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Well, that might explain why Klopp stopped picking him and he was one of the first players to leave this summer.

I wonder why we didn't sell him.

Edit:
Wasn't picked by Portugal for the U21 Euros this summer either due to a fall out with their manager.


I'm honestly getting "D-bag" vibes from him.
 
I mean it's not great to read as much as I don't think he meant it with any bad intentions but he could've chose his words a with a little more thought.

& I think the falling out with the Portugal U21 manager is fabricated because you know.....tabloids need a story to sell and what better than getting fans to jump on the back of a young kid, he rejected the call up because he was focused on propelling his club career.
 
I mean it's not great to read as much as I don't think he meant it with any bad intentions but he could've chose his words a with a little more thought.

& I think the falling out with the Portugal U21 manager is fabricated because you know.....tabloids need a story to sell and what better than getting fans to jump on the back of a young kid, he rejected the call up because he was focused on propelling his club career.

Would be really weird if a player moves to Klopp's home country and he doesn't give him any advice.

For instance:
Speaking to 90min.com, Elliott said Klopp believed his Rovers spell has the potential to set up his future.
Elliott said: “He said ‘Look, just go out and show everyone who you are. Go and get these minutes. All of us will support you 100%’.
"He said, ‘Just go and play your way. Go and express yourself.’ It made me feel a lot better. Not that I was worried or scared to go out on loan, but it was just sort of the thought of what was going to happen when I came back to Liverpool.
“He said, ‘This will set your future up. Come back, work extra hard and show me that you’re ready.’”
Elliott has now returned to the Premier League giants and is targeting earning a place in the first team following his success on loan at Rovers.
 
“I feel like why it didn’t work out at Liverpool was because of the position I was playing,” Carvalho said hinting at the fact that he may have been promised a different role than he ultimately played. “I was playing on the left, which isn’t really my position. I was told that I would play as a no.10, but we didn’t really play with a no.10 last year. When we play with a no.10, then I can get on my prominent side, and I am able to turn. That’s why I would say it didn’t work out, and whether I will be here or at Liverpool next year, we will have to see how it works out.”

source: https://www.transfermarkt.us/fabio-...ominik-szoboszlai-at-leipzig/view/news/425446
 
I can see why Klopp didn’t bother much with him.
Maybe a season in Germany will help improve his personality too.
 
“I feel like why it didn’t work out at Liverpool was because of the position I was playing,” Carvalho said hinting at the fact that he may have been promised a different role than he ultimately played. “I was playing on the left, which isn’t really my position. I was told that I would play as a no.10, but we didn’t really play with a no.10 last year. When we play with a no.10, then I can get on my prominent side, and I am able to turn. That’s why I would say it didn’t work out, and whether I will be here or at Liverpool next year, we will have to see how it works out.”

Didn't he play on the left for Fulham as well?

I don't know what was promised or how things were communicated but the idea that he'd come to Liverpool and get an extended run in the #10 position was always going to be pure fantasy.

Anyways, attitude or not, there didn't seem to be much of a plan for him last season and if there was one, it was basically ripped up and thrown in the trash due to the shit we found ourselves in, which wasn't his fault. I'd be pretty pissed and frustrated if I were him.
 
Didn't he play on the left for Fulham as well?

I don't know what was promised or how things were communicated but the idea that he'd come to Liverpool and get an extended run in the #10 position was always going to be pure fantasy.

Anyways, attitude or not, there didn't seem to be much of a plan for him last season and if there was one, it was basically ripped up and thrown in the trash due to the shit we found ourselves in, which wasn't his fault. I'd be pretty pissed and frustrated if I were him.

I also think that he wasn't a player Klopp actually wanted.
 
He just sounds like he’s laying the groundwork for an exit, negatives are probably being highlighted and exaggerated.
 
It just didn't make sense to me. We already had a similar player in Elliott.
Carvalho is small not that quick and like he himself stated is a no.10.
I was excited when we signed him, but I also had some doubts, especially about his size and lack of pace.
 


Well, that might explain why Klopp stopped picking him and he was one of the first players to leave this summer.

I wonder why we didn't sell him.

Edit:
Wasn't picked by Portugal for the U21 Euros this summer either due to a fall out with their manager.


I'm honestly getting "D-bag" vibes from him.


It's a quote, could easily be taken out of context. If Klopp didn't like he would have been sold
 
Is he even going to play much more at Leipzig though? I am not convinced he will be a starter.

Let's hope he does.
 
Is he even going to play much more at Leipzig though? I am not convinced he will be a starter.

Let's hope he does.

With the options they have.....he'll have to fight hard for his place, certainly not guaranteed to.
 
It just didn't make sense to me. We already had a similar player in Elliott.
Carvalho is small not that quick and like he himself stated is a no.10.
I was excited when we signed him, but I also had some doubts, especially about his size and lack of pace.

I think it was a combination of two things. An opportunistic buy like binomial pointed out where we can flip for a profit in a year or two. I also think in time as he bulks up and get better, he could be a Firmino replacement. Maybe we bought him hoping he would be closer to being a Firmino replacement than what he displayed.

If he is expecting to be a number 10 at any top club, then he is going to be disappointed. The expectations nowadays of a number 10 are immense from an attack and bringing others to the game point of view.
 


[article]In his press conference before that, as per RB Leipzig's official YouTube channel, Carvalho spoke about speaking to Klopp specifically when he made the decision to make the move to Leipzig.

"I went to [Klopp], I spoke to him, and together we came to the conclusion that it would be better off for me to go somewhere," he explained.


Later in the press conference, Carvalho was also asked to comment on his best stories about Klopp. "I've had a few," he smiled.

"I feel like when he's angry. Because it's a good angry, because he is trying to help you. So everything he says, personally for me I can handle it, because that's how I am, but yeah it's just constructive criticism, and he helps you with that, it's just good. The way he communicates and speaks to you, it just helps you as a player and as a person on and off the pitch."

In the past, Klopp has spoken in glowing terms about the youngster's quality. Before Liverpool's game with Nottingham Forest towards the end of the season, the club boss praised Carvalho's mentality and attitude.

"Fábio, for the situation in which he is now, in training on an absolute super level and not being involved, how he deals with it, I have to say, that’s kind of a role model," Klopp told reporters, as per Blood Red.

"Not that he is happy with the situation, but he never gives up. It’s unbelievable. I don’t think it was probably his best skill before he arrived here, because he was this super-super talent — which he still is — but the character he shows here is exceptional."[/article]
 


Well, that might explain why Klopp stopped picking him and he was one of the first players to leave this summer.

I wonder why we didn't sell him.

Edit:
Wasn't picked by Portugal for the U21 Euros this summer either due to a fall out with their manager.


I'm honestly getting "D-bag" vibes from him.

Or T-Bag?
 
I mean it's not great to read as much as I don't think he meant it with any bad intentions but he could've chose his words a with a little more thought.

& I think the falling out with the Portugal U21 manager is fabricated because you know.....tabloids need a story to sell and what better than getting fans to jump on the back of a young kid, he rejected the call up because he was focused on propelling his club career.
21 year olds are not known as being particularly good at ‘picking their words carefully’ !
 
21 year olds are not known as being particularly good at ‘picking their words carefully’ !
Fair enough, then just do a Michael Olise and say nothing at all besides "yeah", "nah", "cool", "it was nice", " I scored....then celebrated", "cheers"
 
o, what happened?

For one thing, there had been a concern about his defensive impact in a Klopp midfield, as that is not a key strength. But those with knowledge of the situation, speaking on condition of anonymity like all those consulted for this piece, point out that he was not an easy fit into the German’s system.
The only question mark surrounding his transfer was where exactly he was going to fit into the Liverpool setup. Carvalho was a hard-working yet creative and goalscoring No 10, a player who could play off the left but was at his best as an advanced midfielder. But Klopp had adopted a 4-3-3 system that did not include a player more at home in such an advanced midfield role. It is a position that has not been used since Philippe Coutinho’s departure to Barcelona more than five years ago.
Initially, there was an expectation that Klopp would incorporate more of that type of role into his tactical setup and that introduction would be to the benefit of Carvalho. However, with Liverpool stumbling out of the blocks and injuries cutting through their midfield, it became more difficult for Klopp to evolve his game plan, and that worked against Carvalho. This would play out over the remainder of the season.

Liverpool’s poor form and struggles in the league did not see a change in Carvalho’s minutes. He had wanted to play more and had honest conversations with Klopp, including approaching the manager to ask for more game time. A loan was discussed in January, but it was decided it would be better for Carvalho’s development to spend the rest of his debut year with Liverpool. He continued to train well and drew public praise from Klopp for that.
o, what happened?

For one thing, there had been a concern about his defensive impact in a Klopp midfield, as that is not a key strength. But those with knowledge of the situation, speaking on condition of anonymity like all those consulted for this piece, point out that he was not an easy fit into the German’s system.
The only question mark surrounding his transfer was where exactly he was going to fit into the Liverpool setup. Carvalho was a hard-working yet creative and goalscoring No 10, a player who could play off the left but was at his best as an advanced midfielder. But Klopp had adopted a 4-3-3 system that did not include a player more at home in such an advanced midfield role. It is a position that has not been used since Philippe Coutinho’s departure to Barcelona more than five years ago.
Initially, there was an expectation that Klopp would incorporate more of that type of role into his tactical setup and that introduction would be to the benefit of Carvalho. However, with Liverpool stumbling out of the blocks and injuries cutting through their midfield, it became more difficult for Klopp to evolve his game plan, and that worked against Carvalho. This would play out over the remainder of the season.

Liverpool’s poor form and struggles in the league did not see a change in Carvalho’s minutes. He had wanted to play more and had honest conversations with Klopp, including approaching the manager to ask for more game time. A loan was discussed in January, but it was decided it would be better for Carvalho’s development to spend the rest of his debut year with Liverpool. He continued to train well and drew public praise from Klopp for that.
 
Klopp himself publicly stated the player was “not happy”. In November, Carvalho declined a Portugal Under-21 call-up, with the Portuguese Football Association releasing a statement that he had informed them “through some SMS messages” that he did not want to continue representing them. From the outside, it seemed like an avoidable incident. Off the field, Carvalho has had different agents over his career and, when joining Liverpool, he was represented by members of his family. Since January, he has switched back to traditional representation, from Concilium Sport.

That under-21s incident has not signalled the end of his international ambitions with Portugal, nor necessarily reopened the door with England, who he represented at under-16, under-17 and under-18 levels. Carvalho has spoken to Portugal senior team manager Roberto Martinez and hopes, through his performances and increased game time in the season ahead, that he can force his way into the squad for the European Championship next summer — which is being hosted by Germany.
 
Sounds like he was just a bit of a victim of circumstance.

I am sure Klopp did want to sign up, and had plans for him, although maybe it was also a case of going for him a little early to stop other clubs.

You can see why Carvalho might be feeling a little bitter now. He probably thought he had made it after getting games and a few goals early on.
 
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