Torres agent hints at Premiership move

[peterhague]

i wouldn't blame torres one bit for leaving. people say he owes it to us to stay, i think he owes it to himself to leave: he's a world class player who's spent the majority of the best years of his career in basically substandard teams, and he'd be a fool to give up what remains. he deserves better, he knows it and we know it.


i don't actually want it to happen, but i wouldn't lose much, if any, respect for him if he leaves. people seem to gloss over the fact that he's already sacrificed sentimentality once before to win things: i admire the fact that he gave atletico every chance, and that he gambled on us being able to overachieve because of an apparent fondness for our traditions as a special kind of club, but he's obviously someone who's torn between such emotional bonds and personal ambition - let's just cherish that he's torn at all, cos most players wouldn't be.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=40863.msg1131260#msg1131260 date=1278331562]
i wouldn't blame torres one bit for leaving. people say he owes it to us to stay, i think he owes it to himself to leave: he's a world class player who's spent the majority of the best years of his career in basically substandard teams, and he'd be a fool to give up what remains. he deserves better, he knows it and we know it.


i don't actually want it to happen, but i wouldn't lose much, if any, respect for him if he leaves. people seem to gloss over the fact that he's already sacrificed sentimentality once before to win things: i admire the fact that he gave atletico every chance, and that he gambled on us being able to overachieve because of an apparent fondness for our traditions as a special kind of club, but he's obviously someone who's torn between such emotional bonds and personal ambition - let's just cherish that he's torn at all, cos most players wouldn't be.
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Good post, Hague. Exactly how I feel.

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40863.msg1131263#msg1131263 date=1278332047]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=40863.msg1131260#msg1131260 date=1278331562]
i wouldn't blame torres one bit for leaving. people say he owes it to us to stay, i think he owes it to himself to leave: he's a world class player who's spent the majority of the best years of his career in basically substandard teams, and he'd be a fool to give up what remains. he deserves better, he knows it and we know it.


i don't actually want it to happen, but i wouldn't lose much, if any, respect for him if he leaves. people seem to gloss over the fact that he's already sacrificed sentimentality once before to win things: i admire the fact that he gave atletico every chance, and that he gambled on us being able to overachieve because of an apparent fondness for our traditions as a special kind of club, but he's obviously someone who's torn between such emotional bonds and personal ambition - let's just cherish that he's torn at all, cos most players wouldn't be.
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Good post, Hague. Exactly how I feel.
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why thank you young man. i'd respond in similar style but i don't know your surname.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=peterhague link=topic=40863.msg1131260#msg1131260 date=1278331562]
i wouldn't blame torres one bit for leaving. people say he owes it to us to stay, i think he owes it to himself to leave: he's a world class player who's spent the majority of the best years of his career in basically substandard teams, and he'd be a fool to give up what remains. he deserves better, he knows it and we know it.


i don't actually want it to happen, but i wouldn't lose much, if any, respect for him if he leaves. people seem to gloss over the fact that he's already sacrificed sentimentality once before to win things: i admire the fact that he gave atletico every chance, and that he gambled on us being able to overachieve because of an apparent fondness for our traditions as a special kind of club, but he's obviously someone who's torn between such emotional bonds and personal ambition - let's just cherish that he's torn at all, cos most players wouldn't be.
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Is this the case really? He joined a club (for a huge fee) that had won trophies or at least been in major finals for the previous three seasons, a club recognised as one of the biggest in the World and that had a squad full of international players.

Surely what he 'gambled on' was that we would be able to do what we SHOULD be doing?

 

[Halmeister]

If he leaves for another Premiership club he is a little shit. What about everything he has said in the past 3 years? How he wanted to raise his child a scouser, how he could never play for another club in England? How much he loves the club, the fans, the city? He'd be a dirty fucking hypocrite if he went to Chelsea or City for fucks sake. And I for one, with my already waining love for the game, would be one more step out the door altogether.

 

[Squiggles]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=40863.msg1131270#msg1131270 date=1278332974]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=40863.msg1131260#msg1131260 date=1278331562]
i wouldn't blame torres one bit for leaving. people say he owes it to us to stay, i think he owes it to himself to leave: he's a world class player who's spent the majority of the best years of his career in basically substandard teams, and he'd be a fool to give up what remains. he deserves better, he knows it and we know it.


i don't actually want it to happen, but i wouldn't lose much, if any, respect for him if he leaves. people seem to gloss over the fact that he's already sacrificed sentimentality once before to win things: i admire the fact that he gave atletico every chance, and that he gambled on us being able to overachieve because of an apparent fondness for our traditions as a special kind of club, but he's obviously someone who's torn between such emotional bonds and personal ambition - let's just cherish that he's torn at all, cos most players wouldn't be.
[/quote]

Is this the case really? He joined a club (for a huge fee) that had won trophies or at least been in major finals for the previous three seasons, a club recognised as one of the biggest in the World and that had a squad full of international players.

Surely what he 'gambled on' was that we would be able to do what we SHOULD be doing?
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He could have waited until a team who were favourite to win the league purchased him. His purchase turned us into a contender for the league.

 

[Avmenon]

There's quite a bit of truth in the preceding posts; but I do think that Torres mght feel that he does owe this club at least one season more having been injured for much of the last season. Much of the under-achieving we saw arguably had some connection to his absence....

But considering the amount of time he gave Atletico, it's not so much to ask if he stayed to help a club in serious upheaval.

 

[Fox]

£60-70 million for a player injured alot and has terrible spells on return and has looked pants all world cup may not be that bad business after all.

Villa was half that and looks the better player.

Just another angle !!!!

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=40863.msg1131270#msg1131270 date=1278332974]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=40863.msg1131260#msg1131260 date=1278331562]
i wouldn't blame torres one bit for leaving. people say he owes it to us to stay, i think he owes it to himself to leave: he's a world class player who's spent the majority of the best years of his career in basically substandard teams, and he'd be a fool to give up what remains. he deserves better, he knows it and we know it.


i don't actually want it to happen, but i wouldn't lose much, if any, respect for him if he leaves. people seem to gloss over the fact that he's already sacrificed sentimentality once before to win things: i admire the fact that he gave atletico every chance, and that he gambled on us being able to overachieve because of an apparent fondness for our traditions as a special kind of club, but he's obviously someone who's torn between such emotional bonds and personal ambition - let's just cherish that he's torn at all, cos most players wouldn't be.
[/quote]

Is this the case really? He joined a club (for a huge fee) that had won trophies or at least been in major finals for the previous three seasons, a club recognised as one of the biggest in the World and that had a squad full of international players.

Surely what he 'gambled on' was that we would be able to do what we SHOULD be doing?
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possibly so, but that would only strengthen my point viz that his leaving should not lead to any significant loss of respect becasue that respect would have been misplaced in the first place.

i do, however, believe that his choice to join us was at least in part due to a certain sentimentality for the club.

 

[Halmeister]

If he could leave Atletico, then he'd have no reservations about leaving us. My only reservation would be if it was to another Premiership club. If he did do that I'd want his career to suffer a failure of Michael Owen proportions.

I think/hope he'll stay one more season. If we finish 7th again or something, then I'd reluctantly accept his departure. But NEVER to another Premiership club. That would show he has no respect for the club or the fans.

 

[Judge Jules]

I wonder who else could afford him though, now that Barca (which is where I thought he'd go if he did leave) have splashed out on Villa.

 

[Halmeister]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40863.msg1131280#msg1131280 date=1278333864]
I wonder who else could afford him though, now that Barca (which is where I thought he'd go if he did leave) have splashed out on Villa.
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Well if he's that desperate to go that any old team lucky enough to be picked out of a hat by a billionaire will do, then fuck him. If he goes to Man City or Chelsea I'll have no respect for him in the slightest and hope his career goes downhill.

He's backed himself into a corner over the last few years with what he has said. How much he loves the club, fans, city etc. If he doesn't mean it and was just saying it to brown nose the fans just to sod off when things turn a little sour, then he's not the person I thought he was.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40863.msg1131153#msg1131153 date=1278316848]
torres wanted to see action, with the club showing ambition and clear intent with regards to moving in the right the direction. what has he seen so far? the club no closer to being sold, yossi sold and the appointment of roy hodgson. I'm surprised he hasn't handed in his transfer resquest all ready.
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I'm sad to say that I agree with this, appointing Hodgson gives a clear indication of our ambitions.

 

[Jack D Rips]

Maybe Im old school. But I actually feel that the players who are talking about leaving are at least somewhat responsible for the shitty situation we find ourselves in. Certainly the owners and Rafa have a large share of the blame to take as well, but neither of then ever crossed the white line to play.

Its ironic that the manager who brought us to the Europa league is now managing the CL champions, and they players who took us there are talking about moves to teams that all have the common denominator of being in the CL next season.

Old school maybe but its how I feel anyway.

 

[Jack D Rips]

http://www.teamtalk.com/liverpool/6246021/Agent-denies-talk-of-Torres-exit

Seems like the agaent didnt say it after all

 

[Rafiagra]

Based on Torres' World Cup form, maybe we should cash in on him.

Maybe the injuries have finally taken their toll and he's finished a la Owen.

 

[Wilko7]

I thought Torres had claimed his body wouldn't tolerate the Premier League for much longer.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Torres claims denied

Jose Antonio Martin was quoted as saying Torres could be set to leave Anfield for another English club, but he has now claimed the comments have been fabricated.

"For many months I have not spoken to the England press because their quotes are totally false," he said. "Now is not the moment to speak about this issue because Torres is focused completely on his work for Spain.

"After the World Cup, (player-agency company) Bahia Internacional will possibly meet with the player but the truth is that Fernando has signed a deal with Liverpool which is for the present and the future."

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=40863.msg1131384#msg1131384 date=1278348226]
Based on Torres' World Cup form, maybe we should cash in on him.

Maybe the injuries have finally taken their toll and he's finished a la Owen.
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I don't buy that. Gerrard has had problems off and on since he started playing, it happens, I'd be reluctant to use injuries as a reason to cash in just yet. We need another striker so we can protect Torres more, but suggesting he's finished because of a bad injury spell is jumping the gun a bit.

 

[Molbystwin]

I wouldn't accept a single word out of any of our directors mouths to be honest, remember this is our "big" summer. Selling Torres to another premiership club is admission of total defeat. I pray it doesn't happen and this nightmare ends... They simply have to go.

 

[LarryHagman]

Gerrard must regret his decision not to leave either after Istanbul or the FA Cup. Stands to reason; we ain't done anything since (and have no chance of doing anything going forward) and he's now 4 years older. I would imagine if they've talked, or if Torres is aware of what Gerrard went through, Torres will leave.

 

[Y1]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=40863.msg1131398#msg1131398 date=1278350990]
Torres claims denied

Jose Antonio Martin was quoted as saying Torres could be set to leave Anfield for another English club, but he has now claimed the comments have been fabricated.

"For many months I have not spoken to the England press because their quotes are totally false," he said. "Now is not the moment to speak about this issue because Torres is focused completely on his work for Spain.

"After the World Cup, (player-agency company) Bahia Internacional will possibly meet with the player but the truth is that Fernando has signed a deal with Liverpool which is for the present and the future."

[/quote]

This is indeed the age of disinformation and the day of misinformation and we all are like rats scurrying everywhere scavenging for every morsel of spin and counter spin!

 

[Tal]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7873782/Chelseas-Roman-Abramovich-heads-to-South-Africa-to-capture-50m-Fernando-Torres.html

 

[Squiggles]

Abramovich has been in South Africa since day one on the tournament.

He hasn't just 'flown in'.

This probably doesn't matter at all.

 

[Portly]

What about the strict Premier league rules about "tapping up" players while they are under contract? ???

 

[Vanbasten84]

Hes now only 8/11 to be with Liverpool on the 1st day of the season was 4/7 yesterday,5/2 Chelsea and 3s Man City...Im scared >🙁 >🙁

 

[Oncy]

Its a weird one, coz when he is fit he is the best striker in the world but its half a season.
I said last season id take the 70m we could have got for him, this season its nearer 50m, not much has changed really. Of the big three players we have i would rather lose Torres than Gerrard or Mascherano simply because selling him allows us to replace him with 2 players (of highest calibre) meaning we have an option and not just one semi-broken best striker in the world.

 

[cochyn]

[quote author=Portly link=topic=40863.msg1131641#msg1131641 date=1278405487]
What about the strict Premier league rules about "tapping up" players while they are under contract? ???
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i thought that too!! Surely there is a case there if the reports are even remotely true!

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=cochyn link=topic=40863.msg1131675#msg1131675 date=1278413582]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=40863.msg1131641#msg1131641 date=1278405487]
What about the strict Premier league rules about "tapping up" players while they are under contract? ???
[/quote]

i thought that too!! Surely there is a case there if the reports are even remotely true!
[/quote]Unless the owners have given their permission. Lets face it, it wouldnt be a suprise.

 

[Portly]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40863.msg1131677#msg1131677 date=1278413712]Unless the owners have given their permission. Lets face it, it wouldn't be a surprise.
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It depends on what Torres and his agent want, doesn't it? In reality players can walk away from their contracts whenever they choose. If Torres has told the club he would like a move, then it's just a case of encouraging a competitive bidding process to get the highest price.