The yanks are screwing us over again
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027411#msg1027411 date=1262730905]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
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He's one of them Rebel.
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no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling
I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.
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Wenger managed it.
Fergie is doing it now.
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Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
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Aquilani 20 million
Johnson 18 million.
You're a wind up merchant
Really. Bye.
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those were because we SOLD Alonso in the summer and were effectively one out, one in.
But it now seems we have reached a point where he can't even spend the proceeds of sales, that's the point
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And Wenger sold nobody last summer ?
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we're talking about the Jan transfer window last year, you know the one where Arsenal weren't doing too well in the league and bought a £15m Russian international on £80k a week, without having to sell anybody
In the summer wenger by choice sold some players to neuvo rich City (and had them right off) but that doesn't preclude the fact that they regularly buy quality when they need it and aren't hindered by sales or anything else
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027411#msg1027411 date=1262730905]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
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He's one of them Rebel.
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no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling
I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.
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Wenger managed it.
Fergie is doing it now.
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Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]
Aquilani 20 million
Johnson 18 million.
You're a wind up merchant
Really. Bye.
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those were because we SOLD Alonso in the summer and were effectively one out, one in.
But it now seems we have reached a point where he can't even spend the proceeds of sales, that's the point
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And Wenger sold nobody last summer ?
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we're talking about the Jan transfer window last year, you know the one where Arsenal weren't doing too well in the league and bought a £15m Russian international on £80k a week, without having to sell anybody
In the summer wenger by choice sold some players to neuvo rich City (and had them right off) but that doesn't preclude the fact that they regularly buy quality when they need it and aren't hindered by sales or anything else
Arsenal regularly buy quality? They might, but they pay fuck all for them, as their financial records indicate.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38291.msg1027425#msg1027425 date=1262731675]
Why would we be left with Alan Curbishley?
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Who else is going to take a job like that? do you honestly believe, in your fantasy world that Mourinho is going to be knocking on our door, to be paid half of what he's paid now and have ZERO transfer funds? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Why would we be left with Alan Curbishley?
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Who else is going to take a job like that? do you honestly believe, in your fantasy world that Mourinho is going to be knocking on our door, to be paid half of what he's paid now and have ZERO transfer funds? HAHAHAHAHAHA
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[quote author=Richey link=topic=38291.msg1027425#msg1027425 date=1262731675]
Why would we be left with Alan Curbishley?
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I'm open to Rafa going if he can't turn our season around, but as of yet nobody on here has been able to come up with a realistic replacement for Rafa if he was sacked. It's all well and good calling for him to get the boot, but who would we end up with Richey?
Capello - England last job
Jose - I highly doubt it
Hiddink - Has stated that he wants to carry on with Russia + he's old and has a dodgy record.
So who's left?
Why would we be left with Alan Curbishley?
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I'm open to Rafa going if he can't turn our season around, but as of yet nobody on here has been able to come up with a realistic replacement for Rafa if he was sacked. It's all well and good calling for him to get the boot, but who would we end up with Richey?
Capello - England last job
Jose - I highly doubt it
Hiddink - Has stated that he wants to carry on with Russia + he's old and has a dodgy record.
So who's left?
Phil brown
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38291.msg1027421#msg1027421 date=1262731366]
So basically Moores sold us to the highest bidder and in turn G&H then lied (shocka) and saddled us with £250m of debt, which now leaves us completely in the shite?
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Pretty much.
We're not really "in the shite", we're in a period of time where we need to be frugal with our money and clever in how we use it. There's lighjt at the end of the tunner, the tunnel could however be a couple of years long.
Clearing deadwood off the wage bill is an obvious place to start. Why pay the likes of Degen, Dossena, Babel and Voronin the guts of £8m- £10m a year in wages for fuck all return ?
So basically Moores sold us to the highest bidder and in turn G&H then lied (shocka) and saddled us with £250m of debt, which now leaves us completely in the shite?
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Pretty much.
We're not really "in the shite", we're in a period of time where we need to be frugal with our money and clever in how we use it. There's lighjt at the end of the tunner, the tunnel could however be a couple of years long.
Clearing deadwood off the wage bill is an obvious place to start. Why pay the likes of Degen, Dossena, Babel and Voronin the guts of £8m- £10m a year in wages for fuck all return ?
... HAHAHAHAHA
sorry, my sides are still splitting at the thought of all the world class managers desperate to come to Liverpool and work with 2 yanks cunts, looking for the latest class free signing and putting up with fans like Sheik slagging him off to eternity when he somehow fails to succeed
sorry, my sides are still splitting at the thought of all the world class managers desperate to come to Liverpool and work with 2 yanks cunts, looking for the latest class free signing and putting up with fans like Sheik slagging him off to eternity when he somehow fails to succeed
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027443#msg1027443 date=1262732196]
HAHAHAHAHA
sorry, my sides are still splitting at the thought of all the world class managers desperate to come to Liverpool and work with 2 yanks cunts, looking for the latest class free signing and putting up with fans like Sheik slagging him off to eternity when he somehow fails to succeed
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My God, I so want to say something bad to you. Something really bad.
HAHAHAHAHA
sorry, my sides are still splitting at the thought of all the world class managers desperate to come to Liverpool and work with 2 yanks cunts, looking for the latest class free signing and putting up with fans like Sheik slagging him off to eternity when he somehow fails to succeed
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My God, I so want to say something bad to you. Something really bad.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027422#msg1027422 date=1262731456]
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027411#msg1027411 date=1262730905]
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
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He's one of them Rebel.
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no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling
I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.
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Wenger managed it.
Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]
Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]
Aquilani 20 million
Johnson 18 million.
You're a wind up merchant
Really. Bye.
[/quote]
those were because we SOLD Alonso in the summer and were effectively one out, one in.
But it now seems we have reached a point where he can't even spend the proceeds of sales, that's the point
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And Wenger sold nobody last summer ?
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we're talking about the Jan transfer window last year, you know the one where Arsenal weren't doing too well in the league and bought a £15m Russian international on £80k a week, without having to sell anybody
In the summer wenger by choice sold some players to neuvo rich City (and had them right off) but that doesn't preclude the fact that they regularly buy quality when they need it and aren't hindered by sales or anything else
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Think about it for a second.
They have a minus net spend of £26m in the past five and half years, they always have mponey because they don't go out and spend it needlessly on players who are clearly not up to it.
They're better at managing their squad, their youth set up and consequently have spare money because they have raised it previously. They do things on a strategic long term basis, we do it on regular panic buys with little or no long term thought.
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
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He's one of them Rebel.
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no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling
I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.
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Wenger managed it.
Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]
Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]
Aquilani 20 million
Johnson 18 million.
You're a wind up merchant
Really. Bye.
[/quote]
those were because we SOLD Alonso in the summer and were effectively one out, one in.
But it now seems we have reached a point where he can't even spend the proceeds of sales, that's the point
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And Wenger sold nobody last summer ?
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we're talking about the Jan transfer window last year, you know the one where Arsenal weren't doing too well in the league and bought a £15m Russian international on £80k a week, without having to sell anybody
In the summer wenger by choice sold some players to neuvo rich City (and had them right off) but that doesn't preclude the fact that they regularly buy quality when they need it and aren't hindered by sales or anything else
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Think about it for a second.
They have a minus net spend of £26m in the past five and half years, they always have mponey because they don't go out and spend it needlessly on players who are clearly not up to it.
They're better at managing their squad, their youth set up and consequently have spare money because they have raised it previously. They do things on a strategic long term basis, we do it on regular panic buys with little or no long term thought.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027442#msg1027442 date=1262732195]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38291.msg1027421#msg1027421 date=1262731366]
So basically Moores sold us to the highest bidder and in turn G&H then lied (shocka) and saddled us with £250m of debt, which now leaves us completely in the shite?
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Pretty much.
We're not really "in the shite", we're in a period of time where we need to be frugal with our money and clever in how we use it. There's lighjt at the end of the tunner, the tunnel could however be a couple of years long.
Clearing deadwood off the wage bill is an obvious place to start. Why pay the likes of Degen, Dossena, Babel and Voronin the guts of £8m- £10m a year in wages for fuck all return ?
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Cheers Rosco.
If we get a new investor in (for George G's stake) would that change anything iyo, or do you think the same plan would still be followed?
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38291.msg1027421#msg1027421 date=1262731366]
So basically Moores sold us to the highest bidder and in turn G&H then lied (shocka) and saddled us with £250m of debt, which now leaves us completely in the shite?
[/quote]
Pretty much.
We're not really "in the shite", we're in a period of time where we need to be frugal with our money and clever in how we use it. There's lighjt at the end of the tunner, the tunnel could however be a couple of years long.
Clearing deadwood off the wage bill is an obvious place to start. Why pay the likes of Degen, Dossena, Babel and Voronin the guts of £8m- £10m a year in wages for fuck all return ?
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Cheers Rosco.
If we get a new investor in (for George G's stake) would that change anything iyo, or do you think the same plan would still be followed?
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027443#msg1027443 date=1262732196]
... HAHAHAHAHA
sorry, my sides are still splitting at the thought of all the world class managers desperate to come to Liverpool and work with 2 yanks cunts, looking for the latest class free signing and putting up with fans like Sheik slagging him off to eternity when he somehow fails to succeed
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I think some people stop thinking after shouting "Rafa out". I hate to think who we might end up with.
... HAHAHAHAHA
sorry, my sides are still splitting at the thought of all the world class managers desperate to come to Liverpool and work with 2 yanks cunts, looking for the latest class free signing and putting up with fans like Sheik slagging him off to eternity when he somehow fails to succeed
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I think some people stop thinking after shouting "Rafa out". I hate to think who we might end up with.
we have reached a point where we need to have a negative spend, Arsenal don't need to do that. Wenger does it by choice and from the benefit of being safely ensconced (i.e bullet proof job security).
Are you really defending this practice Rosco, i.e the selling of players and not replacing them, as a way of running LFC? Because I assure you the outcome is the club going backwards and everything being undone.
Are you really defending this practice Rosco, i.e the selling of players and not replacing them, as a way of running LFC? Because I assure you the outcome is the club going backwards and everything being undone.
If Benitez goes we will always attract top managers. Remember the owners could easily have got rid of Benitez already but instead gave him a massive new contract worth millions. They also funded his entire expensive overhaul of the coaching staff.
There is no reason to suggest that we would go bargain basement shopping in our search for a new manager.
Regarding the transfer budget I would suggest that money would be found but probably not a huge amount admittedly.
However, I thought Benitez had built a brilliant squad rebel? Why would a top manager need a huge budget anyway?
There is no reason to suggest that we would go bargain basement shopping in our search for a new manager.
Regarding the transfer budget I would suggest that money would be found but probably not a huge amount admittedly.
However, I thought Benitez had built a brilliant squad rebel? Why would a top manager need a huge budget anyway?
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38291.msg1027468#msg1027468 date=1262733572]
If Benitez goes we will always attract top managers. Remember the owners could easily have got rid of Benitez already but instead gave him a massive new contract worth millions. They also funded his entire expensive overhaul of the coaching staff.
There is no reason to suggest that we would go bargain basement shopping in our search for a new manager.
Regarding the transfer budget I would suggest that money would be found but probably not a huge amount admittedly.
However, I thought Benitez had built a brilliant squad rebel? Why would a top manager need a huge budget anyway?
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He has built a valuable squad, not a brilliant squad. it would be a bit much for him to build a brilliant squad with half the wage bill of Chelsea and United
A new manager would probably have to sell Torres if he wanted significant funds to bring in his own players, Benitez might have to make that decision or a similar type of decision. The problem now is that it appears the owners wont let the manager spend the proceeds of a sale
Who is going to want a job like this? to me it sounds like mission impossible and no one of any note will take it, especially when they realize just how big cunts the owners are
If Benitez goes we will always attract top managers. Remember the owners could easily have got rid of Benitez already but instead gave him a massive new contract worth millions. They also funded his entire expensive overhaul of the coaching staff.
There is no reason to suggest that we would go bargain basement shopping in our search for a new manager.
Regarding the transfer budget I would suggest that money would be found but probably not a huge amount admittedly.
However, I thought Benitez had built a brilliant squad rebel? Why would a top manager need a huge budget anyway?
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He has built a valuable squad, not a brilliant squad. it would be a bit much for him to build a brilliant squad with half the wage bill of Chelsea and United
A new manager would probably have to sell Torres if he wanted significant funds to bring in his own players, Benitez might have to make that decision or a similar type of decision. The problem now is that it appears the owners wont let the manager spend the proceeds of a sale
Who is going to want a job like this? to me it sounds like mission impossible and no one of any note will take it, especially when they realize just how big cunts the owners are
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027476#msg1027476 date=1262733854]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38291.msg1027468#msg1027468 date=1262733572]
If Benitez goes we will always attract top managers. Remember the owners could easily have got rid of Benitez already but instead gave him a massive new contract worth millions. They also funded his entire expensive overhaul of the coaching staff.
There is no reason to suggest that we would go bargain basement shopping in our search for a new manager.
Regarding the transfer budget I would suggest that money would be found but probably not a huge amount admittedly.
However, I thought Benitez had built a brilliant squad rebel? Why would a top manager need a huge budget anyway?
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He has built a valuable squad, not a brilliant squad. it would be a bit much for him to build a brilliant squad with half the wage bill of Chelsea and United
A new manager would probably have to sell Torres if he wanted significant funds to bring in his own players, Benitez might have to make that decision or a similar type of decision. The problem now is that it appears the owners wont let the manager spend the proceeds of a sale
Who is going to want a job like this? to me it sounds like mission impossible and no one of any note will take it, especially when they realize just how big cunts the owners are
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To be fair rebel, my understanding is that rafa has to generate his own transfer funds, at least for this season. Next year the world record shirt sponsorship deal kicks in.
[quote author=Richey link=topic=38291.msg1027468#msg1027468 date=1262733572]
If Benitez goes we will always attract top managers. Remember the owners could easily have got rid of Benitez already but instead gave him a massive new contract worth millions. They also funded his entire expensive overhaul of the coaching staff.
There is no reason to suggest that we would go bargain basement shopping in our search for a new manager.
Regarding the transfer budget I would suggest that money would be found but probably not a huge amount admittedly.
However, I thought Benitez had built a brilliant squad rebel? Why would a top manager need a huge budget anyway?
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He has built a valuable squad, not a brilliant squad. it would be a bit much for him to build a brilliant squad with half the wage bill of Chelsea and United
A new manager would probably have to sell Torres if he wanted significant funds to bring in his own players, Benitez might have to make that decision or a similar type of decision. The problem now is that it appears the owners wont let the manager spend the proceeds of a sale
Who is going to want a job like this? to me it sounds like mission impossible and no one of any note will take it, especially when they realize just how big cunts the owners are
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To be fair rebel, my understanding is that rafa has to generate his own transfer funds, at least for this season. Next year the world record shirt sponsorship deal kicks in.
The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.
I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.
I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.
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The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.
I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.
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comic genius
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The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.
I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.
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comic genius
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027442#msg1027442 date=1262732195]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38291.msg1027421#msg1027421 date=1262731366]
So basically Moores sold us to the highest bidder and in turn G&H then lied (shocka) and saddled us with £250m of debt, which now leaves us completely in the shite?
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Pretty much.
We're not really "in the shite", we're in a period of time where we need to be frugal with our money and clever in how we use it. There's lighjt at the end of the tunner, the tunnel could however be a couple of years long.
Clearing deadwood off the wage bill is an obvious place to start. Why pay the likes of Degen, Dossena, Babel and Voronin the guts of £8m- £10m a year in wages for fuck all return ?
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Cheers Rosco.
If we get a new investor in (for George G's stake) would that change anything iyo, or do you think the same plan would still be followed?
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I'm reading back the quoted post thinking how did I put an "r" at the end of tunnel, never mind the "j" in light. Am I retarded ?
With the current financial climate it's going to be difficult to get any investors in. Nobody is going to finance it out of their own pocket, they'd all look for a serious amount of borrowings to help finance it. We'd end up paying interest on that too.
If it's a case of swapping Gillett for A N Other then I don't see the point. The new investor can't put more money in (on top of what he pays off Gillett) unless Hicks ponies up an equal amount (highly unlikely given his financial problems) or dilutes his shareholding so he has less than 50% (again unlikely, we know Tom likes to have some degree of control).
Ideally what we want is a situation where we get rid of the Yanks, and strengthen the financial position of the club. Especially so we can get a new stadium built.
So we either need someone (or some new group) to buy both partners out and start afresh. Given the amount of money needed to do that as well as part finance a stadium we're down to a very short list of potential investors (and I'd be willing to bet they wouldn't give a shite about the club either). So I think it's unlikely.
Alternatively (and I've mentioned this a few times before) we need both Hicks and Gillette to sell an equal stake, say 15 -20% each, to a new investor. It could easily raise £150m+. Ideally they wouldn't pocket the cash (and to be honest given the potential larger gains to be had down the road I don't think they would) and would use it to lower debt and save some for part financing a stadium, putting us in a much stronger financial position. I would like to see that new investment come from Share Liverpool (even though I have doubts about them too). That way we guarantee the fans are well represented on the Board and can be made fully aware of any shenanigans the Yanks try. Hopefully in the long term we'd be able to get rid of the Yanks in favour of either complete fan ownership / or at least fan friendly investors.
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38291.msg1027421#msg1027421 date=1262731366]
So basically Moores sold us to the highest bidder and in turn G&H then lied (shocka) and saddled us with £250m of debt, which now leaves us completely in the shite?
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Pretty much.
We're not really "in the shite", we're in a period of time where we need to be frugal with our money and clever in how we use it. There's lighjt at the end of the tunner, the tunnel could however be a couple of years long.
Clearing deadwood off the wage bill is an obvious place to start. Why pay the likes of Degen, Dossena, Babel and Voronin the guts of £8m- £10m a year in wages for fuck all return ?
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Cheers Rosco.
If we get a new investor in (for George G's stake) would that change anything iyo, or do you think the same plan would still be followed?
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I'm reading back the quoted post thinking how did I put an "r" at the end of tunnel, never mind the "j" in light. Am I retarded ?
With the current financial climate it's going to be difficult to get any investors in. Nobody is going to finance it out of their own pocket, they'd all look for a serious amount of borrowings to help finance it. We'd end up paying interest on that too.
If it's a case of swapping Gillett for A N Other then I don't see the point. The new investor can't put more money in (on top of what he pays off Gillett) unless Hicks ponies up an equal amount (highly unlikely given his financial problems) or dilutes his shareholding so he has less than 50% (again unlikely, we know Tom likes to have some degree of control).
Ideally what we want is a situation where we get rid of the Yanks, and strengthen the financial position of the club. Especially so we can get a new stadium built.
So we either need someone (or some new group) to buy both partners out and start afresh. Given the amount of money needed to do that as well as part finance a stadium we're down to a very short list of potential investors (and I'd be willing to bet they wouldn't give a shite about the club either). So I think it's unlikely.
Alternatively (and I've mentioned this a few times before) we need both Hicks and Gillette to sell an equal stake, say 15 -20% each, to a new investor. It could easily raise £150m+. Ideally they wouldn't pocket the cash (and to be honest given the potential larger gains to be had down the road I don't think they would) and would use it to lower debt and save some for part financing a stadium, putting us in a much stronger financial position. I would like to see that new investment come from Share Liverpool (even though I have doubts about them too). That way we guarantee the fans are well represented on the Board and can be made fully aware of any shenanigans the Yanks try. Hopefully in the long term we'd be able to get rid of the Yanks in favour of either complete fan ownership / or at least fan friendly investors.
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027462#msg1027462 date=1262732847]
we have reached a point where we need to have a negative spend, Arsenal don't need to do that. Wenger does it by choice and from the benefit of being safely ensconced (i.e bullet proof job security).
Are you really defending this practice Rosco, i.e the selling of players and not replacing them, as a way of running LFC? Because I assure you the outcome is the club going backwards and everything being undone.
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Regardless of whether he does it by choice (which quite frankly is bullshit, since one of Arsenal's investors last year tried to begin a rights issue to give Wenger cash to compete with the other top clubs) , the simple fact of the matter is you can make your team better without huge sums of cash if you've got an eye for a good player on the up and can sell your own players when they reach their peak value and are no longer going to be able to sustain their level of performance. Wenger is excellent at it.
I'm not saying it's easy, because it certainly isn't. But if Benitez was half as good as you make him out to be he could keep us as a top four side without big net spends for a couple of years. It's clear from last summer that he simply isn't capable of doing that. There are always bargains to be had, we've just got to find them. I personally think Benitez (in both the transfer market, and team selections) is better when he has less choice. He had £40m to play with last summer and bought poorly. Now he has fuck all to play with and he could actually land us a decent wide option for the first time since he arrived here.
Granted Arsenal have won nothing for years, neither have we, but we've outspent them considerably in the transfer market for the same amount of success. It's money for nothing essentially.
we have reached a point where we need to have a negative spend, Arsenal don't need to do that. Wenger does it by choice and from the benefit of being safely ensconced (i.e bullet proof job security).
Are you really defending this practice Rosco, i.e the selling of players and not replacing them, as a way of running LFC? Because I assure you the outcome is the club going backwards and everything being undone.
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Regardless of whether he does it by choice (which quite frankly is bullshit, since one of Arsenal's investors last year tried to begin a rights issue to give Wenger cash to compete with the other top clubs) , the simple fact of the matter is you can make your team better without huge sums of cash if you've got an eye for a good player on the up and can sell your own players when they reach their peak value and are no longer going to be able to sustain their level of performance. Wenger is excellent at it.
I'm not saying it's easy, because it certainly isn't. But if Benitez was half as good as you make him out to be he could keep us as a top four side without big net spends for a couple of years. It's clear from last summer that he simply isn't capable of doing that. There are always bargains to be had, we've just got to find them. I personally think Benitez (in both the transfer market, and team selections) is better when he has less choice. He had £40m to play with last summer and bought poorly. Now he has fuck all to play with and he could actually land us a decent wide option for the first time since he arrived here.
Granted Arsenal have won nothing for years, neither have we, but we've outspent them considerably in the transfer market for the same amount of success. It's money for nothing essentially.
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027481#msg1027481 date=1262734213]
He can't generate transfer funds, those funds are being appropriated by the owners, cf. Robbie Keane and read the article I posted
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The article is supposition and speculation so we'll see. In any case Rafa appears to have known about this and went along with it so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Rafa wants to bring the title no matter what but its based on longer term progression so we need to be patient.
He can't generate transfer funds, those funds are being appropriated by the owners, cf. Robbie Keane and read the article I posted
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The article is supposition and speculation so we'll see. In any case Rafa appears to have known about this and went along with it so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Rafa wants to bring the title no matter what but its based on longer term progression so we need to be patient.
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027481#msg1027481 date=1262734213]
He can't generate transfer funds, those funds are being appropriated by the owners, cf. Robbie Keane and read the article I posted
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The article is supposition and speculation so we'll see. In any case Rafa appears to have known about this and went along with it so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Rafa wants to bring the title no matter what but its based on longer term progression so we need to be patient.
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He didn't know about this as most of the restrictions came in the summer. Remember he thought he could bring in another player for £15m or so but that changed when RBS demanded a repayment. I suspect the situation has changed and IS changing all the time. It seems Benitez IS going along with it as he hasn't resigned (yet) but he may well change his mind or he may get fed up of the two lying twats he works for
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027481#msg1027481 date=1262734213]
He can't generate transfer funds, those funds are being appropriated by the owners, cf. Robbie Keane and read the article I posted
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The article is supposition and speculation so we'll see. In any case Rafa appears to have known about this and went along with it so it will be interesting to see how it goes. Rafa wants to bring the title no matter what but its based on longer term progression so we need to be patient.
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He didn't know about this as most of the restrictions came in the summer. Remember he thought he could bring in another player for £15m or so but that changed when RBS demanded a repayment. I suspect the situation has changed and IS changing all the time. It seems Benitez IS going along with it as he hasn't resigned (yet) but he may well change his mind or he may get fed up of the two lying twats he works for
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=38291.msg1027483#msg1027483 date=1262734244]
The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.
I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.
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hahahaha. poor the planet hahahhaaaaa
The universe is infinite with infinite possibilities and realities so somewhere on a distant planet they've invented a machine that can see across the myriad galaxies into the stars and planetary systems... but for reasons unknown to us, this machine can't see light, heat, mass or volume, only twattiness.
To the beings of that distant planet, the signals from rebel23's brain are so strong that all other twattiness in the universe is effectively being obscured and blocked. Right now, the senior ledership of the planet are even discussing dismantling their machine, even though its construction has taken generations and used up most of their planet's meagre resources.
I hope you're fucking happy rebel23.
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hahahaha. poor the planet hahahhaaaaa
Maureen is in the press every other day saying he would come back to England if offered the chance.
He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.
Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.
He won't go to any of the Scum, City, the Chavs or The Arse so where the fuck do you think he's talking about you clueless cunt.
Maureen would have a great nucleus of a team, it's not like he's taking over Souness' Liverpool.
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027462#msg1027462 date=1262732847]
we have reached a point where we need to have a negative spend, Arsenal don't need to do that. Wenger does it by choice and from the benefit of being safely ensconced (i.e bullet proof job security).
Are you really defending this practice Rosco, i.e the selling of players and not replacing them, as a way of running LFC? Because I assure you the outcome is the club going backwards and everything being undone.
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Regardless of whether he does it by choice (which quite frankly is bullshit, since one of Arsenal's investors last year tried to begin a rights issue to give Wenger cash to compete with the other top clubs) , the simple fact of the matter is you can make your team better without huge sums of cash if you've got an eye for a good player on the up and can sell your own players when they reach their peak value and are no longer going to be able to sustain their level of performance. Wenger is excellent at it.
I'm not saying it's easy, because it certainly isn't. But if Benitez was half as good as you make him out to be he could keep us as a top four side without big net spends for a couple of years. It's clear from last summer that he simply isn't capable of doing that. There are always bargains to be had, we've just got to find them. I personally think Benitez (in both the transfer market, and team selections) is better when he has less choice. He had £40m to play with last summer and bought poorly. Now he has fuck all to play with and he could actually land us a decent wide option for the first time since he arrived here.
Granted Arsenal have won nothing for years, neither have we, but we've outspent them considerably in the transfer market for the same amount of success. It's money for nothing essentially.
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So what you want is to sack Benitez and hire a manager who's also a transfer market genius and can operate with ZERO funds. I think you need to realise that it's incredibly difficult and even more difficult now with City's unlimited spending to operate this sort of policy. Wenger is unique and has been in full control of his club for 10 years, Benitez only got the control he wanted and which Wenger has enjoyed for a decade after signing his new contract.
No top manager would want the Liverpool job with the conditions we're currently aware of. If they want Benitez to be a Wenger they need to promise him bullet proof job security which he sort of has with his new contract but also the restrictions they're placing on him go further than what happens at Arsenal, Arsenal also have a higher wage bill and a 60,000 seater stadium so their future looks a lot brighter
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027462#msg1027462 date=1262732847]
we have reached a point where we need to have a negative spend, Arsenal don't need to do that. Wenger does it by choice and from the benefit of being safely ensconced (i.e bullet proof job security).
Are you really defending this practice Rosco, i.e the selling of players and not replacing them, as a way of running LFC? Because I assure you the outcome is the club going backwards and everything being undone.
[/quote]
Regardless of whether he does it by choice (which quite frankly is bullshit, since one of Arsenal's investors last year tried to begin a rights issue to give Wenger cash to compete with the other top clubs) , the simple fact of the matter is you can make your team better without huge sums of cash if you've got an eye for a good player on the up and can sell your own players when they reach their peak value and are no longer going to be able to sustain their level of performance. Wenger is excellent at it.
I'm not saying it's easy, because it certainly isn't. But if Benitez was half as good as you make him out to be he could keep us as a top four side without big net spends for a couple of years. It's clear from last summer that he simply isn't capable of doing that. There are always bargains to be had, we've just got to find them. I personally think Benitez (in both the transfer market, and team selections) is better when he has less choice. He had £40m to play with last summer and bought poorly. Now he has fuck all to play with and he could actually land us a decent wide option for the first time since he arrived here.
Granted Arsenal have won nothing for years, neither have we, but we've outspent them considerably in the transfer market for the same amount of success. It's money for nothing essentially.
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So what you want is to sack Benitez and hire a manager who's also a transfer market genius and can operate with ZERO funds. I think you need to realise that it's incredibly difficult and even more difficult now with City's unlimited spending to operate this sort of policy. Wenger is unique and has been in full control of his club for 10 years, Benitez only got the control he wanted and which Wenger has enjoyed for a decade after signing his new contract.
No top manager would want the Liverpool job with the conditions we're currently aware of. If they want Benitez to be a Wenger they need to promise him bullet proof job security which he sort of has with his new contract but also the restrictions they're placing on him go further than what happens at Arsenal, Arsenal also have a higher wage bill and a 60,000 seater stadium so their future looks a lot brighter
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