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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40864.msg1131328#msg1131328 date=1278339212]
Liverpool are uttely fucked if are best players leave towards the end of the summer
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I guess that Hodgson will be trying to get a quick decision out of them for that reason. If they are going to leave the club, he needs some time to operate in the transfer window.
 
Deputy Sports Editor of "The Times", a very Scouse Scouser and a Red.

Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time his prognostications had come to nothing.
 
Perhaps Brendan, but the way some of our fans our these days, I have no idea what to expect any more.

I suspect Hodgson will be confirmed as a 'yes man' for 'asset stripping', and the Dalglish camp will confirm their belief that Kenny could have kept all our stars.

Not that it really matters, IMO, we're pretty fucked whatever.
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=40864.msg1131331#msg1131331 date=1278339762]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40864.msg1131328#msg1131328 date=1278339212]
Liverpool are uttely fucked if are best players leave towards the end of the summer
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I guess that Hodgson will be trying to get a quick decision out of them for that reason. If they are going to leave the club, he needs some time to operate in the transfer window.
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Yeah, that's the most important thing. We either need our stars to commit to the club straight after the World Cup, or fuck off very, very quickly, which would at least grant Hodgson a chance of keeping us respectable next season. But fuck me, I wouldn't envy the guy. Should all this come to fruition, he's got one hell of a job on his hands, because the squad is already shit without our world-class players leaving.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40864.msg1131301#msg1131301 date=1278335237]
Anita, H and G haven't gone yet and, even if they do, that wouldn't mean they hadn't broken promises in the meantime. However, if - IF - this story is true and Torres has simply had enough of the whole mess surrounding the club, he and his agent would only be doing what other players and their agents do when they want out, i.e.cobble together some sort of excuse to try and cover their arses, a bit like Cashley and his "Arsenal were *only* prepared to pay me £55,000 a week". Like you I'd lose a lot of respect for the man in that event, but he'd hardly be alone in such behaviour.
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But they know G&H are in their way.


Anyway, my favourite bit of that is that Gerrard and Torres want to leave 'quietly'. What, so no one notices?
 
I took it to mean they wish to leave without handing in transfer requests.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40864.msg1131334#msg1131334 date=1278340061]
Deputy Sports Editor of "The Times", a very Scouse Scouser and a Red.

Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time his prognostications had come to nothing.
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Wouldn't be the first time he'd been right, either
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40864.msg1131344#msg1131344 date=1278340689]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40864.msg1131334#msg1131334 date=1278340061]
Deputy Sports Editor of "The Times", a very Scouse Scouser and a Red.

Mind you, it wouldn't be the first time his prognostications had come to nothing.
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Wouldn't be the first time he'd been right, either
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Fair comment. Just pointing out he's not always right.
 
So the deciding reason on why we got rid of Rafa was because he was able to say who we would and would not buy??

I just cant see that.
 
Well, maybe they started off thinking what a fair few have said on here, i.e.that retaining Rafa was a better prospect than appointing anybody on the (pretty short) list of possible successors - especially given the payoff they always knew they'd have to give him to leave. Seems fair enough to me that they then decided the transfer thing was too high a price to pay.
 
Look if the players want to go let them go but on our terms and at top dollar. Roy can reinvest the money.

This is a new chapter in our history and Roy is the author. I'm not buying into all this doom and gloom rubbish. With expectations revised, we'll surprise a few. I'm excited!
 
If they want to go history might eventually show this period as the best time to sell them, not that I want to lose them but it might not be for the worst

Stevie's 30 and just slipping out of his peak years, he deserves a Crack at some major trophy's and his stock/price will never again be so high. If he is intent on leaving, him staying another year could drop his price significantly

Nando although the best striker in the world at present and is young seems to have a serious chance of be becoming perma injured and going the way of Owen, Kewell, Redknapp etc, we may end up selling him having seen his best years too, probably not but theres a chance. many a great player has gone down the tubes due to contant small injuries, coupled with a few bigger ones, God being another example

Masher is in vogue at the moment and although a great player he lacks in certain areas..passing. He is a great player but maybe not what we need as his type is better suited as a guard for a fantastic attacking unit (wingers etc). Unfortunately we don't have that, so might be better suited to two midfielder who use the ball a little better albeit not as good defensively.

I may be putting a positive slant on what is obviously a shit scenario but great players have left in the past and we got the next best up and coming talent to replace them and it worked out well, sure losing these guys is gut wrenching but perhaps a clean slate and the money to reinvest will be the making of our next team.

Personally I think we should defo flog Masher, go along with whatever Stevie himself wants to do and try convince Nando to stay (difficult without the other pair) but if they all leave, thats life.

Athletico made some good acquisition's of the back of flogging Torres and pretty much maintained there standing, why can't we do the same and then push on from there?
 
The problem is alluded at the end of your post,Bob.

Our transfer record has been patchy, putting it mildly.

To sell our three best players and hope we buy well in replacing them is borderline suicidal, based on our track record.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40864.msg1131399#msg1131399 date=1278351057]
The problem is alluded at the end of your post,Bob.

Our transfer record has been patchy, putting it mildly.

To sell our three best players and hope we buy well in replacing them is borderline suicidal, based on our track record.
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Well it's Rafa's track record, but we'd be fools to gamble on being able to replace any more than just one of them, and even that's a BIG ask.
 
I wasnt actually referring to Rafa in particular, Mark.

(before someone pulls me up on it ;D )

We've been patchy for years; even more ominously, so has Hodgson.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40864.msg1131402#msg1131402 date=1278351161]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=40864.msg1131399#msg1131399 date=1278351057]
The problem is alluded at the end of your post,Bob.

Our transfer record has been patchy, putting it mildly.

To sell our three best players and hope we buy well in replacing them is borderline suicidal, based on our track record.
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Well it's Rafa's track record, but we'd be fools to gamble on being able to replace any more than just one of them, and even that's a BIG ask.
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Yes, it is. Bob's a lot more relaxed about the prospect of losing Masher (whether or not he wants to go) than I am.
 
I agree Jules - the loss of Mascherano would be a blow because no other footballer I know of, is as good at doing the job he does. Also, I don't think his passing is anywhere near as bad as his critics claim. Playing for Argentina he was spraying 40-yard passes around like nobody's business.

I think one of the ways Rafa went wrong was that he thought Mascher needed Lucas to help him. Mascher was completely capable of doing the business all on his own and Lucas was always superfluous in that role.
 
The problem with selling our best players will give selling teams the idea that we're cash rich and we'll end up paying over the odds for players.

We're at a distinct disadvantage the longer it takes for us to sell and replace players!
 
Portly - agree with all of that.

Another thing that surprises me a bit is the way a number of posters assume that losing Masher will mean we play more attacking football. Not only do I not think that follows, I can see Masher's departure having the opposite effect. Without him, everyone will have to share the defending duties more than they do when he's buzzing around like an angry hornet in front of our back four crunching anything that moves.
 
Spot on Jules. All attacking teams need to win possession of the ball in order to start off attacks. Pretty simple really! 🙂
 
Yeah, Masher's pretty damn good at his job, but he doesn't want to be here, so fuck him.

We will not be able to replace him with a player exactly like Masher, but for £25-30M there is no way we should be a worse off team after his departure. Hodgson's first test, I think, will be achieving a balanced midfield.
 
Having a pop at our best players because they are sick of playing for a crippled club is too much, i truly believe that Torres and Stevie would love to stay if the club could match their ambition to win stuff the fact is we will not.

5 to 12 million.... our big summer....

IMO if they leave ( and they probably will) it is not their fault and they should not be the focus of our anger.

We are not a big club anymore in anything but name, terrible but true, and we have to sell to pay our debts simple as that, Torres would be a fool to stay, just like Gerrard was.

I'm just hoping that after the money men have once again had their fill for another summer we will still have enough money to spend from the proceeds to rebuild well enough for us to challenge for top 4.
 
We are in a mess, this is true, and we do need to keep the payments on our debt up, but this would have been much easier to do had we qualified for the Champions League, which we certainly had a good enough squad to do and chance after chance of doing, all of which we missed.
 
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=40864.msg1131415#msg1131415 date=1278352285]
The problem with selling our best players will give selling teams the idea that we're cash rich and we'll end up paying over the odds for players.

We're at a distinct disadvantage the longer it takes for us to sell and replace players!
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Actually, the problem with selling our best players, is that they're our best players, & we're selling them.
 
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