been out then and there's just loads of kiddas everywhere. every bus into town was filled with kiddas at the back of the bus.
Tottenham Riots
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[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1376940#msg1376940 date=1312904387]
As I haven't really seen the footage and that on the telly - can I ask: how have the police dealt with this?
I mean, I suspect that they've probably been caught on the backfoot and been underprepared, overwhelmed and outnumbered - but surely by now they've realised the seriousness of the issues and got feet on the streets?
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Oh I'm fairly positive they'll get a different response tonight mate
As I haven't really seen the footage and that on the telly - can I ask: how have the police dealt with this?
I mean, I suspect that they've probably been caught on the backfoot and been underprepared, overwhelmed and outnumbered - but surely by now they've realised the seriousness of the issues and got feet on the streets?
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Oh I'm fairly positive they'll get a different response tonight mate
[quote author=Irish_Red link=topic=46360.msg1376944#msg1376944 date=1312904526]
Could the scumbags not even find a better shop to loot than Poundland ffs. Hope the fat bird enjoyed her 10p mix ups.
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You will probably find it's Basmati Rice actually
regards
Could the scumbags not even find a better shop to loot than Poundland ffs. Hope the fat bird enjoyed her 10p mix ups.
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You will probably find it's Basmati Rice actually
regards
i'm gonna go into town to see what's going on.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376949#msg1376949 date=1312905033]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1376940#msg1376940 date=1312904387]
As I haven't really seen the footage and that on the telly - can I ask: how have the police dealt with this?
I mean, I suspect that they've probably been caught on the backfoot and been underprepared, overwhelmed and outnumbered - but surely by now they've realised the seriousness of the issues and got feet on the streets?
[/quote]
Oh I'm fairly positive they'll get a different response tonight mate
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Skulls will get cracked tonight, and that is not anything about a ceratin posters habits
regards
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=46360.msg1376940#msg1376940 date=1312904387]
As I haven't really seen the footage and that on the telly - can I ask: how have the police dealt with this?
I mean, I suspect that they've probably been caught on the backfoot and been underprepared, overwhelmed and outnumbered - but surely by now they've realised the seriousness of the issues and got feet on the streets?
[/quote]
Oh I'm fairly positive they'll get a different response tonight mate
[/quote]
Skulls will get cracked tonight, and that is not anything about a ceratin posters habits
regards
Apparently it's all about to kick off in Liverpool 1 with the Odeon being shut down. Great, full of young kids no doubt scared shitless. I hope these cunts get their heads broken and then thrown in a cell. A cell, not a media equipped luxury pad.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=46360.msg1376956#msg1376956 date=1312905841]
Apparently it's all about to kick off in Liverpool 1 with the Odeon being shut down. Great, full of young kids no doubt scared shitless. I hope these cunts get their heads broken and then thrown in a cell. A cell, not a media equipped luxury pad.
[/quote]I went cinema today with Molly. Saw Cars 2. It was ok.
Apparently it's all about to kick off in Liverpool 1 with the Odeon being shut down. Great, full of young kids no doubt scared shitless. I hope these cunts get their heads broken and then thrown in a cell. A cell, not a media equipped luxury pad.
[/quote]I went cinema today with Molly. Saw Cars 2. It was ok.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46360.msg1376955#msg1376955 date=1312905672]
Skulls will get cracked tonight, and that is not anything about a ceratin posters habits
regards
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Skulls skull might actually get cracked if he goes into town just cos he's a nosey div and he ends up in the thick of it.
Skulls will get cracked tonight, and that is not anything about a ceratin posters habits
regards
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Skulls skull might actually get cracked if he goes into town just cos he's a nosey div and he ends up in the thick of it.
*expects to see pictures of an unnamed youth looting pot noodles tomorrow*
I believe civil action is necessary, I think people need to stand tall and reclaim and defend their communities. There is talk of things kicking off in High Wycombe and that's exactly what we're doing, I have called a few colleagues, mainly Youth Workers I know, and we've agreed that we will go out and try to engage with the young people should crowds start to gather, as between us, we will know most of the young people. There were good examples in East London last night of people who came together and done just that. People need to reclaim their communities. The Police are out of the depth and simply outnumbered. The sustainable solution has to come from within, otherwise you're conceding power and we could see repeats whenever people desire.
At the same time, we have to ask ourselves some more searching questions, where have we gone so far wrong that our young people are so disillusioned and have so little pride in our country and their own communities. And where are people's individual moral codes? A sense of personal morality that drives choices people make. Further I find it so so sad how quick people are to completely disregard our 'civilised' principals. These are people, young people, yes, what they are doing is outrageous, but the dehumanisation and inhumane ways people seem to think we should respond are disgusting to me. If we're a civilised society, we should remain that way, always.
The Government has got questions to answer, like I said at the time the student protests were going on, you can only push people so far before they push back. The cutting of public sector, youth services, EMA, housing benefits etc were always gonna have an impact in terms of unrest. I'm not by any means justifying anything that they've done, I think the stealing (it's not looting) is embarrassing and just totally undermines any political statement that might have been made, and the worst still is the arson, burning of innocent people's homes and businesses, they were showing pictures of an old Asian guy trying to protect his shop yesterday, honestly it broke my heart, knowing how hard the first generation worked, people like my parents and to watch it be destroyed just like that.
But water cannons as they leave no long term damage, I'm down with. But this cannot be a case of band aiding the problem, we have to recognise that we have major unrest in this country and a generation of people who think this is an acceptable means of expressing that, it isn't and that needs to be addressed.
At the same time, we have to ask ourselves some more searching questions, where have we gone so far wrong that our young people are so disillusioned and have so little pride in our country and their own communities. And where are people's individual moral codes? A sense of personal morality that drives choices people make. Further I find it so so sad how quick people are to completely disregard our 'civilised' principals. These are people, young people, yes, what they are doing is outrageous, but the dehumanisation and inhumane ways people seem to think we should respond are disgusting to me. If we're a civilised society, we should remain that way, always.
The Government has got questions to answer, like I said at the time the student protests were going on, you can only push people so far before they push back. The cutting of public sector, youth services, EMA, housing benefits etc were always gonna have an impact in terms of unrest. I'm not by any means justifying anything that they've done, I think the stealing (it's not looting) is embarrassing and just totally undermines any political statement that might have been made, and the worst still is the arson, burning of innocent people's homes and businesses, they were showing pictures of an old Asian guy trying to protect his shop yesterday, honestly it broke my heart, knowing how hard the first generation worked, people like my parents and to watch it be destroyed just like that.
But water cannons as they leave no long term damage, I'm down with. But this cannot be a case of band aiding the problem, we have to recognise that we have major unrest in this country and a generation of people who think this is an acceptable means of expressing that, it isn't and that needs to be addressed.
Thanks for posting that Anita. You're very brave going out to talk with rioters, I hope you're not assaulted yourself.
What a travesty they should call in the army. Enough is enough.
Somehow I wish we had some civil unrest here in Sweden as well. The conservative government here are raping the lower class and the youths. But in Sweden we just bend over and take it.
Hope it clears up soon enough, dont mean to offend anyone but it seems like a bunch of thugs are having a field day over there.
Are there any real issues behind the riots exept the so called gangster getting killed.
Somehow I wish we had some civil unrest here in Sweden as well. The conservative government here are raping the lower class and the youths. But in Sweden we just bend over and take it.
Hope it clears up soon enough, dont mean to offend anyone but it seems like a bunch of thugs are having a field day over there.
Are there any real issues behind the riots exept the so called gangster getting killed.
Durr! The parents are attaching new tvs to their walls and working out how to use their knew phones.
Great post Anita, I take my hat off to you, this situation needs more people like you.
However, fortunately or not, whatever is your view, I think the police will sort it out in London tonight there are nearly three times as many of them on the streets as have been seen on the last couple of nights. They don't have the cells to lock them up in so I have it on fairly good authority that the tactic is likely to be heads will get cracked and pain will be inflicted rather than making arrests.
That will apply in Liverpool too.
regards
However, fortunately or not, whatever is your view, I think the police will sort it out in London tonight there are nearly three times as many of them on the streets as have been seen on the last couple of nights. They don't have the cells to lock them up in so I have it on fairly good authority that the tactic is likely to be heads will get cracked and pain will be inflicted rather than making arrests.
That will apply in Liverpool too.
regards
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=46360.msg1376971#msg1376971 date=1312907912]
Durr! The parents are attaching new tvs to their walls and working out how to use their knew phones.
[/quote]and sending on all those stolen iPhone 4's to Sweden to sell for £50
Durr! The parents are attaching new tvs to their walls and working out how to use their knew phones.
[/quote]and sending on all those stolen iPhone 4's to Sweden to sell for £50
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46360.msg1376963#msg1376963 date=1312907055]
And where are people's individual moral codes? A sense of personal morality that drives choices people make. Further I find it so so sad how quick people are to completely disregard our 'civilised' principals. These are people, young people, yes, what they are doing is outrageous, but the dehumanisation and inhumane ways people seem to think we should respond are disgusting to me. If we're a civilised society, we should remain that way, always.
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Act like an animal and get treated like one. If they are rioting for a specific cause then fair does. This nothing like that. As one copper put it - it's nothing more than "aggressive late night shopping". They're scum. Their parents are likely scum and their kids likely will be too. It's the softly softly approach that people take to such a "disenfranchised" generation that allows them to believe they can get away with whatever the fuck they like. They terrorise communities and ruin decent peoples lives and then when decent hard working people react people call them uncivilised? Fucking bollocks. These little scum and their families have been afforded the help and opportunities generations before them never had yet increasingly act worse and worse. When do you draw the line ? What does it take - because I really want to know. There is no perfect society. There will always be degrees of relative poverty but the do gooders around that pander to some of these despicable little cunts who use what they call poverty, when they're riding around in their designer gear tweeting on their iphone, as an excuse to behave like fucking scumbags need to wake the fuck up. These little cunts are laughing their cocks off at all these social well doers. They'll sit and listen to your face and then go out and cause chaos. Oh the message will get through to one or two I'll give you that but it's as simple as this for me: They're just not allowed to be disciplined any more. Without basic discipline they never understand right and wrong and, more importantly consequence. And I'm not talking about corporal punishment, I'm talking about the basic principles of right and wrong and outcomes of doing wrong. They know what's wrong and right alright and they also know there are no meaningful consequences any more. I pity them in many ways I do as a lot of them are the outcome of poor upbringing. Poverty again is not an excuse for that. Who I pity more though is the normal decent working families, and many of those could be classed as living in poverty, who are doing there hardest in a challenging world to better themselves and make contributions as normal functioning human beings whose lives are being made an abject misery by these cunts.
Carry on with socially responsible stuff by all means I'm sure it has limited value but there comes a time when you have to speak their own language and if that means bringing a bit of their own medicine into their lives i.e. violence then so be it. All other options exhausted crack a few skulls.
And where are people's individual moral codes? A sense of personal morality that drives choices people make. Further I find it so so sad how quick people are to completely disregard our 'civilised' principals. These are people, young people, yes, what they are doing is outrageous, but the dehumanisation and inhumane ways people seem to think we should respond are disgusting to me. If we're a civilised society, we should remain that way, always.
[/quote]
Act like an animal and get treated like one. If they are rioting for a specific cause then fair does. This nothing like that. As one copper put it - it's nothing more than "aggressive late night shopping". They're scum. Their parents are likely scum and their kids likely will be too. It's the softly softly approach that people take to such a "disenfranchised" generation that allows them to believe they can get away with whatever the fuck they like. They terrorise communities and ruin decent peoples lives and then when decent hard working people react people call them uncivilised? Fucking bollocks. These little scum and their families have been afforded the help and opportunities generations before them never had yet increasingly act worse and worse. When do you draw the line ? What does it take - because I really want to know. There is no perfect society. There will always be degrees of relative poverty but the do gooders around that pander to some of these despicable little cunts who use what they call poverty, when they're riding around in their designer gear tweeting on their iphone, as an excuse to behave like fucking scumbags need to wake the fuck up. These little cunts are laughing their cocks off at all these social well doers. They'll sit and listen to your face and then go out and cause chaos. Oh the message will get through to one or two I'll give you that but it's as simple as this for me: They're just not allowed to be disciplined any more. Without basic discipline they never understand right and wrong and, more importantly consequence. And I'm not talking about corporal punishment, I'm talking about the basic principles of right and wrong and outcomes of doing wrong. They know what's wrong and right alright and they also know there are no meaningful consequences any more. I pity them in many ways I do as a lot of them are the outcome of poor upbringing. Poverty again is not an excuse for that. Who I pity more though is the normal decent working families, and many of those could be classed as living in poverty, who are doing there hardest in a challenging world to better themselves and make contributions as normal functioning human beings whose lives are being made an abject misery by these cunts.
Carry on with socially responsible stuff by all means I'm sure it has limited value but there comes a time when you have to speak their own language and if that means bringing a bit of their own medicine into their lives i.e. violence then so be it. All other options exhausted crack a few skulls.
Shits probably about to get worse before it gets better..
Amazon have reported a 5000% increase in baseball bats & caps in the last 24 hours
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/sports/ref=zg_bs_tab
However you would think the cnuts would just steal them anyway...
My take... I think a lot of the riots is down to pure opportunism, after seeing the events of Tottenham at the weekend. Young bored grebs are thinking.. shit I want one of those TV's seeing how easy it was to do so. Let cause some trouble and get some free stuff.
Amazon have reported a 5000% increase in baseball bats & caps in the last 24 hours
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/sports/ref=zg_bs_tab
However you would think the cnuts would just steal them anyway...
My take... I think a lot of the riots is down to pure opportunism, after seeing the events of Tottenham at the weekend. Young bored grebs are thinking.. shit I want one of those TV's seeing how easy it was to do so. Let cause some trouble and get some free stuff.
Move along, nothing to see here.
There are two types of tweets and bloggs on the echo live blogg, those panicking and those telling them there is actually nothing going on, this panicking seemingly want to believe we are going to be invaded China or something, not a bunch thieving little twats who the police will sort out.
Liverpool 1 might be interesting, they have their own security and may well have brought in some added "professionals", and as most of the publs and clubs sound like they are closing early you can guess who that would be.
regards
There are two types of tweets and bloggs on the echo live blogg, those panicking and those telling them there is actually nothing going on, this panicking seemingly want to believe we are going to be invaded China or something, not a bunch thieving little twats who the police will sort out.
Liverpool 1 might be interesting, they have their own security and may well have brought in some added "professionals", and as most of the publs and clubs sound like they are closing early you can guess who that would be.
regards
That's not working Skully
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46360.msg1376985#msg1376985 date=1312908966]
That's not working Skully
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Seagull stealing chips from convenience store [mirror]
That's not working Skully
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Seagull stealing chips from convenience store [mirror]
[quote author=the count link=topic=46360.msg1376973#msg1376973 date=1312908267]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=46360.msg1376971#msg1376971 date=1312907912]
Durr! The parents are attaching new tvs to their walls and working out how to use their knew phones.
[/quote]and sending on all those stolen iPhone 4's to Sweden to sell for £50
[/quote]
HAHAHA!!
Never stolen anything in my life. But I have bought/been given stolen goods
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=46360.msg1376971#msg1376971 date=1312907912]
Durr! The parents are attaching new tvs to their walls and working out how to use their knew phones.
[/quote]and sending on all those stolen iPhone 4's to Sweden to sell for £50
[/quote]
HAHAHA!!
Never stolen anything in my life. But I have bought/been given stolen goods
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=46360.msg1376977#msg1376977 date=1312908519]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46360.msg1376963#msg1376963 date=1312907055]
And where are people's individual moral codes? A sense of personal morality that drives choices people make. Further I find it so so sad how quick people are to completely disregard our 'civilised' principals. These are people, young people, yes, what they are doing is outrageous, but the dehumanisation and inhumane ways people seem to think we should respond are disgusting to me. If we're a civilised society, we should remain that way, always.
[/quote]
Act like an animal and get treated like one. If they are rioting for a specific cause then fair does. This nothing like that. As one copper put it - it's nothing more than "aggressive late night shopping". They're scum. Their parents are likely scum and their kids likely will be too. It's the softly softly approach that people take to such a "disenfranchised" generation that allows them to believe they can get away with whatever the fuck they like. They terrorise communities and ruin decent peoples lives and then when decent hard working people react people call them uncivilised? Fucking bollocks. These little scum and their families have been afforded the help and opportunities generations before them never had yet increasingly act worse and worse. When do you draw the line ? What does it take - because I really want to know. There is no perfect society. There will always be degrees of relative poverty but the do gooders around that pander to some of these despicable little cunts who use what they call poverty, when they're riding around in their designer gear tweeting on their iphone, as an excuse to behave like fucking scumbags need to wake the fuck up. These little cunts are laughing their cocks off at all these social well doers. They'll sit and listen to your face and then go out and cause chaos. Oh the message will get through to one or two I'll give you that but it's as simple as this for me: They're just not allowed to be disciplined any more. Without basic discipline they never understand right and wrong and, more importantly consequence. And I'm not talking about corporal punishment, I'm talking about the basic principles of right and wrong and outcomes of doing wrong. They know what's wrong and right alright and they also know there are no meaningful consequences any more. I pity them in many ways I do as a lot of them are the outcome of poor upbringing. Poverty again is not an excuse for that. Who I pity more though is the normal decent working families, and many of those could be classed as living in poverty, who are doing there hardest in a challenging world to better themselves and make contributions as normal functioning human beings whose lives are being made an abject misery by these cunts.
Carry on with socially responsible stuff by all means I'm sure it has limited value but there comes a time when you have to speak their own language and if that means bringing a bit of their own medicine into their lives i.e. violence then so be it. All other options exhausted crack a few skulls.
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I understand your anger Sunny, and over the last few days have had moments when I've thought the same, but ultimately it's just not what I think the way forward is. I just don't see the way of dealing with violence, unreasonable behaviour as being violence and unreasonable behaviour. Like I said before, it comes down to personal moral codes, just because someone else has lost their mind and all sense if human decency, doesn't mean I need to too.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=46360.msg1376963#msg1376963 date=1312907055]
And where are people's individual moral codes? A sense of personal morality that drives choices people make. Further I find it so so sad how quick people are to completely disregard our 'civilised' principals. These are people, young people, yes, what they are doing is outrageous, but the dehumanisation and inhumane ways people seem to think we should respond are disgusting to me. If we're a civilised society, we should remain that way, always.
[/quote]
Act like an animal and get treated like one. If they are rioting for a specific cause then fair does. This nothing like that. As one copper put it - it's nothing more than "aggressive late night shopping". They're scum. Their parents are likely scum and their kids likely will be too. It's the softly softly approach that people take to such a "disenfranchised" generation that allows them to believe they can get away with whatever the fuck they like. They terrorise communities and ruin decent peoples lives and then when decent hard working people react people call them uncivilised? Fucking bollocks. These little scum and their families have been afforded the help and opportunities generations before them never had yet increasingly act worse and worse. When do you draw the line ? What does it take - because I really want to know. There is no perfect society. There will always be degrees of relative poverty but the do gooders around that pander to some of these despicable little cunts who use what they call poverty, when they're riding around in their designer gear tweeting on their iphone, as an excuse to behave like fucking scumbags need to wake the fuck up. These little cunts are laughing their cocks off at all these social well doers. They'll sit and listen to your face and then go out and cause chaos. Oh the message will get through to one or two I'll give you that but it's as simple as this for me: They're just not allowed to be disciplined any more. Without basic discipline they never understand right and wrong and, more importantly consequence. And I'm not talking about corporal punishment, I'm talking about the basic principles of right and wrong and outcomes of doing wrong. They know what's wrong and right alright and they also know there are no meaningful consequences any more. I pity them in many ways I do as a lot of them are the outcome of poor upbringing. Poverty again is not an excuse for that. Who I pity more though is the normal decent working families, and many of those could be classed as living in poverty, who are doing there hardest in a challenging world to better themselves and make contributions as normal functioning human beings whose lives are being made an abject misery by these cunts.
Carry on with socially responsible stuff by all means I'm sure it has limited value but there comes a time when you have to speak their own language and if that means bringing a bit of their own medicine into their lives i.e. violence then so be it. All other options exhausted crack a few skulls.
[/quote]
I understand your anger Sunny, and over the last few days have had moments when I've thought the same, but ultimately it's just not what I think the way forward is. I just don't see the way of dealing with violence, unreasonable behaviour as being violence and unreasonable behaviour. Like I said before, it comes down to personal moral codes, just because someone else has lost their mind and all sense if human decency, doesn't mean I need to too.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=46360.msg1376972#msg1376972 date=1312908058]
Great post Anita, I take my hat off to you, this situation needs more people like you.
However, fortunately or not, whatever is your view, I think the police will sort it out in London tonight there are nearly three times as many of them on the streets as have been seen on the last couple of nights. They don't have the cells to lock them up in so I have it on fairly good authority that the tactic is likely to be heads will get cracked and pain will be inflicted rather than making arrests.
That will apply in Liverpool too.
regards
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Ha, I didn't mean to make it sound like that, 'I'm gonna take to the streets and fix it'.
Thankfully all seems quiet here anyway.
But my point remains, I think people need to make a stand and defend their homes and businesses.
Great post Anita, I take my hat off to you, this situation needs more people like you.
However, fortunately or not, whatever is your view, I think the police will sort it out in London tonight there are nearly three times as many of them on the streets as have been seen on the last couple of nights. They don't have the cells to lock them up in so I have it on fairly good authority that the tactic is likely to be heads will get cracked and pain will be inflicted rather than making arrests.
That will apply in Liverpool too.
regards
[/quote]
Ha, I didn't mean to make it sound like that, 'I'm gonna take to the streets and fix it'.
Thankfully all seems quiet here anyway.
But my point remains, I think people need to make a stand and defend their homes and businesses.
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