-choice" players to that (which is what's going to happen in most Cup games) and it looks a lot more solid.

Just a comment, I'm not arguing against signing anyone – I'm generally with you on this.