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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36295.msg958436#msg958436 date=1254820658]
the questions asked with weak.
how about;

'when you in for the club you promised you wouldn't load the dept on the club specifically using manu as an example, what happened? was that a lie?'

'you knew THE main reason moores sold the club was the stadium, you said you would build it, where is it?'

two questions just off the top of my head
[/quote]That question was asked.
 
Gillett actually sounds worse than Hicks. At least Hicks seems, perversely, relatively candid. He's a shit, but he doesn't contradict himself half as much as Gillett, who seems barely able to restrain himself from sneering at the manager after his risible Klinsmann dealings. Gillett happily gives long and detailed interviews in the US about his NASCAR and ice hockey concerns, yet only deigns to discuss LFC with pimply poltroons like this bloke. I'd really rather Hicks bought him out. That's how desperate I've become.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36295.msg958441#msg958441 date=1254821097]
Gillett actually sounds worse than Hicks. At least Hicks seems, perversely, relatively candid. He's a shit, but he doesn't contradict himself half as much as Gillett, who seems barely able to restrain himself from sneering at the manager after his risible Klinsmann dealings. Gillett happily gives long and detailed interviews in the US about his NASCAR and ice hockey concerns, yet only deigns to discuss LFC with pimply poltroons like this bloke. I'd really rather Hicks bought him out. That's how desperate I've become.
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Yeah, I tend to agree - and I thought that from the beginning. Hicks is a cold-hearted obnoxious bastard, but he doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Gillett is a charming, smiling, sabre-toothed weasel.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36295.msg958447#msg958447 date=1254821315]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36295.msg958441#msg958441 date=1254821097]
Gillett actually sounds worse than Hicks. At least Hicks seems, perversely, relatively candid. He's a shit, but he doesn't contradict himself half as much as Gillett, who seems barely able to restrain himself from sneering at the manager after his risible Klinsmann dealings. Gillett happily gives long and detailed interviews in the US about his NASCAR and ice hockey concerns, yet only deigns to discuss LFC with pimply poltroons like this bloke. I'd really rather Hicks bought him out. That's how desperate I've become.
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Yeah, I tend to agree - and I thought that from the beginning. Hicks is a cold-hearted obnoxious bastard, but he doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Gillett is a charming, smiling, sabre-toothed weasel.
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Two really lovely blokes we got ourselves there.

*sigh*
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36295.msg958447#msg958447 date=1254821315]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36295.msg958441#msg958441 date=1254821097]
Gillett actually sounds worse than Hicks. At least Hicks seems, perversely, relatively candid. He's a shit, but he doesn't contradict himself half as much as Gillett, who seems barely able to restrain himself from sneering at the manager after his risible Klinsmann dealings. Gillett happily gives long and detailed interviews in the US about his NASCAR and ice hockey concerns, yet only deigns to discuss LFC with pimply poltroons like this bloke. I'd really rather Hicks bought him out. That's how desperate I've become.
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Yeah, I tend to agree - and I thought that from the beginning. Hicks is a cold-hearted obnoxious bastard, but he doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Gillett is a charming, smiling, sabre-toothed weasel.
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I also dislike the fact Gillett seems to throw Hicks under the bus in regards to the comment about the stadium getting started. While he does explain that the timing was poor and the economic meltdown screwed things up, he throws responsibility onto Hicks, IMO.
 
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=36295.msg958501#msg958501 date=1254825258]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36295.msg958447#msg958447 date=1254821315]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36295.msg958441#msg958441 date=1254821097]
Gillett actually sounds worse than Hicks. At least Hicks seems, perversely, relatively candid. He's a shit, but he doesn't contradict himself half as much as Gillett, who seems barely able to restrain himself from sneering at the manager after his risible Klinsmann dealings. Gillett happily gives long and detailed interviews in the US about his NASCAR and ice hockey concerns, yet only deigns to discuss LFC with pimply poltroons like this bloke. I'd really rather Hicks bought him out. That's how desperate I've become.
[/quote]

Yeah, I tend to agree - and I thought that from the beginning. Hicks is a cold-hearted obnoxious bastard, but he doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Gillett is a charming, smiling, sabre-toothed weasel.
[/quote]

I also dislike the fact Gillett seems to throw Hicks under the bus in regards to the comment about the stadium getting started. While he does explain that the timing was poor and the economic meltdown screwed things up, he throws responsibility onto Hicks, IMO.
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Yes that was a little weird, i think the truth of it is that Gillette is genuienly shocked that we don't see him as some kind of club saviour and a good owner, its oddly naiive in a way, he does a marvellous impression of the disgruntled party laying blame at everybodies door but his own.

I just don't believe that they have spent 128M of their own money in the last 18 months, how?? WHERE?? as for they way he phrased it in that interview apparently Rafa spent 60M this summer... really?? yet again how the fuck does that work out??

Defending himself by insisting other teams are in a worse position is neither here nor there really is it we need real investment and he states categorically that he wont put any in. He cannot genuinely expect respect until he starts to come clean a bit more, most of what he said is cloudy but then thats maybe the idea... divide and conquer... never admit ANYTHING.
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=36295.msg958505#msg958505 date=1254826647]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=36295.msg958501#msg958501 date=1254825258]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36295.msg958447#msg958447 date=1254821315]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36295.msg958441#msg958441 date=1254821097]
Gillett actually sounds worse than Hicks. At least Hicks seems, perversely, relatively candid. He's a shit, but he doesn't contradict himself half as much as Gillett, who seems barely able to restrain himself from sneering at the manager after his risible Klinsmann dealings. Gillett happily gives long and detailed interviews in the US about his NASCAR and ice hockey concerns, yet only deigns to discuss LFC with pimply poltroons like this bloke. I'd really rather Hicks bought him out. That's how desperate I've become.
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Yeah, I tend to agree - and I thought that from the beginning. Hicks is a cold-hearted obnoxious bastard, but he doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Gillett is a charming, smiling, sabre-toothed weasel.
[/quote]

I also dislike the fact Gillett seems to throw Hicks under the bus in regards to the comment about the stadium getting started. While he does explain that the timing was poor and the economic meltdown screwed things up, he throws responsibility onto Hicks, IMO.
[/quote]

Yes that was a little weird, i think the truth of it is that Gillette is genuienly shocked that we don't see him as some kind of club saviour and a good owner, its oddly naiive in a way, he does a marvellous impression of the disgruntled party laying blame at everybodies door but his own.

I just don't believe that they have spent 128M of their own money in the last 18 months, how?? WHERE?? as for they way he phrased it in that interview apparently Rafa spent 60M this summer... really?? yet again how the fuck does that work out??

Defending himself by insisting other teams are in a worse position is neither here nor there really is it we need real investment and he states categorically that he wont put any in. He cannot genuinely expect respect until he starts to come clean a bit more, most of what he said is cloudy but then thats maybe the idea... divide and conquer... never admit ANYTHING.
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He seems to have conquered you anyway. Where's all your HATE gone, molbystwin?
 
The little creep still has a YNWA ringtone. Deluded and shameless. In the US he holds court, over here he only gabbles to little herberts who gatecrash his flying visits. Here he is talking up his other projects like he doesn't do us:


KANSAS CITY, Kan. -- George Gillett, majority owner of Richard Petty Motorsports, had just seated himself at a microphone in the media center at Kansas Speedway on Saturday when his cell phone rang.

The ring tone offered a rousing rendition of You'll Never Walk Alone, the song that is the anthem of the Liverpool Football Club that Gillett and his family also own a 50 percent stake.

Glances were exchanged around the room. Who could it be? Prince Faisal bin Fahad bin Abdullah Al Saud of Saudi Arabia? King Richard Petty of Level Cross, N.C.?

It turned out it was neither. It was Geoff Molson of the beer-brewing Canadian Molson family, sort of royalty in their own right.

"That's my other beer-drinking buddy, Geoff Molson," Gillett said before telling Molson he would return the call later, flipping the cell off, and getting down to the real business at hand -- which was explaining what he recently was doing in the Middle East, and just what in the heck is going on with his NASCAR operation.

Gillett went on to make it clear that he certainly will never walk alone in any of his many future business endeavors, which may include helping found a stock-car racing series in Saudi Arabia and could eventually include welcoming Saudi investors to claim a "very small" stake in the otherwise all-American RPM.

Gillett also said that RPM's pending merger with Yates Racing remains on track and that he fully expects RPM's cars to switch manufacturers from Dodge to Ford beginning next season. He did, however, backtrack on what appeared to be an earlier pledge to definitely run four cars in the Cup Series next year.

"We'll have for sure three teams, and hopefully four," said Gillett, who said he could not give specific names as to which drivers would be in which cars -- despite earlier reports linked to the organization that listed Kasey Kahne, A.J. Allmendinger, Elliott Sadler and Paul Menard as comprising the RPM stable in 2010.

Gillett said his main reason for making a rare media appearance at Kansas Speedway was to clear up misconceptions about his recent trip to Saudi Arabia.

"As I came back from Europe, I came back into a maelstrom of massively inaccurate stories," Gillett said. "[On Friday], I was watching practice and qualifying coverage and people were saying things on television who are perfectly well-intentioned people. But somebody or other has given them the wrong story."

Gillett admitted that his company's attempt to make an announcement last Wednesday that it had entered into a "commercial collaboration" agreement with F6, a leading Saudi Arabia-based sports management firm, probably "was not the way to go and produced more questions than answers."

The Saudi firm, founded and led by Saudi Arabian Prince Faisal bin Fahad bin Abdullah Al Saud, will work with Gillett's team "to explore business opportunities" in soccer, stock-car racing and interactive media in Saudi Arabia. Gillett explained further on Saturday that he was talking with his Saudi contacts about possibly building academies for young soccer players in the Middle East and North Africa when the subject of stock-car racing came up.

"In the midst of those conversations, the light went on and I said, 'My goodness, what an opportunity this might be if we could create a series in the Middle East for stock cars,'" Gillett said.


Gillett went on the stress that the conversations were very preliminary in nature, as were any minor discussions that may have taken place about Saudi investors eventually purchasing a minority stake in RPM.

He also further addressed RPM's pending merger with Yates Racing, which will include the switch in manufacturers from Dodge to Ford, and took issue with those who suggest that RPM is floundering in chaos at the moment.

"You all know what we have faced," Gillett told the assembled media. "You all have characterized that we've had chaos or pandemonium or whatever crazy words you've used. We have had some very natural shifts. When Chrysler went through bankruptcy, there was a very clear understanding on your part [in the media] and ours that we were going to have to find a new manufacturer. So we have been working on that, and we're very pleased with our letter of understanding with Ford. It certainly appears that we will be with Ford Racing next year.

"I would resist the concept of chaos -- because if we're in chaos, then there are a number of other teams that are a step beyond chaos, whatever that is. And I don't think that's the case.

"The loss of Chrysler and Dodge was a serious loss. Dodge has been a very good partner for us. ... The prospect of having to go find a new home was a daunting challenge for us, particularly in the middle of a season. But I think our people have responded well to it."



http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/headlines/cup/10/03/ggillett.explains.recent.rumors.rpetty/index.html?eref=/rss/news/headlines/cup
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36295.msg958509#msg958509 date=1254827391]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=36295.msg958505#msg958505 date=1254826647]
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=36295.msg958501#msg958501 date=1254825258]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36295.msg958447#msg958447 date=1254821315]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=36295.msg958441#msg958441 date=1254821097]
Gillett actually sounds worse than Hicks. At least Hicks seems, perversely, relatively candid. He's a shit, but he doesn't contradict himself half as much as Gillett, who seems barely able to restrain himself from sneering at the manager after his risible Klinsmann dealings. Gillett happily gives long and detailed interviews in the US about his NASCAR and ice hockey concerns, yet only deigns to discuss LFC with pimply poltroons like this bloke. I'd really rather Hicks bought him out. That's how desperate I've become.
[/quote]

Yeah, I tend to agree - and I thought that from the beginning. Hicks is a cold-hearted obnoxious bastard, but he doesn't pretend to be otherwise. Gillett is a charming, smiling, sabre-toothed weasel.
[/quote]

I also dislike the fact Gillett seems to throw Hicks under the bus in regards to the comment about the stadium getting started. While he does explain that the timing was poor and the economic meltdown screwed things up, he throws responsibility onto Hicks, IMO.
[/quote]

Yes that was a little weird, i think the truth of it is that Gillette is genuienly shocked that we don't see him as some kind of club saviour and a good owner, its oddly naiive in a way, he does a marvellous impression of the disgruntled party laying blame at everybodies door but his own.

I just don't believe that they have spent 128M of their own money in the last 18 months, how?? WHERE?? as for they way he phrased it in that interview apparently Rafa spent 60M this summer... really?? yet again how the fuck does that work out??

Defending himself by insisting other teams are in a worse position is neither here nor there really is it we need real investment and he states categorically that he wont put any in. He cannot genuinely expect respect until he starts to come clean a bit more, most of what he said is cloudy but then thats maybe the idea... divide and conquer... never admit ANYTHING.
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He seems to have conquered you anyway. Where's all your HATE gone, molbystwin?
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Oh its still there all right....
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=36295.msg958505#msg958505 date=1254826647]
Defending himself by insisting other teams are in a worse position is neither here nor there really is it we need real investment and he states categorically that he wont put any in. He cannot genuinely expect respect until he starts to come clean a bit more, most of what he said is cloudy but then thats maybe the idea... divide and conquer... never admit ANYTHING.
[/quote]

Yeah, I see it as either a) He is being deliberately shady with his explanations or B) He is very dense regarding how and why he is perceived by those outside North America.
 
GG} "Any comments on the stadium came from hicks. I think what happened was Hicks was absolutely convinced that we were going to start to move dirt to make for the foundations. In the period of time between Hicks saying that and the sixty day , the entire world credit market fell apart and I believe that he ended up with big egg on his face, making it look like he’d said something and then not living up to what he’d said and that was a mistake on his part".
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WHO said it, George, you lying little prick?
 
The poll on the gaurdian website also backs Gillett's statement with 54% agreeing that Rafa is to blame.
 
The SOS "interview" controlled the debate to the extent that the biggest thing to come out of it so far, is out of context copy about a split between manager and owner. Great work.

This dichotomy between Owners and Managers in terms of "who's to blame" completely misses the point, and it certainly isn't drawing attention to the correct things. First of all it assumes we are in some failed position that needs immediate explanation, that does no good for anyone. The owners have fundamental issues that are in some cases completely structural and distinct from any on the field performance. Yes, they also bleed onto the field, and did so this summer, but they would do so regardless of who was managing unless significant changes occur. The argument against Rafa is complicated by the fact that they've hampered his ability after his most successful league result, and indeed our most legitimate challenge in years, but it's an argument that doesn't exist in a dichotomy with our ownership issues.

The PR of the owners is unbelievably attrocious, if you aren't going to bother at all attempting to get along, and you don't have anyone with a brain controlling a shared message, just go back to shutting the fuck up. Certainly don't speak with a group that is openly disdainful of you in some ad hoc interview, and certainly don't make comments that could even be parsed as agreeing that we are underperforming, even if you think thats the case, or posit some reason why.
 
[quote author=Glock link=topic=36295.msg958927#msg958927 date=1254896255]
The poll on the gaurdian website also backs Gillett's statement with 54% agreeing that Rafa is to blame.
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Wow! And everyone who reads that paper is a Red, so that's pretty damning!


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I don't get this 22 million + Xabi Alonso money was spent on new signings.

Something doesn't add up. Are they counting recontracting fees for existing players? But when it comes to our rivals they only count the tranfer fee....

It is very very fishy, is it even possible that we paid way more than what is widely being reported in the media for all our new signing?

I haven't had a problem with them so far, but they should really stop lying that liverpool have out-spent our rivals. I don't see it....
 
They are counting the new contracts as expenditure.

The reported prices we paid are pretty much correct.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36295.msg959490#msg959490 date=1254932108]
They are counting the new contracts as expenditure.

The reported prices we paid are pretty much correct.
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That's fair enough, but no one else does it. And the only reason anyone would is to paper over their own shortcomings.

Do they think we're that stupid? I'm sure most other clubs have renewed players contracts this Summer, I don't hear their hierarchies coming out and spouting the sort of shit that this clown is.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36295.msg959490#msg959490 date=1254932108]
They are counting the new contracts as expenditure.

The reported prices we paid are pretty much correct.
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But how can that be squiggs?? surely they didnt just pay the contracts up front in one big lump sum did they?? Don't you find it a little bit disingenuous to say "oh ive ploughed in 128M in the last 18 months" in an interview discussing what happened and talks at length about the transfer funds for the manager??

They haven't spent it on transfers and they haven't spent on a new stadium so what have they spent it on exactly?? Big fat loan repayments that they took out I bet.... gee thanks George...

Did you think we were going to sign somebody as well as Johnson this summer? What did you think Reina was saying when he said the players were resigned to the situation? 128M?? WHERE?? On what ?? Its basically just a blatant fucking lie isn't it.

If you must insist on defending them by all means do so it is your perogative but i would really love to know how what he said there is either true or indeed vaguely helpful to the manager and the team. I might add that a few are pretty fucking sharpish to jump down Rafas throat whenever he says something which the press can twist, not a peep when its Gillette eh??

It was at best dozy interview, at worst a fucking ill timed PR session full of porky pies.

How is Gillette dropping the manager in the shit and his co-owner while lying through his back fucking teeth good for the club??

No your right... they are top fucking notch them boys they really are....
 
there is no way we've spent as much money as these guys claim. we may have committed it over the next 4 years with improved contracts etc but that just isn't the same as no doubt much of that will come from future income.

the spin on this is typical american bullshit.
 
Nowhere is it said that we spent 128m on transfers.

He said him and Hicks have invested 128m in the business, remember the last set of accounts only go as far as the middle of 2008 ? In those accounts they had to put in something like 60m for debt payments, they've probably had to do the same again this year.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36295.msg959554#msg959554 date=1254943036]
Nowhere is it said that we spent 128m on transfers.

He said him and Hicks have invested 128m in the business, remember the last set of accounts only go as far as the middle of 2008 ? In those accounts they had to put in something like 60m for debt payments, they've probably had to do the same again this year.
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So in an interview in which he implicitly lays the blame at the managers door and his co owner the day after a big defeat he glosses over veiled accusation of lack of investment including on the players side by insisting that he and Hicks have put in 128M in the same breath as talking about backing Rafa.... Oh i don't have the figures to hand!! classic stuff.... its like that scene in the blues brothers where Jon belushi insists he only writes out checks on the dashboard of his car when faced by the beer tab for the band.... I don't have the figures to hand for gods sake.... blimey...

It is at the very least ministry of information stuff Ross you have to agree.... Whatever way you paint it, and i accept that from his language he was probably caught on the hop by the ridiculous interviewer and was being overly defensive, whatever way you look at it he was being disingenuous about a fair set of concerns ie just what the fuck have they actually brought to the table. The stupid thing is i can see how he sees himself and how he feels hard done by in the press, i really can, but come on Ross, that interview was just stupid in the extreme.

I would honestly prefer it if he said we highly leveraged everything and bought a club which it turns out we couldnt really afford but we are making a better fist of it now and will try and get stuff sorted out ... it might take 10 more years,,,, at least that would be some honesty.

To suggest that all of the Alonso money was given back to Rafa is a distortion as to what the vast majoirty of people consider a transfer kitty, and to allow a huge figure of 128M in 18 months to sit there slap bang in the middle of that particular interview is just pathetic really, its largely to pay off a debt they brought to the club and has not brought us forward any. So he has been forced by the banks to pay some of the money towards paying off the loans they took out to buy the club and that is supposed to be investment is it?? thats the progress we've made??

And he sits there surprised that people aren't happy thats all he can do, especially when he says any further investment "wouldnt be smart".... great stuff...

His actions may be understandable in some ways, for him to be surprised , as he clearly is, at the opposition he faces is just well...dare i say it Ross my old friend....its laughable. I don't know Ross maybe just maybe they can sort it out, I hope so, I don't see any improvement soon though from his attitude nor do i take any confidence from his absolutely mental PR nous.
 
Back page of the mirror tmrw, not holding me breath.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...Liverpool-to-Arab-investor-article183281.html

Exclusive: George Gillett to sell half his stake in Liverpool to Arab investor

Published 23:00 07/10/09 By Alan Nixon


Liverpool co-owner George Gillett is flying to Saudi Arabia next week for talks in a bid to sell his 50 per cent stake to Prince Faisal bin Fahd.

Gillett is due to arrive in the Middle East on Wednesday and is scheduled for a three-day stay to sort out the deal with the Prince's advisers and his financial company F6 Sports.

Prince Faisal has been at Anfield as a guest of Gillett and - despite the American's denials - a sale is top of the agenda to be done rather than just an investment.

Gillett can sell his half of the Kop and leave the Arabs to deal with his partner Tom Hicks if they want complete control – or they may prefer to work with the Texan.

The 70-year-old Gillett is so keen to sell up that he is going to travel to the Arab's territory to conclude the transaction - with sources in the Middle East convinced that this will happen.

Prince Faisal's investment company has allies in the banking world and they would look at Liverpool as a club to make their name - and with potential for development down the line.

The Arab is looking to become a major player and building a new Anfield would make the business world look up to him. He certainly has the cash behind him to fulfil the plans that the Americans gave up on.

There are no figures being released on what Gillett is looking to get for his share in Liverpool but it is anticipated that the deal will be good enough to get him out of his current hole.

Gillett has tried to appease the club's fans but he knows that his lack of funds leaves Liverpool's support frustrated - and puts a strain on their bid to stay as a top four force.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=36295.msg959490#msg959490 date=1254932108]
They are counting the new contracts as expenditure.

The reported prices we paid are pretty much correct.
[/quote]

But how can that be squiggs?? surely they didnt just pay the contracts up front in one big lump sum did they?? Don't you find it a little bit disingenuous to say "oh ive ploughed in 128M in the last 18 months" in an interview discussing what happened and talks at length about the transfer funds for the manager??

They haven't spent it on transfers and they haven't spent on a new stadium so what have they spent it on exactly?? Big fat loan repayments that they took out I bet.... gee thanks George...

Did you think we were going to sign somebody as well as Johnson this summer? What did you think Reina was saying when he said the players were resigned to the situation? 128M?? WHERE?? On what ?? Its basically just a blatant fucking lie isn't it.

If you must insist on defending them by all means do so it is your perogative but i would really love to know how what he said there is either true or indeed vaguely helpful to the manager and the team. I might add that a few are pretty fucking sharpish to jump down Rafas throat whenever he says something which the press can twist, not a peep when its Gillette eh??

It was at best dozy interview, at worst a fucking ill timed PR session full of porky pies.

How is Gillette dropping the manager in the shit and his co-owner while lying through his back fucking teeth good for the club??

No your right... they are top fucking notch them boys they really are....
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I hope you feel better now after yet another rant but my comment wasn't in defence of the owners at all.
 
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