Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)
I never realized you were a racist too Single ...
I never realized you were a racist too Single ...
The Suarez/Evra Racism Row
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Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)
Yeah, but mine's more in just a sort of culturally superior way, know what I mean?
Yeah, but mine's more in just a sort of culturally superior way, know what I mean?
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1451514#msg1451514 date=1325172010]
I never realized you were a racist too Single ...[/quote]
FFS this is pathetic.[/quote]
I'm only joking mate ... I know single isn't like that.
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=48021.msg1451519#msg1451519 date=1325172341]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48021.msg1451514#msg1451514 date=1325172010]
I never realized you were a racist too Single ...[/quote]
FFS this is pathetic.[/quote]
I'm only joking mate ... I know single isn't like that.
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)
Fuckin A
Fuckin A
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)
“@TonyEvansTimes: A year ago today, most of you would have gone to way for Torres. Month or so later he was 'ladyboy.' in 2 years Suarez will prob be gone”
“@TonyEvansTimes: But the stain on integrity of club will take much longer to go.”
“@TonyEvansTimes: A year ago today, most of you would have gone to way for Torres. Month or so later he was 'ladyboy.' in 2 years Suarez will prob be gone”
“@TonyEvansTimes: But the stain on integrity of club will take much longer to go.”
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Yo A - I was wondering what else Suarez got up to (You alluded to it in another thread) bar the famous Tyson incident?
It sucks that we've destroyed the club's name eh? Sheesh, maybe we can learn from the Mancs after all!
Yo A - I was wondering what else Suarez got up to (You alluded to it in another thread) bar the famous Tyson incident?
It sucks that we've destroyed the club's name eh? Sheesh, maybe we can learn from the Mancs after all!
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The hand ball was with Uruguay - and you can't fault him for that ... Biting was terrible stuff.
I don't think it's as bad as being made out by this man ... We've been far far lower, but I think - overall, we're doing the right thing.
Btw, I think his line re: torres is bullshit. Most of has had started turning on him before he left (Remember Ryan calling him out game after game?)
The hand ball was with Uruguay - and you can't fault him for that ... Biting was terrible stuff.
I don't think it's as bad as being made out by this man ... We've been far far lower, but I think - overall, we're doing the right thing.
Btw, I think his line re: torres is bullshit. Most of has had started turning on him before he left (Remember Ryan calling him out game after game?)
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It's actually been noticeable to me how little those other things have been mentioned up till now. Even in newspaper articles going into all this sorry business they've only been mentioned in passing.
As for the club's reputation, that's far more likely to be damaged by this idiot Evans giving our critics ammunition than it is by anything the club itself has done. Whatever view one takes of Suarez' actions, the club is totally within its rights to appeal (even the FA panel's own findings say so) and nothing the club has done has gone beyond that, as Kenny himself has already said. Which one do I think has got it right, Evans or Kenny? Tough choice. Not.
It's actually been noticeable to me how little those other things have been mentioned up till now. Even in newspaper articles going into all this sorry business they've only been mentioned in passing.
As for the club's reputation, that's far more likely to be damaged by this idiot Evans giving our critics ammunition than it is by anything the club itself has done. Whatever view one takes of Suarez' actions, the club is totally within its rights to appeal (even the FA panel's own findings say so) and nothing the club has done has gone beyond that, as Kenny himself has already said. Which one do I think has got it right, Evans or Kenny? Tough choice. Not.
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I think the club's reputation will be damaged somewhat if it is seen to dispute the verdict and not do anything about it. Now that we have clearly disputed it, I fear we either have to retract/change position, or carry the fight forward through whatever means at our disposal.
I think the club's reputation will be damaged somewhat if it is seen to dispute the verdict and not do anything about it. Now that we have clearly disputed it, I fear we either have to retract/change position, or carry the fight forward through whatever means at our disposal.
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[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48021.msg1451612#msg1451612 date=1325183755]
“@TonyEvansTimes: A year ago today, most of you would have gone to way for Torres. Month or so later he was 'ladyboy.' in 2 years Suarez will prob be gone”
“@TonyEvansTimes: But the stain on integrity of club will take much longer to go.”
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Gone to way? A little help? As for the second tweet, fucking hell. If I ever knowingly did things so as to have other people see them as right, rather than doing things which were inherently right..... then I'd hear optimus prime's voice in my head telling me to stop being a cunt. But obviously tony evans has no problem with that.... Luis Suarez? Oh fuck him, as long as the club gets what it wants and is seen to act with integrity.... real nice
[quote author=Atlas link=topic=48021.msg1451612#msg1451612 date=1325183755]
“@TonyEvansTimes: A year ago today, most of you would have gone to way for Torres. Month or so later he was 'ladyboy.' in 2 years Suarez will prob be gone”
“@TonyEvansTimes: But the stain on integrity of club will take much longer to go.”
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Gone to way? A little help? As for the second tweet, fucking hell. If I ever knowingly did things so as to have other people see them as right, rather than doing things which were inherently right..... then I'd hear optimus prime's voice in my head telling me to stop being a cunt. But obviously tony evans has no problem with that.... Luis Suarez? Oh fuck him, as long as the club gets what it wants and is seen to act with integrity.... real nice
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Except that the club's standing with Luis Suarez, so he's got to claim that the club's wrong, Kenny's wrong and he's right. Pillock deserves every bit of stick he's been getting, and more besides.
Except that the club's standing with Luis Suarez, so he's got to claim that the club's wrong, Kenny's wrong and he's right. Pillock deserves every bit of stick he's been getting, and more besides.
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Also he doesn't know what he's talking about, or understand anything about the case at all. He's just kind of opened his mouth anyway and let words come out on the basis of "they sound as though they are right". It reminds me of multiple choice exams. poor tony hasn't done his revision, so sits there with a stupid blank expression on his face, and tries to work out which answers sound right. A, B, C or D. every now and then looking over at his mate oliver holt to copy his answers (which are equally dumb)
Also he doesn't know what he's talking about, or understand anything about the case at all. He's just kind of opened his mouth anyway and let words come out on the basis of "they sound as though they are right". It reminds me of multiple choice exams. poor tony hasn't done his revision, so sits there with a stupid blank expression on his face, and tries to work out which answers sound right. A, B, C or D. every now and then looking over at his mate oliver holt to copy his answers (which are equally dumb)
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48021.msg1451414#msg1451414 date=1325162440]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=48021.msg1451313#msg1451313 date=1325116747]
Basically it's fucking bollocks, because had it been an English player such as Rooney, Beckham or Lampard then fuck all would have been made of it, and the fact that they've tried to downplay Terry calling Anton Ferdinand a black cunt, which is far less ambiguous and leaves virtually nothing to debate just goes to prove that.
It's fucking bollocks and the FA have essentially undermined the whole anti-racism campaign by demonstrating that if you're English and a media darling then you'll be looked after.
Suarez, because of who he is and his previous (and because he's not English) has been hung out to dry.
It's a load of shite
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They haven't made a ruling on Terry yet. I'd wait and see what happens before ranting and raving about it.
I cannot see how they can impose a lesser ban on Terry.
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You would think so, and yet they've already revealed their hand purely through the quotes that have come out about it - the guy from Kick It Out lashing Suarez and yet saying he was disappointed about the fuss made over Terry.
If they do hit Terry with an equal ban (which I'm doubtful of, and which if anything should be worse) then it'll be because they know they've set a precedent they cannot go back on, but the very fact that Terry has been publicly defended whereas Suarez has been publicly vilified makes an utter mockery of the entire process.
Perhaps it may have been remotely understandable had Terry been an upstanding clean cut kind of guy, because then it's 'nice guy Terry' vs 'ear chewing, handballing Suarez' - but he's not even that, he's a wife-fucking twat that has been caught on camera calling someone a black cunt, and yet somehow the club should be ashamed of coming out in support of Suarez when there have been people lining up to come out in support of "I've known you a long time, you're not a racist, are you John?" Terry.
Like I said - it's fucking bollocks
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I have to point out that that is wrong. The guy from kickitout said it was a sad day for football that Chelsea were backing Terry.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=48021.msg1451414#msg1451414 date=1325162440]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=48021.msg1451313#msg1451313 date=1325116747]
Basically it's fucking bollocks, because had it been an English player such as Rooney, Beckham or Lampard then fuck all would have been made of it, and the fact that they've tried to downplay Terry calling Anton Ferdinand a black cunt, which is far less ambiguous and leaves virtually nothing to debate just goes to prove that.
It's fucking bollocks and the FA have essentially undermined the whole anti-racism campaign by demonstrating that if you're English and a media darling then you'll be looked after.
Suarez, because of who he is and his previous (and because he's not English) has been hung out to dry.
It's a load of shite
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They haven't made a ruling on Terry yet. I'd wait and see what happens before ranting and raving about it.
I cannot see how they can impose a lesser ban on Terry.
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You would think so, and yet they've already revealed their hand purely through the quotes that have come out about it - the guy from Kick It Out lashing Suarez and yet saying he was disappointed about the fuss made over Terry.
If they do hit Terry with an equal ban (which I'm doubtful of, and which if anything should be worse) then it'll be because they know they've set a precedent they cannot go back on, but the very fact that Terry has been publicly defended whereas Suarez has been publicly vilified makes an utter mockery of the entire process.
Perhaps it may have been remotely understandable had Terry been an upstanding clean cut kind of guy, because then it's 'nice guy Terry' vs 'ear chewing, handballing Suarez' - but he's not even that, he's a wife-fucking twat that has been caught on camera calling someone a black cunt, and yet somehow the club should be ashamed of coming out in support of Suarez when there have been people lining up to come out in support of "I've known you a long time, you're not a racist, are you John?" Terry.
Like I said - it's fucking bollocks
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I have to point out that that is wrong. The guy from kickitout said it was a sad day for football that Chelsea were backing Terry.
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I thought the head bod said something about being surprised and disappointed action was being taken against him?
I thought the head bod said something about being surprised and disappointed action was being taken against him?
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I thought the head bod said something about being surprised and disappointed action was being taken against him?
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No he didnt. Somebody posted that on here but it wasnt true.
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=48021.msg1451679#msg1451679 date=1325199176]
I thought the head bod said something about being surprised and disappointed action was being taken against him?
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No he didnt. Somebody posted that on here but it wasnt true.
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Ah, well. That changes things I guess.
The media are still a bunch of hypocritical fuckwits though
Ah, well. That changes things I guess.
The media are still a bunch of hypocritical fuckwits though
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I fully agree
I fully agree
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I posted those quotes. It was copy/pasted from the BBC, but it appears (surprise, surprise) that his words was twisted about. Doesn't mean we can't still be paranoid though. The media loves getting a rise out of scousers, as it guarantees mass clickage.
I posted those quotes. It was copy/pasted from the BBC, but it appears (surprise, surprise) that his words was twisted about. Doesn't mean we can't still be paranoid though. The media loves getting a rise out of scousers, as it guarantees mass clickage.
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What avenues are open to us on the assumption that an appeal fails?
What avenues are open to us on the assumption that an appeal fails?
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48021.msg1451689#msg1451689 date=1325200759]
What avenues are open to us on the assumption that an appeal fails?
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There is the court of arbitration for sport which would be the one the FA will "suggest" to us in their letter should we be unhappy with the outcome of the appeal. That road will lead to little monetary gain. They will just overturn the decision and give recommendations on the FA for future reference.
But there's also a judicial review which is heard by a branch of the high court. This is fine for taking a university to court because they are public institution. I'm not sure whether the FA qualify as a public body. They are a limited company. You'd have to argue that they govern a public sport, or fulfill some public duty. I don't know. But with a judicial review, they basically look at the legality of a decision taken by a public body. And there are set grounds on which it considers it. For example in a university you cannot challenge or appeal on something that relates to academic judgement (i.e. my grade should have been higher). But the court will consider if the decision was made correctly according to the rules, if it was reasonable for any reasonable person to arrive at that decision based on the evidence, and if it followed the rules of natural justice. Shit like that. So if the decision is found to be illegal, then we would be awarded some damages. And also they will recommend the FA do things differently in future, or change their rules and procedures.
The best route would be to go straight to the high court, and claim damages for defamation and all that american style cuntish shit. That will have the maximum monetary benefit for us. But most likely in that case the FA will settle with us out of court, and issue a public apology to luis suarez.
The problem is all of the above takes time. The delay the FA are having over the written reasons is the norm. Then the response will be bullshit. We'll have to jump through more hoops during the appeal. Frustrating, tiresome, depresssing never-ending drawn-out bullshit. This happens because good people quit. They don't see it through. Hardly ever at least. What the club should do is get a really nasty cunt to take over this case on their behalf. Someone like me who will see it through, will never ever quit, will absolutely not stop until the last drop of blood has been spilled.
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48021.msg1451689#msg1451689 date=1325200759]
What avenues are open to us on the assumption that an appeal fails?
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There is the court of arbitration for sport which would be the one the FA will "suggest" to us in their letter should we be unhappy with the outcome of the appeal. That road will lead to little monetary gain. They will just overturn the decision and give recommendations on the FA for future reference.
But there's also a judicial review which is heard by a branch of the high court. This is fine for taking a university to court because they are public institution. I'm not sure whether the FA qualify as a public body. They are a limited company. You'd have to argue that they govern a public sport, or fulfill some public duty. I don't know. But with a judicial review, they basically look at the legality of a decision taken by a public body. And there are set grounds on which it considers it. For example in a university you cannot challenge or appeal on something that relates to academic judgement (i.e. my grade should have been higher). But the court will consider if the decision was made correctly according to the rules, if it was reasonable for any reasonable person to arrive at that decision based on the evidence, and if it followed the rules of natural justice. Shit like that. So if the decision is found to be illegal, then we would be awarded some damages. And also they will recommend the FA do things differently in future, or change their rules and procedures.
The best route would be to go straight to the high court, and claim damages for defamation and all that american style cuntish shit. That will have the maximum monetary benefit for us. But most likely in that case the FA will settle with us out of court, and issue a public apology to luis suarez.
The problem is all of the above takes time. The delay the FA are having over the written reasons is the norm. Then the response will be bullshit. We'll have to jump through more hoops during the appeal. Frustrating, tiresome, depresssing never-ending drawn-out bullshit. This happens because good people quit. They don't see it through. Hardly ever at least. What the club should do is get a really nasty cunt to take over this case on their behalf. Someone like me who will see it through, will never ever quit, will absolutely not stop until the last drop of blood has been spilled.
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So unless we hire yourself Dantes, we're fucked.
Is there something about being suspended from all competitions if we appeal to the CAS? Isnt there something going on like that with the Swiss club who were expelled from the CL or the Europa League?
So unless we hire yourself Dantes, we're fucked.
Is there something about being suspended from all competitions if we appeal to the CAS? Isnt there something going on like that with the Swiss club who were expelled from the CL or the Europa League?
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48021.msg1451700#msg1451700 date=1325203534]
So unless we hire yourself Dantes, we're fucked.
Is there something about being suspended from all competitions if we appeal to the CAS? Isnt there something going on like that with the Swiss club who were expelled from the CL or the Europa League?
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Who knows, Suarez has demonstrated a bit of blood-lust in the past so he might stay the course. No we don't get suspended from all competitions that would be crazy. That swiss club is totally different. They lost their appeal to CAS and then issued criminal proceedings against the cunts at FIFA. And then continued to disobey the sactions FIFA imposed. So for some reason, FIFA then threatened to suspend every single swiss club over this.
The only way that could happen to us was if we lose our appeal, but continue to play suarez anyway in defiance of the ban. So then the FA would suspend us from all competitions before slipping off to have intercourse with each other in celebration
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48021.msg1451700#msg1451700 date=1325203534]
So unless we hire yourself Dantes, we're fucked.
Is there something about being suspended from all competitions if we appeal to the CAS? Isnt there something going on like that with the Swiss club who were expelled from the CL or the Europa League?
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Who knows, Suarez has demonstrated a bit of blood-lust in the past so he might stay the course. No we don't get suspended from all competitions that would be crazy. That swiss club is totally different. They lost their appeal to CAS and then issued criminal proceedings against the cunts at FIFA. And then continued to disobey the sactions FIFA imposed. So for some reason, FIFA then threatened to suspend every single swiss club over this.
The only way that could happen to us was if we lose our appeal, but continue to play suarez anyway in defiance of the ban. So then the FA would suspend us from all competitions before slipping off to have intercourse with each other in celebration
Re: The Suarez/Evra Racism Row (continued)
The most likely scenario is that we appeal with the FA and get the ban reduced, because the FA won't want to have to hit Terry with a similarly long ban just prior to the European Championships. We know what happened the last time they had an England Captain up on disciplinary charges (Shearer , for kicking Lennon in the head) - and they won't be able to let Terry walk if he's found guilty in Court.
It'll be interesting to see the timing of any appeal by Suarez, if it comes after Terry's Court case and he's found guilty (which I think he will be) then - you can be certain the ban will be reduced.
I see Dantes is a legal expert now too.
The most likely scenario is that we appeal with the FA and get the ban reduced, because the FA won't want to have to hit Terry with a similarly long ban just prior to the European Championships. We know what happened the last time they had an England Captain up on disciplinary charges (Shearer , for kicking Lennon in the head) - and they won't be able to let Terry walk if he's found guilty in Court.
It'll be interesting to see the timing of any appeal by Suarez, if it comes after Terry's Court case and he's found guilty (which I think he will be) then - you can be certain the ban will be reduced.
I see Dantes is a legal expert now too.
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