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The yanks are screwing us over again

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027385#msg1027385 date=1262730215]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027378#msg1027378 date=1262729964]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027372#msg1027372 date=1262729780]
Everybody knows we've got debt issues, they aren't pocketing the money (yet)
[/quote]

they're not making it available to re-invest in the team, a stupid and ridiculous short sighted move that will see us become less competitive

what they're saying is we can't ever buy another player again, we must always go for free players and if we have to sell a player the manager wont see that money.

All because we have enormous debts for the pleasure of being owned by 2 cunts.

But everything is Benitez's fault of course.

[/quote]

Stupid and shortsighted would be going out and splashing out tens of millions of pounds (particularly with Rafa in charge) following a financial year where you lost £36m. Mind you he still spent £40m (on the wrong players)

Yes Rebel, we'll never ever buy another player again. Never.

I think most people understand we're reigning in spending because we simply have to for the club to survive.
[/quote]

No, we have to because of the 2 cunts interest payments for the pleasure of being owned by them. IF we continue to sell players and not re-invest it into the team we will not have much of a team left, that is the simple fact. WE are being run into the ground, literally.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027385#msg1027385 date=1262730215]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027378#msg1027378 date=1262729964]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027372#msg1027372 date=1262729780]
Everybody knows we've got debt issues, they aren't pocketing the money (yet)
[/quote]

they're not making it available to re-invest in the team, a stupid and ridiculous short sighted move that will see us become less competitive

what they're saying is we can't ever buy another player again, we must always go for free players and if we have to sell a player the manager wont see that money.

All because we have enormous debts for the pleasure of being owned by 2 cunts.

But everything is Benitez's fault of course.

[/quote]

Stupid and shortsighted would be going out and splashing out tens of millions of pounds (particularly with Rafa in charge) following a financial year where you lost £36m. Mind you he still spent £40m (on the wrong players)

Yes Rebel, we'll never ever buy another player again. Never.

I think most people understand we're reigning in spending because we simply have to for the club to survive.
[/quote]

but it's harder to stomach when they bought the club with debt and we have to piss a minimum of 30 mill a year away, just so they can own us.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38291.msg1027394#msg1027394 date=1262730372]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027385#msg1027385 date=1262730215]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027378#msg1027378 date=1262729964]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027372#msg1027372 date=1262729780]
Everybody knows we've got debt issues, they aren't pocketing the money (yet)
[/quote]

they're not making it available to re-invest in the team, a stupid and ridiculous short sighted move that will see us become less competitive

what they're saying is we can't ever buy another player again, we must always go for free players and if we have to sell a player the manager wont see that money.

All because we have enormous debts for the pleasure of being owned by 2 cunts.

But everything is Benitez's fault of course.

[/quote]

Stupid and shortsighted would be going out and splashing out tens of millions of pounds (particularly with Rafa in charge) following a financial year where you lost £36m. Mind you he still spent £40m (on the wrong players)

Yes Rebel, we'll never ever buy another player again. Never.

I think most people understand we're reigning in spending because we simply have to for the club to survive.
[/quote]

but it's harder to stomach when they bought the club with debt and we have to piss a minimum of 30 mill a year away, just so they can own us.

[/quote]

Definitely.

But both of the possible takeover options were leverage buyouts. So the only way we wouldn't have been paying off interest on owners loans would have been if Moores had stayed on.

And that was never going to happen.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38291.msg1027396#msg1027396 date=1262730401]
Why did we lose £36m?
[/quote]

Bad eyesight. Really big sofa
 
So, because it's in the Times its true? I think its bollocks. If he generates money by sales, he can spend a percentage of it. If not, he wouldnt have trimmed the squad of its dross.

He wants a striker and a right midfielder. There will be one more signing.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027398#msg1027398 date=1262730494]
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38291.msg1027394#msg1027394 date=1262730372]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027385#msg1027385 date=1262730215]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027378#msg1027378 date=1262729964]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027372#msg1027372 date=1262729780]
Everybody knows we've got debt issues, they aren't pocketing the money (yet)
[/quote]

they're not making it available to re-invest in the team, a stupid and ridiculous short sighted move that will see us become less competitive

what they're saying is we can't ever buy another player again, we must always go for free players and if we have to sell a player the manager wont see that money.

All because we have enormous debts for the pleasure of being owned by 2 cunts.

But everything is Benitez's fault of course.

[/quote]

Stupid and shortsighted would be going out and splashing out tens of millions of pounds (particularly with Rafa in charge) following a financial year where you lost £36m. Mind you he still spent £40m (on the wrong players)

Yes Rebel, we'll never ever buy another player again. Never.

I think most people understand we're reigning in spending because we simply have to for the club to survive.
[/quote]

but it's harder to stomach when they bought the club with debt and we have to piss a minimum of 30 mill a year away, just so they can own us.

[/quote]

Definitely.

But both of the possible takeover options were leverage buyouts. So the only way we wouldn't have been paying off interest on owners loans would have been if Moores had stayed on.

And that was never going to happen.
[/quote]

'sigh'

i have wondered whether we'd have been better off with moores for a few more years, but i'm not sure he would have delivered torres.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027399#msg1027399 date=1262730527]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=38291.msg1027396#msg1027396 date=1262730401]
Why did we lose £36m?
[/quote]

Bad eyesight. Really big sofa
[/quote]

Ha.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Wenger managed it.

Fergie is doing it now.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem.

[/quote]

Brendan has pointed out quite clearly why he's a problem. Not the only problem but a problem nontheless. You refuse to accept or even counter it. You disagree with me. I disagree with you. I'm not going to spend the next 2 hours going round and round in circles. Bye.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027404#msg1027404 date=1262730628]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Wenger managed it.

Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]

Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Well he knows where to go. Do what he did at Valencia. But he wont get a penny. Maybe that wouldnt be such a bad thing............
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027406#msg1027406 date=1262730759]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027404#msg1027404 date=1262730628]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Wenger managed it.

Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]

Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]

Net spend of minus £26m in the last five and half years.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027406#msg1027406 date=1262730759]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027404#msg1027404 date=1262730628]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Wenger managed it.

Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]

Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]

now you're talking shit.

wenger is well below even in net spend.
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027406#msg1027406 date=1262730759]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027404#msg1027404 date=1262730628]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Wenger managed it.

Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]

Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]

Aquilani 20 million

Johnson 18 million.

You're a wind up merchant

Really. Bye.
 
Wenger does it mostly by choice, he decides to sell the players like Adebayor to City if he wants to and he gets to spend the proceeds. If we sold Torres they wouldnt even let us spend the proceeds!

If Wenger wants to he can sign a defender for £10m tomorrow, Liverpool can't. He signed Arshavin 12 months ago when behind 4th place, a net spend in the window of £15m. we wont be able to do that
 
Can't we have one giant thread titles net and gross spend?

People could go back to it every month or so with graphs, pie charts etc to make the same points that have been made a thousand times.

Ross is right though 😉
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=38291.msg1027412#msg1027412 date=1262730967]
the desperation of the examples, as well....
vermaalen....... a whopping 10 mill.
[/quote]

That's more than we've ever spent on a CB
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027406#msg1027406 date=1262730759]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=38291.msg1027404#msg1027404 date=1262730628]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027395#msg1027395 date=1262730390]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Wenger managed it.

Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]

Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]

Aquilani 20 million

Johnson 18 million.

You're a wind up merchant

Really. Bye.
[/quote]

those were because we SOLD Alonso in the summer and were effectively one out, one in.

But it now seems we have reached a point where he can't even spend the proceeds of sales, that's the point
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027354#msg1027354 date=1262729351]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027352#msg1027352 date=1262729214]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027347#msg1027347 date=1262729172]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=38291.msg1027342#msg1027342 date=1262729034]
It might make him think twice about buying shit, unecessary or injured players. I'm all for it.
[/quote]

we need a striker and other players and now they wont let us spend money we raise from sales, it's a fucking disgrace
[/quote]

I wouldn't give him any cash either. He's fucking shite at spending it wisely.
[/quote]

Yeah that Fernando Torres bought for £20m now worth £80m, he's fucking shite. That shite player Reina signed for £6m, total shite
[/quote]

He's bought more shite than good.
[/quote]

No he hasn't, as I said Torres is worth £80m sell him tomorrow and Benitez has spent fuck all on a net basis and pays for any mistakes. Reina, the same. the squad is worth hundreds of millions of pounds, which wouldn't be the case if he had truly signed total shite as you claim. Instead, you''d rather stand with the owners as they STEAL another £15m out of the club and condemn us to look for freebies, which no doubt you will slate Benitez for signing
[/quote]

Quite simply one of your best ever posts.
 
So basically Moores sold us to the highest bidder and in turn G&H then lied (shocka) and saddled us with £250m of debt, which now leaves us completely in the shite?
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027386#msg1027386 date=1262730223]
Sheik are you really oblivious to what is happening? my god... do you really think Benitez is the problem at Liverpool
[/quote]

He's one of them Rebel.
[/quote]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Wenger managed it.

Fergie is doing it now.
[/quote]

Wenger does it mostly by choice, he can still spend big money when he wants to I.E ARSHAVIN £15M, VERMALEN £10M
[/quote]

Aquilani 20 million

Johnson 18 million.

You're a wind up merchant

Really. Bye.
[/quote]

those were because we SOLD Alonso in the summer and were effectively one out, one in.

But it now seems we have reached a point where he can't even spend the proceeds of sales, that's the point

[/quote]

And Wenger sold nobody last summer ?
 
And these owners who are apparently screwing the club for every penny they can and leaving poor little Benitez all impoverished still let him sack and pay off half the coaching staff and bring in highly paid replacements didn't they?

By the way its nice to know you are so well informed about what happens behind the scenes at Arsenal rebel. If only you knew as much about Liverpool
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38291.msg1027401#msg1027401 date=1262730574]

no he isn't, he is the least of the problem. he is being asked to do what NO OTHER manager is being asked to do. Whoever it was would be struggling

I am frankly amazed he puts up with it. He must hope like we do that the ownership changes because we will never move forward being run like this WHOEVER THE MANAGER IS and no doubt if it wasn't Benitez and it was someone else you'd be slagging them off too. Quite sad really.


[/quote]

Well he knows where to go. Do what he did at Valencia. But he wont get a penny. Maybe that wouldnt be such a bad thing............
[/quote]

Yeah it wont be such a bad thing when he goes and then what? we're left with Alan Curbishley and our players leaving with the money paying off debts, then what? relegation probably

I can't wait. Benitez out
 
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