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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027497#msg1027497 date=1262734881]
Maureen is in the press every other day saying he would come back to England if offered the chance.

He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.

Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.

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Maureen who is on £11m in italy would not come to Liverpool and work for the yanks for less than half the money and with zero transfer funds besides, even if he did he would do a worse job than Benitez. I can't imagine what ageing freebies he would sign
 
Firstly this article is hardly gospel. We will have to see what happens.
I suspect though that the owners will want to pay off some debt and this is just something we need to accept for the time being.

Secondly, Benitez didn't help himself in this respect by our appalling showing in the Champions League. This is not the fault of the owners. Its the fault of Benitez. Our players should be good enough to get through that.

Thirdly, much of this talk of the owners not giving money is based on last summer. Now if I recall correctly the story was that the money for contracts was taken out of the transfer budget. Next year these same players won't need new contracts and (we hope) Benitez won't feel the need to sack half the coaching staff so there shouldn't be those extra costs.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=38291.msg1027483#msg1027483 date=1262734244]
The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.

To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.

I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.


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Oh shit, that's a death move right there !
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027501#msg1027501 date=1262735080]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027497#msg1027497 date=1262734881]
Maureen is in the press every other day saying he would come back to England if offered the chance.

He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.

Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.

[/quote]

Maureen who is on £11m in italy would not come to Liverpool and work for the yanks for less than half the money and with zero transfer funds besides, even if he did he would do a worse job than Benitez. I can't imagine what ageing freebies he would sign

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He'd get some decent players with the money we'd get for Torres & Reina
 
I've probably been one of the most critical of Rafa's transfer dealings over the years but I don't really get the some of posts in this thread - rebels hysteria aside.

I get that people are fed up and I get that now is a very accommodating climate for being all out anti-Rafa but what kind of an attitude is "Why give Rafa any money... he'll only waste it"?

Don't get it.
 
Maybe, just maybe, the owners don't want to give Rafa any funds because they're scared shitless he will fuck it off on another useless cunt.

His last big money splashes have been fucking horrendous. A fucking rb when it was obvious to everyone and their dog we needed a striker proves it all.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38291.msg1027508#msg1027508 date=1262735422]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=38291.msg1027483#msg1027483 date=1262734244]
The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.

I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.[/quote]
Oh shit, that's a death move right there ![/quote]

I wish, he can't be killed, he's like some sort of vampire twat.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38291.msg1027507#msg1027507 date=1262735369]
Firstly this article is hardly gospel. We will have to see what happens.
I suspect though that the owners will want to pay off some debt and this is just something we need to accept for the time being.

Secondly, Benitez didn't help himself in this respect by our appalling showing in the Champions League. This is not the fault of the owners. Its the fault of Benitez. Our players should be good enough to get through that.

Thirdly, much of this talk of the owners not giving money is based on last summer. Now if I recall correctly the story was that the money for contracts was taken out of the transfer budget. Next year these same players won't need new contracts and (we hope) Benitez won't feel the need to sack half the coaching staff so there shouldn't be those extra costs.
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Appalling showing in the Champions league? You mean the comeptition he's had us in for 5 years running and earned us plenty of prize money in with two runs to a final. He owes us NOTHING as far as the CL is concerned, it is not unusual to have a blip.

It seems your expectations and some fans expectations are too high and maybe the board expectations, especially if they were so deluded as to sack a manager for performance in the CL after what Benitez has done in that competition

As for players, they're always needing new contracts, there are going to have to be some tough decisions, maybe we'll have to allow some leave and not replace them and instead play kids which is what everyone calls for but it will make us less competitive

You cannot spend fuck all and have the same expectations as before, the budgets are changing and so should expectations. when the yanks are done with us we'll be happy with midtable i imagine
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027512#msg1027512 date=1262735631]
Maybe, just maybe, the owners don't want to give Rafa any funds because they're scared shitless he will fuck it off on another useless cunt.

His last big money splashes have been fucking horrendous. A fucking rb when it was obvious to everyone and their dog we needed a striker proves it all.

[/quote]

Another useless cunt like Reina? Torres? Masher? Good idea, let's starve Rafa of cash, that will serve him right.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027510#msg1027510 date=1262735497]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027501#msg1027501 date=1262735080]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027497#msg1027497 date=1262734881]
Maureen is in the press every other day saying he would come back to England if offered the chance.

He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.

Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.

[/quote]

Maureen who is on £11m in italy would not come to Liverpool and work for the yanks for less than half the money and with zero transfer funds besides, even if he did he would do a worse job than Benitez. I can't imagine what ageing freebies he would sign

[/quote]

He'd get some decent players with the money we'd get for Torres & Reina
[/quote]

If he was allowed to spend it rather than it going on debt repayments
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027516#msg1027516 date=1262735900]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027512#msg1027512 date=1262735631]
Maybe, just maybe, the owners don't want to give Rafa any funds because they're scared shitless he will fuck it off on another useless cunt.

His last big money splashes have been fucking horrendous. A fucking rb when it was obvious to everyone and their dog we needed a striker proves it all.

[/quote]

Another useless cunt like Reina? Torres? Masher? Good idea, let's starve Rafa of cash, that will serve him right.
[/quote]


How come you conveniently skipped off his last 3 big signings amassing to more than 60million quid?
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027517#msg1027517 date=1262735910]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027510#msg1027510 date=1262735497]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027501#msg1027501 date=1262735080]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027497#msg1027497 date=1262734881]
Maureen is in the press every other day saying he would come back to England if offered the chance.

He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.

Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.

[/quote]

Maureen who is on £11m in italy would not come to Liverpool and work for the yanks for less than half the money and with zero transfer funds besides, even if he did he would do a worse job than Benitez. I can't imagine what ageing freebies he would sign

[/quote]

He'd get some decent players with the money we'd get for Torres & Reina
[/quote]

If he was allowed to spend it rather than it going on debt repayments
[/quote]

We'd get in the region of £120m for the two.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027521#msg1027521 date=1262736144]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027517#msg1027517 date=1262735910]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027510#msg1027510 date=1262735497]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027501#msg1027501 date=1262735080]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027497#msg1027497 date=1262734881]
Maureen is in the press every other day saying he would come back to England if offered the chance.

He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.

Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.


[/quote]

Maureen who is on £11m in italy would not come to Liverpool and work for the yanks for less than half the money and with zero transfer funds besides, even if he did he would do a worse job than Benitez. I can't imagine what ageing freebies he would sign

[/quote]

He'd get some decent players with the money we'd get for Torres & Reina
[/quote]

If he was allowed to spend it rather than it going on debt repayments
[/quote]

We'd get in the region of £120m for the two.
[/quote]

oh dear.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027521#msg1027521 date=1262736144]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027517#msg1027517 date=1262735910]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027510#msg1027510 date=1262735497]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027501#msg1027501 date=1262735080]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027497#msg1027497 date=1262734881]
Maureen is in the press every other day saying he would come back to England if offered the chance.

He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.

Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.

[/quote]

Maureen who is on £11m in italy would not come to Liverpool and work for the yanks for less than half the money and with zero transfer funds besides, even if he did he would do a worse job than Benitez. I can't imagine what ageing freebies he would sign

[/quote]

He'd get some decent players with the money we'd get for Torres & Reina
[/quote]

If he was allowed to spend it rather than it going on debt repayments
[/quote]

We'd get in the region of £120m for the two.
[/quote]

RBS would be pleased with that and so would Rosco no doubt
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=38291.msg1027514#msg1027514 date=1262735703]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38291.msg1027508#msg1027508 date=1262735422]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=38291.msg1027483#msg1027483 date=1262734244]
The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.

I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.[/quote]
Oh shit, that's a death move right there ![/quote]

I wish, he can't be killed, he's like some sort of vampire twat.
[/quote]

Ha ha ha !
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027519#msg1027519 date=1262736144]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027516#msg1027516 date=1262735900]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027512#msg1027512 date=1262735631]
Maybe, just maybe, the owners don't want to give Rafa any funds because they're scared shitless he will fuck it off on another useless cunt.

His last big money splashes have been fucking horrendous. A fucking rb when it was obvious to everyone and their dog we needed a striker proves it all.

[/quote]

Another useless cunt like Reina? Torres? Masher? Good idea, let's starve Rafa of cash, that will serve him right.
[/quote]


How come you conveniently skipped off his last 3 big signings amassing to more than 60million quid?
[/quote]

That'd be who? Robbie Keane, Glenn Johnson & Aqua?
 
Rebel, I'm not disputing that Benitez has done well in the CL in the past but when there is a competition that is a huge money spinner and we are knocked out of it at the group stage that is a problem isn't it?

I'm not saying he should be sacked purely because of that but no owner is going to see a club knocked out of a competition that raises valuable revenue and say "well, you've done well in this before so the money we've lost doesn't matter. Have some more".
In financial terms it doesn't matter at all what he's done in the CL before.
 
rebel23 and Kopking are like the fucking Hicks and Gilette of this forum - a pair of know-nothing insidious fuckwits who bring nothing to the place and just piss everyone off.
 
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027529#msg1027529 date=1262736425]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027519#msg1027519 date=1262736144]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027516#msg1027516 date=1262735900]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027512#msg1027512 date=1262735631]
Maybe, just maybe, the owners don't want to give Rafa any funds because they're scared shitless he will fuck it off on another useless cunt.

His last big money splashes have been fucking horrendous. A fucking rb when it was obvious to everyone and their dog we needed a striker proves it all.

[/quote]

Another useless cunt like Reina? Torres? Masher? Good idea, let's starve Rafa of cash, that will serve him right.
[/quote]


How come you conveniently skipped off his last 3 big signings amassing to more than 60million quid?
[/quote]

That'd be who? Robbie Keane, Glenn Johnson & Aqua?
[/quote]


Yeh those 3 world beaters.

Oh....
 
My poor club. From the newest youngest fan all the way to Gillett and Hicks it's totally fucked.
I don't think I've ever felt this sad about it. When we were spiraling out of control under Souness we still had the biggest name in England. Under Houllier it was obvious that we were on much more of an even keel and needing finishing touches and not surgery. Gerrard, Carragher, Owen, Hamman, Hyppia, Finnan, Riise etc a really solid side that needed a touch of flair and a bit of direction.
Now? Fuck me. No money, an absurdly unbalanced squad, squabbling owners who don't want to invest. One mans recruits all through the club, dissillusioned players, a manager looking lost, fans falling to pieces and blaming everyone for the mess were in. It's fucking horrific.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=38291.msg1027534#msg1027534 date=1262736655]
rebel23 and Kopking are like the fucking Hicks and Gilette of this forum - a pair of know-nothing insidious fuckwits who bring nothing to the place and just piss everyone off.
[/quote]

Who cares what you think? I dont have to have the same opinion as you. at least i dont have to resort to name calling like a petulant child.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=38291.msg1027534#msg1027534 date=1262736655]
rebel23 and Kopking are like the fucking Hicks and Gilette of this forum - a pair of know-nothing insidious fuckwits who bring nothing to the place and just piss everyone off.
[/quote]

Oh and stick to talking football or fuck off.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027536#msg1027536 date=1262736679]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027529#msg1027529 date=1262736425]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027519#msg1027519 date=1262736144]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=38291.msg1027516#msg1027516 date=1262735900]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=38291.msg1027512#msg1027512 date=1262735631]
Maybe, just maybe, the owners don't want to give Rafa any funds because they're scared shitless he will fuck it off on another useless cunt.

His last big money splashes have been fucking horrendous. A fucking rb when it was obvious to everyone and their dog we needed a striker proves it all.

[/quote]

Another useless cunt like Reina? Torres? Masher? Good idea, let's starve Rafa of cash, that will serve him right.
[/quote]


How come you conveniently skipped off his last 3 big signings amassing to more than 60million quid?
[/quote]

That'd be who? Robbie Keane, Glenn Johnson & Aqua?
[/quote]


Yeh those 3 world beaters.

Oh....
[/quote]

Ha ha ..well Keane wasn't successful, but we goit back most of our money. Johnson has been a fantastic signing, and Aqua has only just started playing so the jury is out. Thats a potential 5 out of 6 successful signings. I'd take that any day of the week.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38291.msg1027533#msg1027533 date=1262736640]
Rebel, I'm not disputing that Benitez has done well in the CL in the past but when there is a competition that is a huge money spinner and we are knocked out of it at the group stage that is a problem isn't it?

I'm not saying he should be sacked purely because of that but no owner is going to see a club knocked out of a competition that raises valuable revenue and say "well, you've done well in this before so the money we've lost doesn't matter. Have some more".
In financial terms it doesn't matter at all what he's done in the CL before.
[/quote]

We got unlucky in the CL, we conceeded some late goals. Benitez cannot control that sort of shit. If the owners dont have the finance they should sell the club and quickly
 
A depressingly accurate post Oncy.
However, on a vaguely bright side I still think our players are a lot better than they have appeared this season. Well, some of them.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38291.msg1027538#msg1027538 date=1262736752]
My poor club. From the newest youngest fan all the way to Gillett and Hicks it's totally fucked.
I don't think I've ever felt this sad about it. When we were spiraling out of control under Souness we still had the biggest name in England. Under Houllier it was obvious that we were on much more of an even keel and needing finishing touches and not surgery. Gerrard, Carragher, Owen, Hamman, Hyppia, Finnan, Riise etc a really solid side that needed a touch of flair and a bit of direction.
Now? Fuck me. No money, an absurdly unbalanced squad, squabbling owners who don't want to invest. One mans recruits all through the club, dissillusioned players, a manager looking lost, fans falling to pieces and blaming everyone for the mess were in. It's fucking horrific.
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Chin up Big Guy. the only way is up!
 
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