Tbh.. He showed more leadership in that clip where he has defended Coutinho than Henderson has done since he was given the armband
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That’s true enough. But I have never rated him as a player and that’s the opinion I shared when he was first linked with us 18 months before he joined
He had a good game where he pressed and did a lot of work around the pitch. But if he's going to be an AM he needs to offer a lot more end product than he currently is. So i don't get why the current excitement. Is it because when you go from performances which are total turd to a good hard working performance it makes you look better?
How do you 'deserve' the captain's armband? Does Coutinho 'deserve' it?
But, anyway, it detracts from the point you were trying to make. How much worse do you reckon the Ox is than Henderson?
The Lucas progression
The curse of the 21 shirt
And I don't get these constant references by his critics to "a good game". That suggests he's had just the one, which is simply not true. He's had a series of them and they represent a definite improvement on his earliest performances. No-one's calling him a second Messi but there's clear reason for optimism here.
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Jürgen Klopp backs Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to be a fine finisher
• Liverpool manager works on improving midfielder’s scoring touch
• Klopp finds it ‘unbelievable’ Arsenal did not try to do the same
Liverpool’s Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is being coached by Jürgen Klopp to take greater responsibility in front of goal.
Jürgen Klopp has claimed Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain can realise his goalscoring potential at Liverpool and it is “unbelievable” the midfielder did not get that opportunity at Arsenal.
Oxlade-Chamberlain returns to the Emirates Stadium on Friday night for the first time since his deadline-day transfer to Anfield. The 24-year-old has started only five Premier League games for Liverpool, making a further 10 league appearances from the bench, with opportunities restricted by the team’s fine form and the lateness of his arrival from Arsenal.
The England international has impressed in recent outings, particularly the 4-0 win at Bournemouth on Sunday, and Klopp believes the summer signing is adapting to having greater responsibility in the final third. The Liverpool manager also insisted Oxlade-Chamberlain can improve in front of goal as those attributes were not developed by Arsenal, where he was often deployed at wing-back and scored only nine league goals in six seasons for Arsène Wenger’s team.
Klopp said: “I think the biggest improvement and potential for him is being involved in goalscoring situations. It is unbelievable but he was not asked for this too much in the past.
“If you watch Arsenal in the past their two decisive players were Özil and Sánchez. They are involved in a lot of moments and decisive passes. Özil or Sánchez, then Giroud when he is coming on the pitch. Then you [the rest] are not much involved. Here we put it on more shoulders, much more shoulders. If he is on the pitch he needs to be involved in these situations. At the moment it’s all good but I also see there is space for improvement.”
• Liverpool manager works on improving midfielder’s scoring touch
• Klopp finds it ‘unbelievable’ Arsenal did not try to do the same
Liverpool’s Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is being coached by Jürgen Klopp to take greater responsibility in front of goal.
Jürgen Klopp has claimed Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain can realise his goalscoring potential at Liverpool and it is “unbelievable” the midfielder did not get that opportunity at Arsenal.
Oxlade-Chamberlain returns to the Emirates Stadium on Friday night for the first time since his deadline-day transfer to Anfield. The 24-year-old has started only five Premier League games for Liverpool, making a further 10 league appearances from the bench, with opportunities restricted by the team’s fine form and the lateness of his arrival from Arsenal.
The England international has impressed in recent outings, particularly the 4-0 win at Bournemouth on Sunday, and Klopp believes the summer signing is adapting to having greater responsibility in the final third. The Liverpool manager also insisted Oxlade-Chamberlain can improve in front of goal as those attributes were not developed by Arsenal, where he was often deployed at wing-back and scored only nine league goals in six seasons for Arsène Wenger’s team.
Klopp said: “I think the biggest improvement and potential for him is being involved in goalscoring situations. It is unbelievable but he was not asked for this too much in the past.
“If you watch Arsenal in the past their two decisive players were Özil and Sánchez. They are involved in a lot of moments and decisive passes. Özil or Sánchez, then Giroud when he is coming on the pitch. Then you [the rest] are not much involved. Here we put it on more shoulders, much more shoulders. If he is on the pitch he needs to be involved in these situations. At the moment it’s all good but I also see there is space for improvement.”
It’s intersting that Klopp is turning a player who mostly played wing-back into a forward, while making an attacking midfielder like Wijnaldum into a CM/DM. Hope he has better insight than these players’ previous managers. With his record of working with players so far I’d back him to be right more often than not.
Regarding Gini - the one thing that is obvious about his speciality is that once he has the ball he can tick the game along, and is able to retain it in tight spaces. That is why I think Klopp sees him as the CM/DM combo.
Thinking about Klopp's record with changing players' positions – so far it's been mostly positive with some really inspired and unexpected success stories and just a couple of failures. Here's a list I could come up with, not sure if I forgot anyone.
Dortmund:
Pisczek – before: LW/striker; after: right-back. Result: roaring success, under Klopp's tutelage a previously little-known winger became one of the best attacking full-backs in Germany.
Gundogan – before: AM or attacking CM in an inverted triangle; after: CM/DLP in a "2." Result: success, he became one of world's most thought-after CMs at Dortmund.
Reus – before: 2nd striker or RW; after: LW. Result: success, although you have to say moving a quick right-footed forward with great dribbling and finishing instincts to the LW was a pretty obvious move.
Gotze – before: RW; after: CAM/secondary striker. Not really an example of seeing something other managers didn't, since he made his debut under Klopp and you could say it was a natural progression of a young player first given a chance on the wing and then gradually entrusted with more responsibility in the middle.
Mkhitaryan – before: attacking CM; after: secondary striker, then LW/RW. Result: relative failure, unlike Gotze whom he was meant to replace, Henrikh could not convert chances with the efficiency his position required. Moving to the wing was an admission of failure and matters didn't improve until Tuchel came in with new ideas.
Grosskreutz – before: RW; after: LM. Result: unexpected success, a right-footed player with limited talent, but lots of heart and fight found a perfect home on the left flank as the defensively-minded counterweight to the likes of Gotze on the right.
LFC:
Firmino – before: AM/winger; after: striker/"false 9." Result: success, Firmino who looked a misfit under Rodgers became an integral part of the team and is improving his individual stats with every season.
Lallana – before: AM/winger; after: attacking CM in an inverted triangle, "#8." Result: success, last season when the change was made was Adam's best so far for Liverpool.
Milner – before: winger/CM; after: left-back. Result: success, adapted to the position well and contributed in attack and defensively.
Lucas – before: DM; after: CB. Result – qualified success, Lucas surprised many by his assured performances at CB, although he did make a couple horrible errors.
Wijnaldum – before: winger/AM; after: CM. Result – too early to tell, so far consistent but unspectacular.
Henderson – before: box-to-box midfielder; after: deep-lying playmaker. Result – majority of fans would say it's a failure and would rather see Hendo play box-to-box with a different DPL behind him.
Oxlade – before: wing-back with occasional stints as winger or attacking CM; after: Klopp is trying to make him a "front 4" player with more scoring and creative responsibility. Result: way too early to tell.
Dortmund:
Pisczek – before: LW/striker; after: right-back. Result: roaring success, under Klopp's tutelage a previously little-known winger became one of the best attacking full-backs in Germany.
Gundogan – before: AM or attacking CM in an inverted triangle; after: CM/DLP in a "2." Result: success, he became one of world's most thought-after CMs at Dortmund.
Reus – before: 2nd striker or RW; after: LW. Result: success, although you have to say moving a quick right-footed forward with great dribbling and finishing instincts to the LW was a pretty obvious move.
Gotze – before: RW; after: CAM/secondary striker. Not really an example of seeing something other managers didn't, since he made his debut under Klopp and you could say it was a natural progression of a young player first given a chance on the wing and then gradually entrusted with more responsibility in the middle.
Mkhitaryan – before: attacking CM; after: secondary striker, then LW/RW. Result: relative failure, unlike Gotze whom he was meant to replace, Henrikh could not convert chances with the efficiency his position required. Moving to the wing was an admission of failure and matters didn't improve until Tuchel came in with new ideas.
Grosskreutz – before: RW; after: LM. Result: unexpected success, a right-footed player with limited talent, but lots of heart and fight found a perfect home on the left flank as the defensively-minded counterweight to the likes of Gotze on the right.
LFC:
Firmino – before: AM/winger; after: striker/"false 9." Result: success, Firmino who looked a misfit under Rodgers became an integral part of the team and is improving his individual stats with every season.
Lallana – before: AM/winger; after: attacking CM in an inverted triangle, "#8." Result: success, last season when the change was made was Adam's best so far for Liverpool.
Milner – before: winger/CM; after: left-back. Result: success, adapted to the position well and contributed in attack and defensively.
Lucas – before: DM; after: CB. Result – qualified success, Lucas surprised many by his assured performances at CB, although he did make a couple horrible errors.
Wijnaldum – before: winger/AM; after: CM. Result – too early to tell, so far consistent but unspectacular.
Henderson – before: box-to-box midfielder; after: deep-lying playmaker. Result – majority of fans would say it's a failure and would rather see Hendo play box-to-box with a different DPL behind him.
Oxlade – before: wing-back with occasional stints as winger or attacking CM; after: Klopp is trying to make him a "front 4" player with more scoring and creative responsibility. Result: way too early to tell.
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How many starts has he had and what is your definition of good?
Well i guess its all about opinions. His previous games IMO were ok, decent, improving but nothing special. The Bournemouth game was the first time i thought "impressive".
Klopp knows, he's doing his utmost there to appease the 'score against your old club' gods of the universe. It was a nice idea and might have worked, but for the retarded club sending ox off to some deprived local school only to get utterly murdered by every single kid. His confidence must have been decimated, all it will take now is a few chants from the cunt arsenal fans and that'll be the end for his liverpool career.
First question: more than he did when he first arrived, which I don't think is a coincidence.
Second question: both committed and effective.
There was a lot of annoyance and bitterness on the radio from arsenal fans earlier today about him. The presenters were giving ox and Klopp a lot of praise about getting him playing well in center mid and they really didn't like it.
One even referred to how he let the club as 'disgusting'
More than anything I think the problem is that they convinced themselves he wasn't a big loss that moved to a rival and that night not be the case.
Yet another reason to hope his success continues, not that any was needed.
One even referred to how he let the club as 'disgusting'
More than anything I think the problem is that they convinced themselves he wasn't a big loss that moved to a rival and that night not be the case.
Yet another reason to hope his success continues, not that any was needed.
5 league starts and he's had one standout game. The point made by the press is perfectly fine.
Alex O has been mostly excellent in the minutes he's played, so far, but he has an uphill battle to impress. Too many of my mates seem to be actively looking for negatives in his game as if to somehow justify their chagrin at Klopp's summer transfer activity.
Not talking about the press. I'm talking about the fans, here and elsewhere (apparently including you unfortunately), who made up their minds not to like him from the off and won't be shifted from that by anything as inconvenient as hard evidence. Esoteric puts it very well in the post just above this one.
The best one is Ben around 5m15s
All I know is anyone referring to this player as The Ox needs shooting in the fucking head.
Liked for referring to him as Alex O.
In coutinho's case there may not be any need, if his stupid jumper electrocuted him first.
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