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The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

http://www.guillembalague.com/rumores_desp.php?id=204&titulo=On Xabi Alonso
On Xabi Alonso

Following an article I published on the site yesterday, related to Florentino Perez` summer transfer plans at Real Madrid, I sense there are a few areas that may need clarifying when it comes to Xabi Alonso`s situation at Liverpool...

The future of Xabi Alonso is all over the back pages again today and this story seems to be changing by the day - it is no surprise: with the new president of Real Madrid aiming to get his summer spending spree underway as quickly as possible and with Xabi Alonso high on his list of priorities that the situation is so fluid.

I have been under the impression that, if a deal is struck, then things will move very quickly. After all, that would suit all parties concerned: Liverpool needs the money early to allow them to go on and sign other players; Xabi will be looking for a new challenge after 5 years at the club and will have his situation sorted early on in the summer; Real will get the midfielder they want and can move on to other targets. And now that it is out in the open that Gareth Barry is in talks with Manchester City, it made sense that Liverpool would want to know where they stand as quickly as possible to avoid missing out on someone who we know was a target.


However, the situation is becoming complicated – which is why I stressed yesterday that there is much work to be done and things will be resolved swiftly only if and when a deal is agreed.

Partly because of how unpopular the transfer would be in Liverpool, it is all getting very political. I suspect that before Liverpool will let Xabi go, the club wants him to come out and publicly express a desire to move.

You`ve all been emailing me telling me that you don`t want Xabi to leave and asking why would Rafa want to sell him – but it`s a very different story if Xabi says he wants to go isn`t it - and even the most ardent Liverpool fan might accept that, after 5 years excellent service to the club and life in England - Xabi could be tempted by an opportunity to return home and play for the biggest club in his native country. Xabi is certainly not being driven out of the club as some emails and on site comments seem to suggest.

There is a second condition for the transfer to take place. Real Madrid will have to place a huge €40 - €50 million offer on the table in a very high profile way: but that`s highly unlikely and we are far more likely to see a game of cat and mouse as Real Madrid try and negotiate the best possible deal for themselves; it has been reported that the Madrid offer could be a player plus cash deal; but no contact has taken place and Liverpool don`t want either of the players mentioned, Negredo or Heinze, at this stage.

So perhaps, if the parties involved had played this transfer in a different way, it may have taken place already. But now nobody can predict what might happen
I believe that if Xabi Alonso is sold it will be for cash: as Rafa Benitez will want as much money as possible to bolster his transfer kitty, enabling him to sign the players that he has identified as a priority – and not just those who are offered on a plate.

Which bring us onto another topic that we have been getting lots if emails about: criticisms of Rafa`s potential targets should Alonso be sold. I will say this – have faith in the manager and trust his judgment. Remember the criticism when Liverpool signed the unknown Skrtel? And how many people complained that Benitez didn`t need Agger because he already had Hyppia…

I think we just need to look at Rafa`s reaction to questions about Xabi`s future to know that, if Real Madrid want to sign Alonso, it is going to take an awful lot of money and a great deal of persuasion – and a plea from the player as well. Madrid will be working hard from now on to try and get things moving quickly – which may still happen – but we may find that no agreement is reached: in which case, Xabi stays. And if he does, well look at what happened with Gerrard a couple of years ago: it looked as if he might be going…and look at him now…


Me thinks Ballague is covering all bases now ;D

Xabi goes: Ballague " I knew it all along"
Xabi stays: Ballague " I knew it all along"
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

That Ballague article is insinuating that Rafa doesn't want to look the cunt in all of this. So is Rafa playing down interest and bigging up his need for Xabi to stay because he genuinely wants him to? Or is it a case of forcing Xabi's hand?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg880894#msg880894 date=1243978878]
[quote author=Gareth link=topic=33578.msg880879#msg880879 date=1243977687]
Balague on SSN just said that Benitez will sell Alonso on two conditons:

Alonso asks for a transfer;
Real Madrid bid €50M.
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Even I'd sell him for that
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If they offer us 50 million, it would be hard to say 'no'.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

If true, it's a relief we're not asking for Heize and Negredo, and that we're not prepared to be raped by Madrid again.

I agree with Benitez's stance on this and we're in strong position to hold out for a good fee. 

Hopefully he wants to stay though.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Would Negredo be the worst signing in the world if we have to do a deal with Madrid? Particularly if we get him and wads of dosh?

19 goals in 28 league starts for Almeria suggests this is a talented boy. I'm noit saying I want Xabi gone, I'm just saying that we could do worse than getting this lad with enough change to buy a quality CM if push does indeed come to shove.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

I don't think now is the time to be letting Alonso go, it is going to be a very difficult market, and unless we are sure of landing someone better, and that is unlikely, he has to stay

regards
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

I agree Vlad, but we mightn't have a choice. So we should consider how to make the most out of a bad situation.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Yes. If Alonso does ask to go, Rafa should just put his fingers in his ears and go 'bleugh bleugh bleugh, not listening!' Seriously!
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg881174#msg881174 date=1244021497]
Yes. If Alonso does ask to go, Rafa should just put his fingers in his ears and go 'bleugh bleugh bleugh, not listening!' Seriously!
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That's what Xabi done to him last year 🙂

I don't think Alonso will ask to leave. He has said on more than one occasion he wants to stay, he also had his agent speak to Rafa to confirm this. That's good enough for me.

However, like I've said before on the thread, if Xabi has even the slightest sniff that Rafa is *considering* selling him, he'll leave. He won't stay if he doesn't think Rafa wants him 100%.

By all accounts the only reason a transfer is in Alonso's mind is because Rafa made it so, he sat tight last summer, but he won't do it again, because unlike last year, this year Alonso has lots of options, and that doesn't include staying at a club that doesn't want him. I can understand that.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

If Alonso stays, I hope he doesn't fuck it all up by reverting to the Alonso of 2-3 seasons ago.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg881183#msg881183 date=1244022035]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg881174#msg881174 date=1244021497]
Yes. If Alonso does ask to go, Rafa should just put his fingers in his ears and go 'bleugh bleugh bleugh, not listening!' Seriously!
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That's what Xabi done to him last year 🙂

I don't think Alonso will ask to leave. He has said on more than one occasion he wants to stay, he also had his agent speak to Rafa to confirm this. That's good enough for me.

However, like I've said before on the thread, if Xabi has even the slightest sniff that Rafa is *considering* selling him, he'll leave. He won't stay if he doesn't think Rafa wants him 100%.

By all accounts the only reason a transfer is in Alonso's mind is because Rafa made it so, he sat tight last summer, but he won't do it again, because unlike last year, this year Alonso has lots of options, and that doesn't include staying at a club that doesn't want him. I can understand that.
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Well by all accounts Rafa will only sell if Alonso requests a transfer, so all may be well. I really hope that we can show some class if Perez starts wafting wads of cash in our faces.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg881191#msg881191 date=1244022380]
Me too Doc, me too.
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Would you be in favour or selling Xabi for £30m (€35m)?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=33578.msg881187#msg881187 date=1244022273]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg881183#msg881183 date=1244022035]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg881174#msg881174 date=1244021497]
Yes. If Alonso does ask to go, Rafa should just put his fingers in his ears and go 'bleugh bleugh bleugh, not listening!' Seriously!
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That's what Xabi done to him last year 🙂

I don't think Alonso will ask to leave. He has said on more than one occasion he wants to stay, he also had his agent speak to Rafa to confirm this. That's good enough for me.

However, like I've said before on the thread, if Xabi has even the slightest sniff that Rafa is *considering* selling him, he'll leave. He won't stay if he doesn't think Rafa wants him 100%.

By all accounts the only reason a transfer is in Alonso's mind is because Rafa made it so, he sat tight last summer, but he won't do it again, because unlike last year, this year Alonso has lots of options, and that doesn't include staying at a club that doesn't want him. I can understand that.
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Well by all accounts Rafa will only sell if Alonso requests a transfer, so all may be well. I really hope that we can show some class if Perez starts wafting wads of cash in our faces.
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Dunno about that.

Alonso will be 28 two months into next season, if Madrid offer absurd money we should take a look at it.

Wenger sold Vieira and Overmars, Ferguson sold Stam and Ince against the fans wishes, but ultimately at the right time. Sense over sentimentality.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Wenger sold Vieira and Overmars, Ferguson sold Stam and Ince against the fans wishes, but ultimately at the right time. Sense over sentimentality.

Not sure about Vieira at all. They haven't won anything since he left.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Pesam link=topic=33578.msg881196#msg881196 date=1244022679]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg881191#msg881191 date=1244022380]
Me too Doc, me too.
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Would you be in favour or selling Xabi for £30m (€35m)?
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I would understand selling him for that sort of fee from a business perspective, but as a fan, I don't. Because as far as I'm concerned Alonso is key to how we play, the way he dictates and steadies our play, the way he distributes the ball and brings others in to the game. I don't believe he's easily replaceable, as there area very few players in the world that are of that mould. And few better suited to us than Alonso.

As a fan, you want your club to have money to buy the players you need. But what good is the money if you can't get the player you need?

In this case the player we need is Alonso. What good is the money if it can't buy an adequate replacement for him?

Which I don't believe it will find someone of his quality. Either way, it's still a risk, or at the cost of time, to allow a player to settle.

I've said more than once, if we're to be in with a chance of the league next season, we cannot mess with the spine of the team. That's the bit we've got right, and the bit we need to keep. I believe that includes Torres, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, Skrtle/Agger, Carrager and Reina. Losing any of them would be a huge mistake.

What good is £30million if it's the difference between is winning the league and not?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881205#msg881205 date=1244023101]
Wenger sold Vieira and Overmars, Ferguson sold Stam and Ince against the fans wishes, but ultimately at the right time. Sense over sentimentality.

Not sure about Vieira at all. They haven't won anything since he left.
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His performances for Iner Milan have shown Wenger made the correct decision.

I agree that they've lacked a midfield presence, but even if they'd kept him they'd still have struggled. Their squad is unbalanced and not deep enough.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

His performances for Iner Milan have shown Wenger made the correct decision.

I agree that they've lacked a midfield presence, but even if they'd kept him they'd still have struggled. Their squad is unbalanced and not deep enough.

Yeah, since he left Arsenal he's only won 4 Serie A titles
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881217#msg881217 date=1244023643]
His performances for Iner Milan have shown Wenger made the correct decision.

I agree that they've lacked a midfield presence, but even if they'd kept him they'd still have struggled. Their squad is unbalanced and not deep enough.

Yeah, since he left Arsenal he's only won 4 Serie A titles
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Yes, cos I typed "Inter's performances" didn't I?

Dumb cunt.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881217#msg881217 date=1244023643]
His performances for Iner Milan have shown Wenger made the correct decision.

I agree that they've lacked a midfield presence, but even if they'd kept him they'd still have struggled. Their squad is unbalanced and not deep enough.

Yeah, since he left Arsenal he's only won 4 Serie A titles
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All because of his stellar performances too!

If Xabi leaves, we should sign Muntari - he just won the Serie A too.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33578.msg881225#msg881225 date=1244023855]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881217#msg881217 date=1244023643]
His performances for Iner Milan have shown Wenger made the correct decision.

I agree that they've lacked a midfield presence, but even if they'd kept him they'd still have struggled. Their squad is unbalanced and not deep enough.

Yeah, since he left Arsenal he's only won 4 Serie A titles
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All because of his stellar performances too!

If Xabi leaves, we should sign Muntari - he just won the Serie A too.
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You're forgetting Brendan bases all his views on European-based players on what happens in summer tournaments.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33578.msg881223#msg881223 date=1244023776]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881217#msg881217 date=1244023643]
His performances for Iner Milan have shown Wenger made the correct decision.

I agree that they've lacked a midfield presence, but even if they'd kept him they'd still have struggled. Their squad is unbalanced and not deep enough.

Yeah, since he left Arsenal he's only won 4 Serie A titles
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Yes, cos I typed "Inter's performances" didn't I?

Dumb cunt.
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What?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881229#msg881229 date=1244024020]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33578.msg881223#msg881223 date=1244023776]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881217#msg881217 date=1244023643]
His performances for Iner Milan have shown Wenger made the correct decision.

I agree that they've lacked a midfield presence, but even if they'd kept him they'd still have struggled. Their squad is unbalanced and not deep enough.

Yeah, since he left Arsenal he's only won 4 Serie A titles
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Yes, cos I typed "Inter's performances" didn't I?

Dumb cunt.
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What?
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He's done two bits of fuck all since he joined them, as exemplified by a succession of managers leaving him on the bench.

Still, you wouldn't know that as Wikipedia probably didn't have it spelled out for you.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

He's done two bits of fuck all since he joined them, as exemplified by a succession of managers leaving him on the bench.

Still, you wouldn't know that as Wikipedia probably didn't have it spelled out for you.

So since he left Arsenal, they've won nothing, and the clubs he's subsequently joined have won the title in every season he's been there.

Maybe we should buy him as a mascot.

I won't even go into Stam, who left United too early, which Ferguson subsequently admitted:

At the time he had just come back from an achilles injury and we thought he had just lost a little bit. We got the offer from Lazio, £16.5m for a centre-back who was 29. It was an offer I couldn't refuse. But in playing terms it was a mistake.

Really, you shouldn't get the arse every time I make you look a bit of a cunt. Surely you're used to it by now?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Is it true that Vieira has only played 55 times for Inter since joining them in 2006?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33578.msg881238#msg881238 date=1244024757]
Is it true that Vieira has only played 55 times for Inter since 2006?
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Probably. He's shit.

I just like arguing with Ryan.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Was it Vieira that the comedy genius Tony Adams claimed would have a short career because he had legs of different lengths or something?

He does have a point in that Vieira runs a bit funny
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33578.msg881235#msg881235 date=1244024525]
He's done two bits of fuck all since he joined them, as exemplified by a succession of managers leaving him on the bench.

Still, you wouldn't know that as Wikipedia probably didn't have it spelled out for you.

So since he left Arsenal, they've won nothing, and the clubs he's subsequently joined have won the title in every season he's been there.

Maybe we should buy him as a mascot.

I won't even go into Stam, who left United too early, which Ferguson subsequently admitted:

At the time he had just come back from an achilles injury and we thought he had just lost a little bit. We got the offer from Lazio, £16.5m for a centre-back who was 29. It was an offer I couldn't refuse. But in playing terms it was a mistake.

Really, you shouldn't get the arse every time I make you look a bit of a cunt. Surely you're used to it by now?

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Can you form an opinion without the aid of wikipedia?

It's not something to be ashamed of Bren. You initiated a thread comparing Silva to Garcia with the fact that they're small and Spanish being your evidence. Whenever a succession of people (who've actually watched football outside of England) explained to you - in detail - that you hadn't a fucking clue, you were nowhere to be seen. No riposte, no counter argument, no analysis.

Have you any clue about what Vieira's brought to Inter apart from what a search engine tells you?

Aside from hysterical proclamations and woefully inept comparisons and analogies, you haven't to much to offer from a football perspective. That's fine, some people add stuff in other areas. The second someone wants to kow whether that big fucking gorilla did actually make people buy more dairy milk, we'll leave the stage free fror you so you can jump in with the expert opinion, alright?
 
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