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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42322.msg1202336#msg1202336 date=1287611364]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=42322.msg1202323#msg1202323 date=1287610146]
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42322.msg1202310#msg1202310 date=1287609531]
I don't understand your point.
If I compared Rafa to Wenger I could produce a similar list of duds that Wenger bought.
You are using a comparative list of Benitez' successful buys to unsuccessful buys to prove that Benitez is poor in the transfer market.
Then you tell me not to use a similar list comparing Ferguson's successful buys to his unsuccessful ones.
Quote "The comparison gives us little insight."
Then surely by your own argumentation, a list of Benitez buys compared to each other tells us nothing.
All we really have to go on are Benitez achievements CL, FA cup, highest points tally in recent memory
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You simply didn't get my last post mate. In very, very simple terms, Benitez has a very poor record in the transfer market. That's a fact. The amount of poor players he bought prove this. Whether you want to say Fergie equally has a poor record in the transfer market is neither here nor there.. not my concern. The fact remains Benitez's record WAS poor and that's all I care about.
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absolute bollocks. i mean, as far as i'm concerned it's a completely bollocks *opinion*, but at least admit it is an opinion and not even in the remotest vicinity of a fact.
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I'm not sure I'd be throwing the phrase absolute bollocks around.. when in the previous breath I've proclaimed the likes of Voronin, Krompkamp and et al as players/buys who weren't terrible failures. I mean, I suppose if you consider them as "alright buys" I can see where your coming from. My opinion on his transfer record would be absolute bollocks (how do we confirm it as fact anyway? other than he bought more poor players than good ones?).
However, having the misfortune of having to watch some of those players you listed above.. my eyes and firing synapses told me different, then and now.
No. I'll stick to my story for now. It's a fact. His record was poor. Now lets move on.
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[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42322.msg1202310#msg1202310 date=1287609531]
I don't understand your point.
If I compared Rafa to Wenger I could produce a similar list of duds that Wenger bought.
You are using a comparative list of Benitez' successful buys to unsuccessful buys to prove that Benitez is poor in the transfer market.
Then you tell me not to use a similar list comparing Ferguson's successful buys to his unsuccessful ones.
Quote "The comparison gives us little insight."
Then surely by your own argumentation, a list of Benitez buys compared to each other tells us nothing.
All we really have to go on are Benitez achievements CL, FA cup, highest points tally in recent memory
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You simply didn't get my last post mate. In very, very simple terms, Benitez has a very poor record in the transfer market. That's a fact. The amount of poor players he bought prove this. Whether you want to say Fergie equally has a poor record in the transfer market is neither here nor there.. not my concern. The fact remains Benitez's record WAS poor and that's all I care about.
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absolute bollocks. i mean, as far as i'm concerned it's a completely bollocks *opinion*, but at least admit it is an opinion and not even in the remotest vicinity of a fact.
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I'm not sure I'd be throwing the phrase absolute bollocks around.. when in the previous breath I've proclaimed the likes of Voronin, Krompkamp and et al as players/buys who weren't terrible failures. I mean, I suppose if you consider them as "alright buys" I can see where your coming from. My opinion on his transfer record would be absolute bollocks (how do we confirm it as fact anyway? other than he bought more poor players than good ones?).
However, having the misfortune of having to watch some of those players you listed above.. my eyes and firing synapses told me different, then and now.
No. I'll stick to my story for now. It's a fact. His record was poor. Now lets move on.
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42322.msg1202350#msg1202350 date=1287612964]
I'd argue that could pretty fairly be described as an opinion
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Ok, I'll concede. It's my opinion.
.. based upon facts. (Voronin, Leto, Josemi et al were all brought in by Rafa unfortunately)
I'd argue that could pretty fairly be described as an opinion
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Ok, I'll concede. It's my opinion.
.. based upon facts. (Voronin, Leto, Josemi et al were all brought in by Rafa unfortunately)
Rafa has a mixed transfer record with quality and poor buys, he started really well, but the last two years were disastrous and proved fatal to his time at Liverpool. Does this really need to be hashed out again.
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[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42322.msg1202350#msg1202350 date=1287612964]
I'd argue that could pretty fairly be described as an opinion
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Ok, I'll concede. It's my opinion.
.. based upon facts. (Voronin, Leto, Josemi et al were all brought in by Rafa unfortunately)
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y'see this is what i don't get, even though i seem to be in a small minority. i've got no problem with any of those signings, really. all bought for buttons, none of them really used much so minimal impact on team, 2 of them sold at a good profit and the other at break-even, none hung around longer than a couple of years. that's my honest opinion, i think they're of barely any consequence.
it was the same with GH and players like meijer, camara, le tallec. you don't risk a lot, you get the fee back at the end, and who knows, you might just get a bargain like arbeloa. really, who cares?
[quote author=dirtyho link=topic=42322.msg1202350#msg1202350 date=1287612964]
I'd argue that could pretty fairly be described as an opinion
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Ok, I'll concede. It's my opinion.
.. based upon facts. (Voronin, Leto, Josemi et al were all brought in by Rafa unfortunately)
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y'see this is what i don't get, even though i seem to be in a small minority. i've got no problem with any of those signings, really. all bought for buttons, none of them really used much so minimal impact on team, 2 of them sold at a good profit and the other at break-even, none hung around longer than a couple of years. that's my honest opinion, i think they're of barely any consequence.
it was the same with GH and players like meijer, camara, le tallec. you don't risk a lot, you get the fee back at the end, and who knows, you might just get a bargain like arbeloa. really, who cares?
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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=42322.msg1202205#msg1202205 date=1287605534]
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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=42322.msg1202191#msg1202191 date=1287604760]
I really believe Benitez (despite his cold-shoulder management) is top manager when:
1) He's not actually signing the players.
2) It's early on in his tenure and the squad players (especially) haven't yet been frozen out.
I fully expect him to do well for the first year or two, but when he has to start replacing the likes of Eto, Zanetti, Lucio and Samuel, if Moratti gives him free reign in the transfer market, he'll slowly and surely dismantle the side, especially the creativity within it. He seems lucky to have inherited some talented young wingers at Inter (something he couldn't buy for love nor money with us).
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I think rafa is a good manager but needs a board that will act quickly when he identifies a player he wants. rafa's first choices tend to be excellent.
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That's tosh. Like who.. Alves? (who we only know about because he went onto become a great success as a RB! when Rafa wanted him as a RW. I doubt we'd have heard this if he had flopped) Who else?
At the end of the day, Rafa bought what he bought. Those were his choices.
And they were often shite. (6-7 Krompkamps for every Alonso)
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alves
simeo
malouda
vidic
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so......4
Alves was glaringly obvious to everyone, as was simao. Vidic may be a case but christ, thats reaching
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Ramsey
Malouda
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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=42322.msg1202205#msg1202205 date=1287605534]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42322.msg1202194#msg1202194 date=1287605097]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=42322.msg1202191#msg1202191 date=1287604760]
I really believe Benitez (despite his cold-shoulder management) is top manager when:
1) He's not actually signing the players.
2) It's early on in his tenure and the squad players (especially) haven't yet been frozen out.
I fully expect him to do well for the first year or two, but when he has to start replacing the likes of Eto, Zanetti, Lucio and Samuel, if Moratti gives him free reign in the transfer market, he'll slowly and surely dismantle the side, especially the creativity within it. He seems lucky to have inherited some talented young wingers at Inter (something he couldn't buy for love nor money with us).
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I think rafa is a good manager but needs a board that will act quickly when he identifies a player he wants. rafa's first choices tend to be excellent.
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That's tosh. Like who.. Alves? (who we only know about because he went onto become a great success as a RB! when Rafa wanted him as a RW. I doubt we'd have heard this if he had flopped) Who else?
At the end of the day, Rafa bought what he bought. Those were his choices.
And they were often shite. (6-7 Krompkamps for every Alonso)
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alves
simeo
malouda
vidic
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so......4
Alves was glaringly obvious to everyone, as was simao. Vidic may be a case but christ, thats reaching
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Ramsey
Malouda
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=42322.msg1202377#msg1202377 date=1287615118]
Rafa has a mixed transfer record with quality and poor buys, he started really well, but the last two years were disastrous and proved fatal to his time at Liverpool. Does this really need to be hashed out again.
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YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE A SIDE!!!!!!
Rafa has a mixed transfer record with quality and poor buys, he started really well, but the last two years were disastrous and proved fatal to his time at Liverpool. Does this really need to be hashed out again.
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YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE A SIDE!!!!!!
Arshavin we were apparetly interested in but couldn't afford him
Walcott was mentioned by Benitez but couldn't afford what Arsenal were offering
Bale was also mentioned by Benitez
Barry we all know how that turned out
Tevez absolute stunning player, but ultimately we couldn't afford him either
Walcott was mentioned by Benitez but couldn't afford what Arsenal were offering
Bale was also mentioned by Benitez
Barry we all know how that turned out
Tevez absolute stunning player, but ultimately we couldn't afford him either
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42322.msg1202169#msg1202169 date=1287603837]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
take that you fucking, fucking, bollock-chopped twitching CUNT!
i think we're all rafa fans tonight. fucking nice one, man.
still, don't know if it says more about me or hodgson's liverpool that i haven't enjoyed a half of football that much since maybe benfica at anfield - or more likely utd about a year ago. whatever, right now i don't care - i'm just deliriously bitter.
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That's probably true, pete.
I happen to think Rafa's transfer record is pretty good, unfortunately most of the shit players happened in his last few windows at the worst possible time..ie when the money dried up.
We can go on talking about players he really wanted but which the board woudnt sanction (TM) or wonderful players he'd bought once upon a time (before the last few windows of rubbish).
Of course, you could make comparisons with WEnger and Ferguson all you like (whichis perfectly valid,both have bought rubbish...Wneger not so much,unfortunately); but as I see it, when he REALLY needed to get it right, he got it magnificently wrong over repeated transfer windows.
As I said in another post, his horrible last few windows gave Hicks the excuse he needed to cut the money.
If he'd bought well, not only would he still be here... I dare say the fucking (old) Yanks would have been out a tad earlier as well.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
take that you fucking, fucking, bollock-chopped twitching CUNT!
i think we're all rafa fans tonight. fucking nice one, man.
still, don't know if it says more about me or hodgson's liverpool that i haven't enjoyed a half of football that much since maybe benfica at anfield - or more likely utd about a year ago. whatever, right now i don't care - i'm just deliriously bitter.
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That's probably true, pete.
I happen to think Rafa's transfer record is pretty good, unfortunately most of the shit players happened in his last few windows at the worst possible time..ie when the money dried up.
We can go on talking about players he really wanted but which the board woudnt sanction (TM) or wonderful players he'd bought once upon a time (before the last few windows of rubbish).
Of course, you could make comparisons with WEnger and Ferguson all you like (whichis perfectly valid,both have bought rubbish...Wneger not so much,unfortunately); but as I see it, when he REALLY needed to get it right, he got it magnificently wrong over repeated transfer windows.
As I said in another post, his horrible last few windows gave Hicks the excuse he needed to cut the money.
If he'd bought well, not only would he still be here... I dare say the fucking (old) Yanks would have been out a tad earlier as well.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42322.msg1202413#msg1202413 date=1287619063]
Just watched the highlights of the Spurs game.
Bale's hat-trick is outrageous. What a fucking player he's become.
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Indeed so.
Remembering a lot of posters on here agreeing with me and others that we should've gone for him over half a Season ago when he still had difficult times settling in at Spurs. Such an obvious talented player ever since his Souhtampton days and by all means potentially the 'new Giggs'.
Just watched the highlights of the Spurs game.
Bale's hat-trick is outrageous. What a fucking player he's become.
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Indeed so.
Remembering a lot of posters on here agreeing with me and others that we should've gone for him over half a Season ago when he still had difficult times settling in at Spurs. Such an obvious talented player ever since his Souhtampton days and by all means potentially the 'new Giggs'.
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42322.msg1202692#msg1202692 date=1287660421]
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42322.msg1202413#msg1202413 date=1287619063]
Just watched the highlights of the Spurs game.
Bale's hat-trick is outrageous. What a fucking player he's become.
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He is a freak. Worth 20million plus. He owns the left flank of the field when he plays. His individual goal was insane. Zanetti couldn't get near him.
Bale is now easily better than Adam Johnson IMO as he has power to go with his pace.
Just watched the highlights of the Spurs game.
Bale's hat-trick is outrageous. What a fucking player he's become.
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He is a freak. Worth 20million plus. He owns the left flank of the field when he plays. His individual goal was insane. Zanetti couldn't get near him.
Bale is now easily better than Adam Johnson IMO as he has power to go with his pace.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42322.msg1202692#msg1202692 date=1287660421]
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
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The Insua comment evens it out in my book Doc 😉
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42322.msg1202692#msg1202692 date=1287660421]
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
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The Insua comment evens it out in my book Doc 😉
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42322.msg1202697#msg1202697 date=1287660997]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42322.msg1202692#msg1202692 date=1287660421]
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
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The Insua comment evens it out in my book Doc 😉
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"Bale will be a proper footballer shortly. I haven't seen enough of Insua to make up my mind on him yet, but if we had him and Bale then I'm sure we'd have LB covered for quite a few years between the 2 of them. "
How embarrassing- not! I sang Insua's praises from the rooftops. This is pretty measured stuff.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42322.msg1202692#msg1202692 date=1287660421]
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
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The Insua comment evens it out in my book Doc 😉
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"Bale will be a proper footballer shortly. I haven't seen enough of Insua to make up my mind on him yet, but if we had him and Bale then I'm sure we'd have LB covered for quite a few years between the 2 of them. "
How embarrassing- not! I sang Insua's praises from the rooftops. This is pretty measured stuff.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=42322.msg1202419#msg1202419 date=1287619877]
Arshavin we were apparetly interested in but couldn't afford him
Walcott was mentioned by Benitez but couldn't afford what Arsenal were offering
Bale was also mentioned by Benitez
Barry we all know how that turned out
Tevez absolute stunning player, but ultimately we couldn't afford him either
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I read somewhere that he wanted Aguero when he was still in Argentina but the board wouldnt sanction the deal due to the high transfer fee for such a young player.
Arshavin we were apparetly interested in but couldn't afford him
Walcott was mentioned by Benitez but couldn't afford what Arsenal were offering
Bale was also mentioned by Benitez
Barry we all know how that turned out
Tevez absolute stunning player, but ultimately we couldn't afford him either
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I read somewhere that he wanted Aguero when he was still in Argentina but the board wouldnt sanction the deal due to the high transfer fee for such a young player.
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42322.msg1202697#msg1202697 date=1287660997]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42322.msg1202692#msg1202692 date=1287660421]
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
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The Insua comment evens it out in my book Doc 😉
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"Bale will be a proper footballer shortly. I haven't seen enough of Insua to make up my mind on him yet, but if we had him and Bale then I'm sure we'd have LB covered for quite a few years between the 2 of them. "
How embarrassing- not! I sang Insua's praises from the rooftops. This is pretty measured stuff.
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I think i might change my name to Vladthe2nd.
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42322.msg1202697#msg1202697 date=1287660997]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42322.msg1202692#msg1202692 date=1287660421]
http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=30424.0;all
I'm quite ashamed of my Insua comment.
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You come out of that quite well Rafa as you well know! 😉
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The Insua comment evens it out in my book Doc 😉
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"Bale will be a proper footballer shortly. I haven't seen enough of Insua to make up my mind on him yet, but if we had him and Bale then I'm sure we'd have LB covered for quite a few years between the 2 of them. "
How embarrassing- not! I sang Insua's praises from the rooftops. This is pretty measured stuff.
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I think i might change my name to Vladthe2nd.
I didnt watch the game last night so i just checked it out now to see what all the fuss was about, Milan went to sleep for two of the three goals and the goalie should really have got something on them, nice finishes mind you but.... i've seen thousands of better goals.... IMO the headline should read Italians totally go to sleep and gift a hat trick ... or some other really catchy headline like that... he is a good player mind you... the new Giggs? Nah..
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