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The scientific reason you are gay !!

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There is a HUGE basis for homosexuality/bisexuality in the scientific literature. Anyone with a fucking ounce of patience can go find it on pubmed or any other scientific literature search. If you want stuff geared more towards a lay audience, then read Sperm Wars: The Science of Sex by Robin Baker, and read more about evolutionary psychology, namely David Buss, Leda Cosmides, and maybe even a bit of Steven Pinker. Shit, this article just published recently has plenty of studies to support its suppositions:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=bisexual-species
 
Philosophically, using animal studies as a basis is flawed: (Richard Umbers, who lectures in philosophy in Sydney)

Due to our rational nature comparisons with non-rational animals collapse at the level of interpersonal relationships. Even at the level of biology, human rationality must be taken into consideration. Humans choose to follow hormonally fuelled drives; sheep have no choice about it. Those who choose to use animal behaviour studies are on shaky philosophical ground if they want to use animals as human role models.

Even in Genetic, there is still no certainty whether genes influence sexual preference:

Dr. Francis S. Collins (MD and PhD) head of The Human Genome Project has said:
There is an inescapable component of heritability to many human behavioral traits. For virtually
none of them is heredity ever close to predictive…An area of particularly strong public interest is
the genetic basis of homosexuality. Evidence [indicates] that sexual orientation is genetically
influenced but not hardwired by DNA, and that whatever genes are involved represent
predispositions, not predeterminations. (2006)

Personally, we still do not know the answer for certain why some are predisposed to homosexuality. I think it is a choice one makes. That means change is possible if one wants to. Nobody is trapped by their choice, be it heterosexuality, bisexuality or homosexuality.
 
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Personally, we still do not know the answer for certain why some are predisposed to homosexuality. I think it is a choice one makes. That means change is possible if one wants to. Nobody is trapped by their choice, be it heterosexuality, bisexuality or homosexuality.
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Considering the social stigmas that are still attached to homosexuality I doubt anyone decides to be gay. It is not an easy path to tread and for the majority their lives would be easier in certain contexts if they conformed to the social norms of heterosexuality.
 
Well some people like to go against social norms. It is just their character to rebel. It is hard to conform until the period of rebellion is over.

Some people are addicted to certain thing. Sexuality might be one of them. It is hard to kick some habits even though one might want to.
 
If sexuality is a choice, do you think you could choose to be gay Y1... should the circumstances require it?
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=25523.msg630061#msg630061 date=1217213254]
Well some people like to go against social norms. It is just their character to rebel. It is hard to conform until the period of rebellion is over.

Some people are addicted to certain thing. Sexuality might be one of them. It is hard to kick some habits even though one might want to.
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Hmmmm..... I'm feeling particularly rebellious today. I think I'll go and fuck some fella up the arse. That'll show 'em!

As a matter of interest, how many gay people do you know?
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=25523.msg630125#msg630125 date=1217231610]
I know IM still trying to kick MY cock habit.
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It's like nicotine, ain't it? I mean, one moment of rebellion and you're hooked.

I might see if Jeremy Kyle can help.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=25523.msg630061#msg630061 date=1217213254]
Well some people like to go against social norms. It is just their character to rebel. It is hard to conform until the period of rebellion is over.

Some people are addicted to certain thing. Sexuality might be one of them. It is hard to kick some habits even though one might want to.
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Oh come on, sexuality is not determined because of some 'rebellious' phase one is going through. They have no more choice as to who they are attracted to than a heterosexual does.

So what do you say about the numerous gay men who married & had families before finally realising in middle age that they were lying to themselves and came out. Are they too just being rebellious?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=25523.msg630078#msg630078 date=1217226314]
If sexuality is a choice, do you think you could choose to be gay Y1... should the circumstances require it?
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I think we all go through phases in life. We (generalising I know) all had experimented with sex, be it same sex, masturbation (sex with self), preying sex (feeling of power in conquest), group sex (swing, threesome etc), sequential sex be it hetero or homo... ad infinitum. Some are plain boring one partner hetero sex. Many of us are addicted to one form of sex or another.

Mutual sexual satisfaction of the same sex is not uncommon during school days, especially for boarding schools, boys schools and girls schools. In fact prison is a very good example where same sex mutual or domination satisfcation exists.

Is it a choice? I think so, but for some the choice can become an addiction or a habit. Others choose to continue with it. Why? I do not know.

Human psychology is complex. And I am no expert. Just my two cents worth for the day.
 
Fox is, once again, the proud wearer of the maillot jaune in 6CM's Tour De Fuckwit.

Truly a special, special talet and a poster who can lay serious claim to being the thickest cunt EVER to post on this website
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=25523.msg630244#msg630244 date=1217240274]
Letallec; which 'brendan' thread caused someone to stop posting a few months ago?
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ha ha - the one about homosexuality - i didn't say it was you but it basically chased away poor Ali ...
 
I have no idea who Ali is, so it can't have been much of a loss.

As for this thread, well, for everyone who thought that I gave Foxwit a hard time unnecessarily...see? I'm *never* wrong.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=25523.msg630408#msg630408 date=1217247185]
Have you only just noticed this too? Slackers.
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I don't like homosexuality threads.... 😉
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=25523.msg630408#msg630408 date=1217247185]
Have you only just noticed this too? Slackers.
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I don't like homosexuality threads.... 😉
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TRANSLATION: "I'm repressed"
 
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=25523.msg630439#msg630439 date=1217248316]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=25523.msg630408#msg630408 date=1217247185]
Have you only just noticed this too? Slackers.
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I don't like homosexuality threads.... 😉
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TRANSLATION: "I'm repressed"
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Well it was you who turned me at Drinkies 1.
 
Fox's initial post really didn't deserve the responses it got, though he has as usual opted to dig himself deeper. You guys attack ad hominem on his ilk far too often. Though, to be fair, his topics are often like playing Russian roulette with four bullets chambered.

Y1's contribution is FAR more offensive, in my opinion, and has been virtually ignored.
 
How is it offensive when sexuality of any kind is not stated to be right or wrong?

My opinion that sexuality is a lifestyle choice rather being 'trapped' with some form of sexuality which one does not desire offers hope for those who desire change.

For those who choose or rather want to think they are born in one particular form of sexuality and are happy with it, fair enough. End of discussion.

However for those not comfortable with their own sexuality, whatever it is, discussion is on.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=25523.msg631130#msg631130 date=1217296135]
How is it offensive when sexuality of any kind is not stated to be right or wrong?

My opinion that sexuality is a lifestyle choice rather being 'trapped' with some form of sexuality which one does not desire offers hope for those who desire change.

For those who choose or rather want to think they are born in one particular form of sexuality and are happy with it, fair enough. End of discussion.

However for those not comfortable with their own sexuality, whatever it is, discussion is on.
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That's fine, you have elucidated your view quite nicely, but it is very easy for people to go from, sexuality is a choice --> homosexuality is a negative genetic fitness trait ---> therefore we can cure homosexuality. Think eugenics, and you might begin to understand why some people are offended by it, or how wrong it is (one philosophy professor in the world seems to agree with you; great.) But I'm not here to argue the logic and philosophy of science.

Carry on.
 
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=25523.msg631130#msg631130 date=1217296135]
How is it offensive when sexuality of any kind is not stated to be right or wrong?

My opinion that sexuality is a lifestyle choice rather being 'trapped' with some form of sexuality which one does not desire offers hope for those who desire change.

For those who choose or rather want to think they are born in one particular form of sexuality and are happy with it, fair enough. End of discussion.

However for those not comfortable with their own sexuality, whatever it is, discussion is on.
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You stated that homosexuality was a rebellious stage by those who were chosing not to confirm. That right there declares your thoughts on whether it is right or wrong.
 
I never touched on Eugenics, ie to improve mankind. I am talking about choices and hope and possible change for anyone who desires it. If one is happy as it is, fine.

For lack of space and time, only one 'expert' of each branch of science/thinking is quoted. I am not into the number game. I am sure you can quote many many more contrarilily.

If what I said have offended anyone, my appologies.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=25523.msg630108#msg630108 date=1217230294]
As a matter of interest, how many gay people do you know?
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Soory, I missed a whole lot of other posts and just looked back today. As a matter of fact I have a very good friend who says he is gay but remained happily married with a daughter. I have one staff who is gay. I know a few others who are openly gay.
 
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=25523.msg631130#msg631130 date=1217296135]
How is it offensive when sexuality of any kind is not stated to be right or wrong?

My opinion that sexuality is a lifestyle choice rather being 'trapped' with some form of sexuality which one does not desire offers hope for those who desire change.

For those who choose or rather want to think they are born in one particular form of sexuality and are happy with it, fair enough. End of discussion.

However for those not comfortable with their own sexuality, whatever it is, discussion is on.
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You stated that homosexuality was a rebellious stage by those who were chosing not to confirm. That right there declares your thoughts on whether it is right or wrong.
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It is an unfortunate allusion/illustration. I said we go through phases in life. Some people do not like to conform and will rebel against the strictures of social norm whatever it is. These social norms can be manners, etiquettes, behaviours, dress codes, speech, heirachy and structures etc etc. It is in answer to what I meant by social norm in general rather than your context of heterosexual social norm in particular.

My appologies if I have alluded to homosexuality being a form of rebellion.
 
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