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The Future under NESV

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Poor the Ross.

One of the last vocal fans of H&G, now forced to hang his hat on this latest US knight in shining armour, 'making the tough decisions' like not giving Reina a new contract or something

Good job carra engineered his extension before this latest set of experts arrived.
 
My recollection is that Rosco was one of the first and the few warning against the ownership of Hicks and Gillett.
But I am sure he can tell you that himself
 
He wasn't a vocal fan of H&G. He claimed they we're one of a number of problems. I don't think he actually ever expressed support for them.
 
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He wasn't a vocal fan of H&G. He claimed they we're one of a number of problems. I don't think he actually ever expressed support for them.
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By not being vocal he supported them

Lynch him!
 
Ross don't you complain about the stats of assists? and uses the Hamman tap to Riise as an example of how stats are used wrongly?

I have advocated similar methods for a while and though I do not know the way MBL and Red Sox currently use stats and work etc I can imagine the kind of things they use. I can see quite easily how the science behind all this works and though for some it comes down to this romantacised vision that the game is all about the gaffer swearing and chucking around cups of tea in the changing room at half time and it somehow urges the players to play well etc it has moved on from that so much.

We have to look at how far players are running, how often they pass the ball, the accuracy, the success rating of their passes, etc etc (my university lecturers were instrumental in helping Pompey achieve promotion to the prem with a revamp of their fitness training, their nutrition/recovery and the use of stats such as when they let goals in etc).

Alongside this there is the medicine and nutrition and fitness side of things that has developed the game loads, and as far as I am aware football still lags behind rugby in that sense of recovery and nutrition. I know many will say its stupid but the Clive Woodward England team was a great example of what Ross is talking about, a general manager, a few coaches making a really good team of professionals to advise those on the pitch. I was really excited at the the thought of Clive Woodward being involved in football in some way as he is/was a visionary who could take aspects of the game forward.

My concern with NESV and the method Ross spoke about is that in baseball they knew they people that were around to pick the right people for the right roles at Red Sox, I don't know if they have that much of an understanding of football to pick the right professionals at the right time to come to LFC and take the club forward.
 
I agree with Ross that they'll try to revolutionize the club and introduce new ideas. I also think it will be very exciting. Probably won't work but I'm hopeful.
 
Nice post Asim. I think it's vital that quantitative indicators never replace common sense and the type of qualitative assessment that is, unavoidably, based on subjective analysis and judgment. In other words, a good manager.
 
Brendan, to be fair to Rosco, he never actually claimed to be a fan of the owners he was just condescending in his attacks, to the point of WUM, on those who pointed out that they were complete bad'uns.

Semantics I'm sure.

The true irony of Rosco is he points out other peoples overstatements while utterly failing to see his own, at least with Brendan there is no pretence of his opinion being anything other than just that.

As for the possible influx of new thinkers and statisticians, if it makes us a better team I'm all for it although skeptical, mainly because I'm absolutely certain that most of the premier league clubs are already using in depth analysis to enhance performance. I am also not very keen on the idea that analysts from a completely different sport and sporting culture will necessarily improve on what has already been tried and tested in the game of football.

In the short term I hope NESV can buy in some much needed reinforcements and get us a new stadium, I'm also hoping that the mediocre players we do undoubtedly have are going to be encouraged by the new regimes arrival into not playing even worse than they really are. I'm fucking delighted GnH are gone. Delighted.
 
No, Ross thinks that everyone in football just fucking wings it, and it requires some cunt with a spreadsheet to fix *everything*

Pretty laughable
 
I'm fairly sure our scouting department needs massive revamping. If they aren't winging it, then they should try that, it might help.

I think that's one arena where fresh thought might be of benefit, but there's a reason why statistical analysis benefited baseball so much, and it's because it's a slow, boring sport of independent moments that you'd have to pay me money to watch. Football isn't... well, it isn't supposed to be. Maybe our central midfield should try baseball.
 
Ya, this latest broadside on Rosco seems completely unwarranted .

I agree with Rosco's opinion on H&G. They were a big ticking timebomb off the field, but on the field i'm not sure they have done that much wrong.

I'm not sure what to make off this "using statistics" approach that NESV are alleged to be bringing n though. I'm not even sure if it is an entirely new thing. Most teams already use Statistics and performance indices and bench mark significantly.
 
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I agree with Rosco's opinion on H&G. They were a big ticking timebomb off the field, but on the field i'm not sure they have done that much wrong.
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Could you explain how owners have an impact on the field, without it being directly related to their performance off the field, which was clearly disastrous over the last few years.
 
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42275.msg1198340#msg1198340 date=1287250205]
I agree with Rosco's opinion on H&G. They were a big ticking timebomb off the field, but on the field i'm not sure they have done that much wrong.
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Could you explain how owners have an impact on the field, without it being directly related to their performance off the field, which was clearly disastrous over the last few years.
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Are you saying the debt or the lack of a new stadium was in anyway responsible for our players performing like a bunch of shitbags, who played like they were allergic to the round object that is called a football?

Last season it was pretty much the same team that finished 2nd a year before that, except for one key player. Who was also replaced with another 20 million pound player.
 
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No, Ross thinks that everyone in football just fucking wings it, and it requires some cunt with a spreadsheet to fix *everything*

Pretty laughable
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I don't think they wing it, but it could probably be argued they do given how little effect the amount a team spends on transfers has on it's success.

There's a wealth of information that could be gathered which could help and I think it would be a good idea to collect it, analyse it and find out what has relevance. Football is miles behind most sports.
 
That's one of the reasons I would be happy with a young manager, I feel like they are more likely to adopt some innovative and creative ideas. Farky I'm not saying it doesn't happen already but I do think more can and should happen. Also I do think that some of the stats and ideas are transferable even though they are massively different sports.

I'm excited and hopeful
 
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=42275.msg1198340#msg1198340 date=1287250205]
I agree with Rosco's opinion on H&G. They were a big ticking timebomb off the field, but on the field i'm not sure they have done that much wrong.
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Could you explain how owners have an impact on the field, without it being directly related to their performance off the field, which was clearly disastrous over the last few years.
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Are you saying the debt or the lack of a new stadium was in anyway responsible for our players performing like a bunch of shitbags, who played like they were allergic to the round object that is called a football?

Last season it was pretty much the same team that finished 2nd a year before that, except for one key player. Who was also replaced with another 20 million pound player.
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No I'm not saying that, I'm wondering what the fuck owners do "on the field", where you said "they didn't do much wrong".
 
er??...like making funds available to buy players who play "on the field"?

I'm not sure what you are trying to argue with me on...

Are you saying owners don't have anything to do "on the field"?

or are we arguing on what is the definition of "on the field" and "off the field"? Any way i didn't think it was a big enough point to be spending too much time arguing on the internet...

The gist of what i was trying to say was that our ownership situation has not been the only problem we have had over the last two years. Chillax.
 
All we need to do is read this.

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No i didn't. Szymanksi is a Professor in Sports Economics. He didn't work with the Red Sox.
 
Fucking hell, ross is getting the blame for everything

You started bolshevism you bitch
 
Wasn't rafa that very stat man.

Football is nothing like fucking baseball.

It should share nothing with it in terms of tactics and application of statistics
 
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No i didn't. Szymanksi is a Professor in Sports Economics. He didn't work with the Red Sox.
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I think it was you who mentioned him in a very recent post and it's more than likely that post JJ is half remembering.
 
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TBF Ross your argument is very similar to that of Sam allardyce. And he's wrong, obv.
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He does hate perception...
 
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TBF Ross your argument is very similar to that of Sam allardyce. And he's wrong, obv.
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damn, you beat me to it you bitch!
 
Sam Allardyce is a very good and effective manager, despite being a cunt. Of course, his reliance on stats is one of the main causes of his particular style of footbal.
 
Stop defending Rosco ffs! He is more than capable of handling himself Brendan over egged his dig at him mind you but both sides are right to an extent... Some bookworm might well in fact know fuck all ... It's the nature of bookworms... I do not believe that football is in some way backward compared to other sports, tbh you can make the most complicated argument out of the simplest of things but it still doesn't change the fundamental simplicity. Football is a game and not a science and as for it being a financial spreadsheet... Well fuck that ... I'm pretty sure that for all the millions the top players earn they still need to want to win to make their fellow human beings in the stands happy. but then i'm a big fan of simplicity, it has far more honesty and beauty to it.

Brendan is right , you would have to be a lunatic to swap a manager like Ferguson for the conjecturenof a boffin with a calculator. But then some lunatics are right also, I remember one saying that RBS should grow some balls and do GnH up like a kipper
 
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