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The Rags Today ... Rafa a Goner

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Most rags are saying that boardroom support for him has collapsed - and that he's most likely gone at season's end. Some are saying (despite what he said yesterday) that Torres will probably go too -

Oh well ... I think the future of this club as a contender rests on the shoulders of Tom & George. If they don't either sell or invest heavily, I see some dark times ahead for the club.
 
From NOTW

"With the Rhone Group having starting due diligence and new Liverpool owners on the horizon, there is a growing realisation at Anfield Benitez won't be the man to take the club forward."

Anyone know anything about these American billionaries from New York?
 
Rhone Group Lodge Takeover Bid Of Liverpool - Report
Liverpool have been subject to a takeover bid from the Rhone Group to dilute Tom Hicks and George Gillett's ownership at Anfield, according to the News of the World.
Mar 14, 2010 6:05:00 AM

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The New York-based private equity firm have reportedly set the ball rolling by lodging a £100 million bid in exchange for a 40 per cent stake in the club steeped in history.

This would see the controlling share pass on to billionaire financiers Robert Agostinelli and Steven Langman, as current owners Hicks and Gillett would be left with 30 per cent each.

It is believed that should the proposed deal reach fruition, the debt with the Royal Bank of Scotland would be repaid, and work would begin on the Reds' new stadium which is estimated to be worth about £350 million at Stanley Park.

Also, it is claimed that there will also be a substantial investment made in the transfer market during the summer, following the club's indifferent fortunes this term.

However, manager Rafael Benitez may not be the man to dabble in the funds, as he is reportedly pondering over quitting his job with one eye cast on Real Madrid after the Spanish capital club were ousted in the Champions League.
 
Rhône Group LLC operates as a boutique investment banking firm that offers financial advisory services. The firm offers mergers and acquisitions, strategic alliances, leveraged buyouts, recapitalizations, joint partnerships, and business valuation services. Its clientele include Nestle and Florida Crystals. Rhône was founded in 1995 and is based in New York, New York with additional offices in London, United Kingdom and Paris, France.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=1920714
 
No new owner will use Rafa after this season.

But I'll believe any change in ownership when I see it.
 
It's not a change in ownership, it's the 100m they were looking for plus keeping control of the club between them.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39287.msg1069078#msg1069078 date=1268561320]
It's not a change in ownership, it's the 100m they were looking for plus keeping control of the club between them.
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It's the least plausible of all possible outcomes, is what it is. And it's still a new owner in the mix.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39287.msg1069076#msg1069076 date=1268561040]
Rhône Group LLC operates as a boutique investment banking firm that offers financial advisory services. The firm offers mergers and acquisitions, strategic alliances, leveraged buyouts, recapitalizations, joint partnerships, and business valuation services. Its clientele include Nestle and Florida Crystals. Rhône was founded in 1995 and is based in New York, New York with additional offices in London, United Kingdom and Paris, France.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=1920714
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'Leveraged buyouts'

'Mergers & acquisitions'

Just the words I was looking for in a prospective owner.
 
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Rhone Group Lodge Takeover Bid Of Liverpool - Report
Liverpool have been subject to a takeover bid from the Rhone Group to dilute Tom Hicks and George Gillett's ownership at Anfield, according to the News of the World.
Mar 14, 2010 6:05:00 AM

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The New York-based private equity firm have reportedly set the ball rolling by lodging a £100 million bid in exchange for a 40 per cent stake in the club steeped in history.

This would see the controlling share pass on to billionaire financiers Robert Agostinelli and Steven Langman, as current owners Hicks and Gillett would be left with 30 per cent each.

It is believed that should the proposed deal reach fruition, the debt with the Royal Bank of Scotland would be repaid, and work would begin on the Reds' new stadium which is estimated to be worth about £350 million at Stanley Park.

Also, it is claimed that there will also be a substantial investment made in the transfer market during the summer, following the club's indifferent fortunes this term.


However, manager Rafael Benitez may not be the man to dabble in the funds, as he is reportedly pondering over quitting his job with one eye cast on Real Madrid after the Spanish capital club were ousted in the Champions League.

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Sounds good (if true of course)!
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39287.msg1069079#msg1069079 date=1268561801]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39287.msg1069078#msg1069078 date=1268561320]
It's not a change in ownership, it's the 100m they were looking for plus keeping control of the club between them.
[/quote]

It's the least plausible of all possible outcomes, is what it is. And it's still a new owner in the mix.
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How is it the least plausible ?

This solution has been blindingly obvious for the past 2 years
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39287.msg1069085#msg1069085 date=1268562966]
How is it the least plausible ?

This solution has been blindingly obvious for the past 2 years
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I don't think there is much of an incentive for owners to come in at this point, when the club's prospects are significantly altered by whether we finish 4th or not, to get a minority stake, alongside two owners with obvious trust issues, to embark on an expensive building project which pays off years down the line.
 
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=39287.msg1069087#msg1069087 date=1268563384]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39287.msg1069085#msg1069085 date=1268562966]
How is it the least plausible ?

This solution has been blindingly obvious for the past 2 years
[/quote]

I don't think there is much of an incentive for owners to come in at this point, when the club's prospects are significantly altered by whether we finish 4th or not, to get a minority stake, alongside two owners with obvious trust issues, to embark on an expensive building project which pays off years down the line.
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At the same time as saying there's no incentive, the end of your sentence is exactly why someone would have an incentive to get involved
 
Good stuff, though we've been here before.

The club needs a kick up the arse in the Summer, on and off the pitch.
 
it doesn't make sense. why invest 100m to buy into the club and then remove the debt (250m) and build a stadium (350m) what's in it for them if the yanks aren't matching that investment?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39287.msg1069103#msg1069103 date=1268564983]
it doesn't make sense. why invest 100m to buy into the club and then remove the debt (250m) and build a stadium (350m) what's in it for them if the yanks aren't matching that investment?
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Their 100m gets them a stake in the clu, that 100m will be used to get the debt down which will enable LFC to carry the debt associated with the stadium costs (in theory anyway)

They aren't putting in 100m and clearing debts and paying for a stadium.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39287.msg1069103#msg1069103 date=1268564983]
it doesn't make sense. why invest 100m to buy into the club and then remove the debt (250m) and build a stadium (350m) what's in it for them if the yanks aren't matching that investment?
[/quote]Quite. Noone is going to invest 700m for a 40% stake in a company that makes roughly 30m profit per year IF gross spend on players doesn't outweigh gross income AND the club can maintain top 4 every year.
Bascombe wants his head fucking kicking in really.
 
Excuse my French, but what do Sky Sports know.
Anywoo, the 100 mill is probably an attempt to tread the water. Just to see were G&H is, and what they would demand.

Hopefully something will happen, but I'd rather see a full change of ownership than a 40% stake bought by an investor.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39287.msg1069112#msg1069112 date=1268566096]
Excuse my French, but what do Sky Sports know.
Anywoo, the 100 mill is probably an attempt to tread the water. Just to see were G&H is, and what they would demand.

Hopefully something will happen, but I'd rather see a full change of ownership than a 40% stake bought by an investor.
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I want to see the debt reduced first and foremost before it cripples us (if it hasn't already).
 
I got strong feeling that REAL MADRID SURE will come to get him. They failed again this year in CL, so RAFA is their target.
 
Quite possibly, but the Juve thing hasn't gone away either and they only have an interim manager in charge for now.
 
If I read another person post something to the effect of "they are only in it to make money" I'll puke.

Of course they fucking are, they are investors.

Yea, we'd all like to be bought by someone who would see us completely as a status symbol/toy, and spew money into us expecting very little for a while, but it's hard to court someone with that sales pitch. And it's a little sad that that's what it has come to.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39287.msg1069115#msg1069115 date=1268566264]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39287.msg1069112#msg1069112 date=1268566096]
Excuse my French, but what do Sky Sports know.
Anywoo, the 100 mill is probably an attempt to tread the water. Just to see were G&H is, and what they would demand.

Hopefully something will happen, but I'd rather see a full change of ownership than a 40% stake bought by an investor.
[/quote]

I want to see the debt reduced first and foremost before it cripples us (if it hasn't already).
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That debt is a long way from crippling us - it'll cripple H&G well before us and, yes, they are separate things.

Hansern's comments are exactly right IMO; if the offer of 40% has been made then it is simply a first move to see what is on offer. It also suggests that H&G are not out of the ball park in terms of their personal valuations of the club. I would imagine they have always wanted a 30% share sold at 100m if possible with the tarket of keeping a minimum of 33% each themselves. It will be interesting to see, if the reports are true, if they'll allow the share to go to 35%.

Fark, the value to the investor is obviously in getting the stadium built. That kind of asset will strengthen the balance sheet immeasurably in the eyes of investors etc and the additional revenue projections build a "story" that plenty would be interested in.
 
Sam Wallace from The Independent...

As is the way at Anfield, you can expect that the Kop will tonight refrain from the more obvious taunts about their financially stricken visitors Portsmouth and, unless provoked, stop short of mocking them for their impending relegation.

Unless it is Everton or Manchester United, they do tend to have an unwritten rule about such things at Liverpool, one you would struggle to find at any other football club in the Premier League. Also lurking at the back of Liverpudlian minds tonight will be that little spark of fear that what has befallen the away supporters corralled in the Anfield Road end is just a version of what might await their own club.

The ghost of what was once Portsmouth FC is a warning to their famous hosts tonight of just how bad it can get when the wheels really come off: their crippling debts stand at around £80m. Liverpool have to pay £100m by July to avoid the prospect of falling into the ownership of the Royal Bank of Scotland, the key creditor to owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

The last month has been dominated by the crisis at Portsmouth, the £709m debts of the Glazer family at Manchester United and the posturing of the club's would-be saviours, the so-called "Red Knights". In the meantime, the clock has been ticking on the search for the elusive investors whom Hicks and Gillett can convince to pay £100m of the £237m RBS debt.

The latest contenders are two American private equity investors who are so high-profile that even the News of the World was unable to locate pictures of either of them. Robert F Agostinelli and M Steven Langman's Rhone Group have offices on Fifth Avenue, Rue Montalivet in Paris and Prince's Gate, SW7, but all anyone at Anfield cares is whether they have the money.

Otherwise, the Liverpool chief executive, Christian Purslow, can open his desk drawer, take out that list marked, "Thanks, but no thanks" and add Agostinelli and Langman to the bottom. Notable names so far include the Saudi Prince Faisal bin Fahd bin Abdullah al-Saud (just wanted to do a deal on football schools) and Kuwaiti billionaire Nasser al-Kharafi (vigorous denials issued).

But that will not change the fact that £100m has to be found by Hicks and Gillett by July or the prospect of a fire sale where the banks take charge and costs are slashed cannot be dismissed. There is the prospect that RBS, 84 per cent state-owned, may be persuaded to take pity on Liverpool but you have to ask whether football clubs, however popular, can really be treated as a special case any longer.

The Rhone Group is not a major player within the private equity industry and when applying the Keith Harris principle to it, it does make you wonder how serious Rhone is. The Harris principle – based on the publicity-shy stockbroker and self-styled Red Knight – dictates that the more heavily trailed a takeover/investment is, the less likely it is to happen.

It is worth pointing out that for all the Glazers' shortcomings, and the £23m they took in management fees from United, they had no problem completing the £500m bond issue in January. Liverpool are taking the equity financing route – offering investors 40 per cent of the club for £100m – but they must be concerned that the field looks so thin.

Inevitably, the spotlight falls upon Rafael Benitez and his players tonight against Portsmouth and then against Lille on Thursday as they struggle to prevent their season sliding into total irrelevance. Yesterday was one year to the day since they beat United 4-1 at Old Trafford, the result that did more than any other to suggest Benitez had turned the corner.

The misconception is that the biggest problem at Liverpool is what is taking place on the pitch. Of course, failure to qualify for the Champions League would be a crushing financial blow but, for all Rafael Benitez's bizarre transfer decisions, that would still be a corollary, rather than a prime cause of the debt sentence under which the club operate.

Benitez has done some pretty inexplicable things in his time – alienating the likes of Peter Crouch, Xabi Alonso and Robbie Keane, not to mention Alberto Aquilani – but it is ultimately impossible to run a club where the key principle is to pay off debt. United now exist in very much the same way but they started, from the Glazers' takeover in 2005, from a much more advantageous position than Liverpool.

Tonight, Liverpool fans will regard Portsmouth, with an administrator in charge and players personally meeting the staff costs, as the worst-case scenario. It would be hard to imagine English football's most successful club in a similar position but everything is relative. A Liverpool side without Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres, struggling in mid-table would be every bit as heartbreaking for their fans as a relegated Portsmouth are to theirs.

You would not bet against Benitez's team having enough in the tank to beat Portsmouth to go into fifth place, albeit having played two games more than Manchester City and three more than Aston Villa. That might not be the night's most important business. If the elusive Agostinelli and Langman are in the crowd, you can only hope that they like what they see.
 
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